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    Default Has the One X already lost steam?

    I've already plopped down my money for a One X and will be using it for the long haul, but am kind of saddened by the lack of activity on this forum, xda, and various other places. Just looking at the thread movements, the fact that days old threads are still on the front page and near the top on most forums and few new posts makes me think that since the initial launch, not alot of people are interested or buying this phone. A less popular phone will have trouble getting issues ironed out, dev support, accessories, etc. I have no hard numbers but it's just a feeling of listlessness and malaise, compared to say, when the HTC Sensation came out. This is suppose to be a flagship phone but am not seeing the numbers and people. If you read financial news now and again, HTC's sales and revenue have been on the decline, even after the HOX release, and much lower than they were a year ago. Then there's rumors of a quad-core krait 1080p HTC phone being tested for holiday release in a few months and some rather glaring software issues with the HOX have yet to be fixed over two months after the US release makes me wonder about future phone support. It will probably get Jelly Bean like other non-flagship HTC phones, but beyond that, the lack of support and popularity on various other fronts is concerning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katamari201 View Post
    I've already plopped down my money for a One X and will be using it for the long haul, but am kind of saddened by the lack of activity on this forum, xda, and various other places. Just looking at the thread movements, the fact that days old threads are still on the front page and near the top on most forums and few new posts makes me think that since the initial launch, not alot of people are interested or buying this phone. A less popular phone will have trouble getting issues ironed out, dev support, accessories, etc. I have no hard numbers but it's just a feeling of listlessness and malaise, compared to say, when the HTC Sensation came out. This is suppose to be a flagship phone but am not seeing the numbers and people. If you read financial news now and again, HTC's sales and revenue have been on the decline, even after the HOX release, and much lower than they were a year ago. Then there's rumors of a quad-core krait 1080p HTC phone being tested for holiday release in a few months and some rather glaring software issues with the HOX have yet to be fixed over two months after the US release makes me wonder about future phone support. It will probably get Jelly Bean like other non-flagship HTC phones, but beyond that, the lack of support and popularity on various other fronts is concerning.
    this phone hasnt lost steam, or the fact it kicks ash! just enjoy it for what it is,and find other things to be doubtfull about...like that other fella with the g/f issues, find him a date lol
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    Default Re: Has the One X already lost steam?

    If it lost any steam it's likely due to the injunction. That probably had a pretty substantial impact on marketing. If you can't get the word out about your phone then how will people know about it? And you're not going to advertise a phone that isn't available, right?

    As for the 1080p phone rumor, I wouldn't put much salt in it. While it's probably technically possible, it would be really expensive.

    A more realistic possibility would be an "upgraded" One X-style phone with more RAM and the Quad-core chip, but even before then we'll see the dual-core Snapdragon S4 Pro chip, with the faster GPU. Whether or not they'll be an HTC based on that chip, though, remains to be seen.

    I expect the quad-core chip to show up in tablets first, and probably Windows tablets.
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    Well, I'm sorry I can't agree with the "lack of support" statement. I agree with the thread movements being slow but there are quite a few that I keep an eye on and as far as a lot of mods go they work like they should, they don't need anymore discussion and thank God that there are not a lot of silly a$$ "will this work on the One X blah, blah, blah" questions that have already been answered! "Rather glaring software issues with the HOX have yet to be fixed over two months after the US release," what "glaring software issues" are you talking about? WiFi is for the most part an international version problem, data dropping was a very intermittent problem for me and after the 1.85 update I don't see it anymore unless it is a signal strength issue. I'm sure you know that within 2 months of launch AT&T had updated the software to 1.85, right? Heck, I was able to install it before the official release! And I do know that there is version 2.09 in development by AT&T but if/when it gets released is anybody's guess. Future phone support I am not worried about. Any other issues that I can think of are related to patent lawsuits. Those problems are not going to change or go away on stock phones but if you are rooted all the issues (multi-tasking, links, tethering) have been resolved within 2 months of release. Hell, that's awesome! Even without the kernel source being released we have access to and can flash different roms, kernels (even one overclocked) and radios. Dev support is not a problem in my opinion. The threads for the One X aren't huge like some other phones but they are also divided up between the US and international versions. I got my phone May 11th and as soon as it came out of the box it got rooted, unlocked the bootloader and was installing mods. That's less than a week after it was released! I like Sense so having a dozen different roms to chose from is not a problem for me. And because of Sense HTC will never be as popular as something like the SIII. Just the way it is.
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    Default Re: Has the One X already lost steam?

