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    Default Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    I really don't understand. It is the first SoC with ARM Cortex A15 cores in smartphone. It is also the first SoC with big.LITTLE design. So many things could go wrong or don't work well. Rumors are that more regions will be using Snapdragon than in Galaxy S3.

    Samsung is in the business of making money. Isn't it possible that Exynos is used just to save face?
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    MOAR CORES IS MOAR GOOD!!!!!!!

    But really, I posed this exact question on the thread about Samsung "screwing" the US.
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdevenberg View Post
    MOAR CORES IS MOAR GOOD!!!!!!!

    But really, I posed this exact question on the thread about Samsung "screwing" the US.
    ^^^This... people assume more cores automatically mean the processor is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.

    There are so many blind judgements being made about this phone... people need to chill out and wait to actually use the device.
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    Quote Originally Posted by crester View Post
    ^^^This... people assume more cores automatically mean the processor is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.

    There are so many blind judgements being made about this phone... people need to chill out and wait to actually use the device.
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    Just saw a video of the S600 version getting over a 25000 on Antutu. Can't wait for the Verizon release!
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    If it truly does have a noticeable improvement in battery life I can see why they would say the Exynos better than the S600. Even if it isn't from raw power comparisons.

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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    1. Battery savings
    2. (Most probably) Wolfson audio chip
    3. PowerVR GPU

    In terms of raw power Qualcom might be more powerful, but it still yet to be seen. The CPU Clock is not everything. Samsung prides himself on the quality of its products, so it isn't that hard to believe his 1.6GHz A15 Exyons quad core will be better than Qualcoms 1.9GHz.

    But even if Qualcom comes on top, the 3 things I mentioned above outweights heavily Qualcom chip, and that's why most people prefer Exynos Octa. I'm from EU and am happy I will be getting the Octa CPU, even for the price of LTE (not as much expanded in my country + LTE takes much more juice from the battery vs 3g, 3.5g, 3.75g).
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    One more point I forgot to mention.

    Octa will deffinetly be coupled with DDR3 RAM. How it will be with Snapdragon we don't know yet (whether it will be DDR3, or DDR2 like it was till now)
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    It is exactly as Lukair described.

    1. Battery savings
    GSMArena Battery Life Endurance Rating (includes stand-by battery life):
    Samsung Galaxy S3 International (Exynos Quad): 43 hours
    Samsung Galaxy S3 U.S. (Dual-core Snapdragon S4): 40 hours

    That does not even include the fact that the new Exynos Octa has power-saving cores.

    2. (Most probably) Wolfson audio chip
    GSMArena Audio Quality Test
    Samsung Galaxy S3 International (Wolfson DAC): -90.3 Noise Level, 90