    The injunction is over.

    Steam is lost due to the next phone being released by someone else, and AC as well as all the other sites going GAGA over what ever is next. (And the Samsung flagship is a very good phone).

    Steam is also lost because of the horrible impact AT&T had on this phone releasing it with only 16gig, and naming it the same as the international version. I bet HTC learns a lesson here and never allows a carrier to rename the phone again.

    The international HOX is a much better phone, less battery demanding radios, all the speed you really need on a phone, more storage, etc, etc, etc.

    But with short memory, a non replaceable battery and no MicroSD the LTE HOX model that AT&T is releasing can't compete feature for feature. That is how people in this forum shop.

    It remains to be seen if the HOX can compete with the Samsung at in-store purchases by less knowledgeable phone buyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wantabe View Post
    Well, I'm sorry I can't agree with the "lack of support" statement. I agree with the thread movements being slow but there are quite a few that I keep an eye on and as far as a lot of mods go they work like they should, they don't need anymore discussion and thank God that there are not a lot of silly a$$ "will this work on the One X blah, blah, blah" questions that have already been answered! "Rather glaring software issues with the HOX have yet to be fixed over two months after the US release," what "glaring software issues" are you talking about? WiFi is for the most part an international version problem, data dropping was a very intermittent problem for me and after the 1.85 update I don't see it anymore unless it is a signal strength issue. I'm sure you know that within 2 months of launch AT&T had updated the software to 1.85, right? Heck, I was able to install it before the official release! And I do know that there is version 2.09 in development by AT&T but if/when it gets released is anybody's guess. Future phone support I am not worried about. Any other issues that I can think of are related to patent lawsuits. Those problems are not going to change or go away on stock phones but if you are rooted all the issues (multi-tasking, links, tethering) have been resolved within 2 months of release. Hell, that's awesome! Even without the kernel source being released we have access to and can flash different roms, kernels (even one overclocked) and radios. Dev support is not a problem in my opinion. The threads for the One X aren't huge like some other phones but they are also divided up between the US and international versions. I got my phone May 11th and as soon as it came out of the box it got rooted, unlocked the bootloader and was installing mods. That's less than a week after it was released! I like Sense so having a dozen different roms to chose from is not a problem for me. And because of Sense HTC will never be as popular as something like the SIII. Just the way it is.
    Your argument went south when you said [HL]"but if you are rooted"[/HL].

    99.44% of people aren't rooted, and never will be.
    Even the vast majority of AC readers aren't rooted.
    If a phone has to be rooted in order to compete it will never be top dog.

    That said, I love my international HOX which is still unrooted.
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    Your argument went south when you said "but if you are rooted".

    I don't think so. The original op mentioned "glaring software issues" and "lack of support" two months after the US release. What issues? There are no widespread glaring issues with the unrooted AT&T One X! If so what are they? We are not talking about design features built into the phone by the manufacturer that we all knew about before purchasing, are we? Battery, memory, multi-tasking, links, whatever. I knew about all this before I bought the phone. And multi-tasking does work, just not to the degree some are used to. "Lack of support?" From whom? I see plenty of dev support out there as stated in my previous post. AT&T has already released an update and I would imagine there is at least one in the works right now. Unless HTC builds the same phone for numerous carriers like Samsung does for the Galaxy phones, the HTC One X will not see the popularity something like the SIII will. Oh yeah before I forget, "but if you are rooted all the issues (designed in features that we knew about) (multi-tasking, links, tethering) have been resolved within 2 months of release."
    By the way, are you not able to see my signature?
    He said "still unrooted."
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    I do have to admit though that if I hadn't planned on rooting my phone before buying it I don't think I would have wanted it if left unrooted!!! Mostly because of the way AT&T is and I've been with them for years.
    If I'm really being honest I would NOT recommend ANY android phone on AT&T if it's not going to be rooted, on T-Mo or Verizon sure.
    But I also have to mention that the way my phone is now I am incredibly happy with the performance and battery life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icebike View Post
    The injunction is over.

    Steam is lost due to the next phone being released by someone else, and AC as well as all the other sites going GAGA over what ever is next. (And the Samsung flagship is a very good phone).

    Steam is also lost because of the horrible impact AT&T had on this phone releasing it with only 16gig, and naming it the same as the international version. I bet HTC learns a lesson here and never allows a carrier to rename the phone again.

    The international HOX is a much better phone, less battery demanding radios, all the speed you really need on a phone, more storage, etc, etc, etc.

    But with short memory, a non replaceable battery and no MicroSD the LTE HOX model that AT&T is releasing can't compete feature for feature. That is how people in this forum shop.

    It remains to be seen if the HOX can compete with the Samsung at in-store purchases by less knowledgeable phone buyers.
    Your argument went south with "international HOX is a much better phone" because that's an opinion. For me it's not. I don't care about Tegra games on my phone (that's what a tablet is for IMHO), but I would like to have LTE support since I plan on having this phone for a little while.

    Oh, and battery life on the AT&T version is agreed by just about everyone to be better than with the international version. Case by case might be different, but overall the Snapdragon version is more power efficient.
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    Battery life on the AT&T one is ridiculous compared to tegra3. When Phil came to London mine was nearly done when his had a whole load of life left

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Devine View Post
    Battery life on the AT&T one is ridiculous compared to tegra3.
    It is ridiculous!
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    I love my dualcorr Rogers branded hox. It does everything I need it to.

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    Dual core, that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin O'Quinn View Post
    Your argument went south with "international HOX is a much better phone" because that's an opinion. For me it's not. I don't care about Tegra games on my phone (that's what a tablet is for IMHO), but I would like to have LTE support since I plan on having this phone for a little while.

    Oh, and battery life on the AT&T version is agreed by just about everyone to be better than with the international version. Case by case might be different, but overall the Snapdragon version is more power efficient.
    Agreed by just about everyone?

    I don't think so. Agreed by bloggers evaluating phones perhaps but not every day users.

    Very few people who have the dual core version are gloating about their battery life. 21 to 28 hours is the norm for tegra 3.




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    Quote Originally Posted by icebike View Post
    Agreed by just about everyone?

    I don't think so. Agreed by bloggers evaluating phones perhaps but not every day users.

    Very few people who have the dual core version are gloating about their battery life. 21 to 28 hours is the norm for tegra 3.

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    That's 20% difference, not counting the 4 hours less on your screenpic. That's pretty massive. That's like having a 2100 mah battery over a 1800mah in the same phone.
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    Thx for keeping it civil. I think a lot of the issues i hear about stem from htc's aggressive battery saving compromises, from multitasking to bluetooth pairing to emails and messaging and wifi reconnectioning/sleeping/acting weird. I've read and watched countless reviewers compare the hox with the gsiii. The main thing about the gsiii is that it just "works" as it should and as expected, the main stuff, like a normal android phone, and the hox can be very hit or miss. With lte and only an 1800mah battery with 4.7 inch screen, i've heard that the s4 version still has significantly better battery than the tegra version, and comptable if not better thn the s4 gsiii, which has a bigger battery and dimmed amoled. I think it was a bad move, because a phone that dies early but predictably is better than a phone that may not respond properly and quickly bcause its sleeping or whatver, and most consumers are gonna want to return something that doesnt behave perfectly as expected or has delays. Seems like a software decision that they should rethink seriously. This power scheme they have is actually great for me since I am one of those weird users that aren't heavily connected and don't even have a data plan and value standby time moreso than the immediacy of the next facebook update, which I don't have haha. But the smartphone users I do know in real life use it as a heavily connected device, so....yeah. Would it be that hard to give consumers the option to switch between both? An ECON button!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crackberrytraitor View Post
    That's 20% difference, not counting the 4 hours less on your screenpic. That's pretty massive. That's like having a 2100 mah battery over a 1800mah in the same phone.
    4 hours less??

    1 day 4 hours is 28 hours.

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    I totally agree with icebike, HTC totally shot themselves with the AT&T version, its mind-boggling how they expected to compete with the AT&T version, and its even more mind-boggling how many of you have bought it! At least the international (which I have) has 32GB of storage (that's 25GB of phone storage and 2GB internal storage!!!) plus 25GB of Dropbox storage, how the hell can any top-end-smartphone user ever live with 16GB (of which ONLY 9GB is accessible!!!) and not even have Dropbox storage. To those who say they don't care about storage and want great battery life, why not get the One S? The only thing the AT&T One X has over the S is the screen, but the S is also cheaper.

    Then we have the issues of limiting the multi-tasking (on what is suppose to be a flagship phone for God's sake!) and unreliabile battery across all/most models, how are they not going to lose steam?

    The S3 is the best phone in the market (yes it kills me to say that), by miles in the American market, but only by a bit in the International market. If the multi-tasking issue can be fixed on the International One X with the Jelly Bean update (and work the way S3 and other top android phones do) I believe it will be number 1.
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    I hate to say it, but i tend to agree that it is losing steam fast. After playing with the S3, I wish I had waited and bought it instead of the OneX. Much more developement, many more accessories and a lot more interest.
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    My brother just got the s3. I have the hox. I would not trade my phone for his straight up. The hox is a better phone in my opinion. Screen is way better, my battery is better, the build on the hox seems much better, the hox is a better looking phone.
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    One thing I don't understand here: Does a lack of activity on the One X forums indicate that the device itself is losing steam? The Support for this device is still amazing from HTC and, if you look at the other threads you can see there are still a great deal of people asking questions about the One X's hardware and software.

    The sales of the One X may have been going down but that is the usual trend when a phone has been out in the market for awhile now. Saying it's going down means nothing, but one thing I do feel matters would be that it is still one of the best Android phones out there. The new HTC phones in the Winter will soon outshine the One X, but don't think for a second that it will be any less great a phone.
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    Until we see sales figures we can't say a great deal with any certainty, but I too think the S3 will push the HOX (all flavors) into second place.

    With the S3 you have to suffer a poorer screen, (but still a very good one) and the fact that Samsung abandons and neglects their children soon after birth.

    But otherwise the S3 is a splendid phone.
    No doubt AT&T will screw it up as well.

    I haven't bought a carrier contract phone since 2005, preferring to buy off contract without all the carrier restrictions. So whatever at&t does to the HOX or the S3 doesn't affect me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedygi View Post
    One thing I don't understand here: Does a lack of activity on the One X forums indicate that the device itself is losing steam? The Support for this device is still amazing from HTC and, if you look at the other threads you can see there are still a great deal of people asking questions about the One X's hardware and software.

    The sales of the One X may have been going down but that is the usual trend when a phone has been out in the market for awhile now. Saying it's going down means nothing, but one thing I do feel matters would be that it is still one of the best Android phones out there. The new HTC phones in the Winter will soon outshine the One X, but don't think for a second that it will be any less great a phone.
    You have to be realistic. I frequent forums all the time, and both the HOX forum here and on XDA for the US variant are more or less watching dry paint. Just look at the forum member review thread stickied at the top. It's still only ONE PAGE. The last two are for the beginning of June, and then one July one. That's like, one review a month. That one will probably be the last one too. When I was following the HTC Sensation and GSII last year, threads and posts were flying past and if you did not get a reply to your thread within half a day it was bumped off the front. The GSIII has two forums on XDA just like the HOX, and they are just whizzing by at a healthy pace. Quantity does not mean quality of course, but if there aren't a lot of novices posting redundant questions and getting yelled at for posting them, than there's something wrong with the popularity of the phone, especially beyond a handful of dedicated fans.

    I'm not into the HOX hacking scene, but when you enter the development section and the first thing it says is GET YOUR ROOT BEFORE IT DISAPPEARS! and many people complaining about S-OFF and no released source for the AT&T HOX, this is not what I would call real support from HTC. The GSIII has been open and ready for devs since the beginning. And the only updates I've heard about for the HOX are 1.82, which was the only major one, and 1.85, a minor wifi one which helped some people and broke others wifi. It is also a bit silly to say phone sales should die off after two months. This is HTC's flagship for the entire year. Last year's GSII sold over 20 million units, and the majority were not just crammed in during the first two months, but spread out and sold well all the way until the release of this year's GSIII, which is projected to sell 19 million in Q3. HTC had record breaking sales last year, but started dropping considerably in Q4, and the downward slide has continued this year, with year to year sales for each quarter much less than it was a year before, when the competition was not as fierce.

    The GSIII has ease of use for the regular folks, and high hackability for the once stalwart HTC hackers who are getting increasingly miffed at locked bootloaderes and such from HTC. HTC still has the build quality, and the screen, for those who don't like the poppiness of AMOLED, but what other strengths do they have left? They are making a lot of bad decisions with the HOX, and it isn't even from hardware limitation or exceptionally difficult software engineering, its just strange and rather backwards choices that require even more effort to implement, like heavily restrained multitasking, or nonexpandable memory, which none of the other flagships are doing (both GSIII and LG Optimus 4x have microSD slots). They have a microSIM tray. How about a microSD tray? Keep the unibody, since that is a selling point. Because of this one design decision they had to do things like severally compress the video and images because of the limited space.

    I am still waiting for news of a new udpate for HOX since the last one was a month ago. What are the chances they had a copy of Jelly Bean really really early and decided to roll it into the next update? NOT.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Devine View Post
    Battery life on the AT&T one is ridiculous compared to tegra3. When Phil came to London mine was nearly done when his had a whole load of life left

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    It is ridiculous!
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    Quote Originally Posted by icebike View Post
    Agreed by just about everyone?

    I don't think so. Agreed by bloggers evaluating phones perhaps but not every day users.

    Very few people who have the dual core version are gloating about their battery life. 21 to 28 hours is the norm for tegra 3.

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    Icebike...look at his battery life. 21% left at 28 hours. I can do that pretty much all the time with mine, too.

    If you have the phone (One X), and it does everything you want it do (which it should since you bought it and kept it) why does it matter if the forums aren't busy? There has been one official update, with other ones leaked (just like what happens on most other phones). But I'm sure you didn't buy the phone for promised future updates, right? If so, you should've got a Nexus. This phone and the Galaxy S3 are desirable for their hardware. I wouldn't expect the software to change for the better at all, ever (not saying it can't or won't, but software updates of any kind aren't guaranteed for non-Nexus phones).
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    Quote Originally Posted by icebike View Post
    4 hours less??

    1 day 4 hours is 28 hours.

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    His screenpic (s4) showed 32 hours of use with 21% left. Yours (tegra3) showed 28 hours and was at 3%. I would have thought what I said was pretty clear. His got 4 hours more battery life than yours and that wasn't even counting the 21% battery life he had left. That would be enough of a difference to safely say the S4 version gets (at least) 25% more battery life than it's international counterpart. That is absolutely MASSIVE.
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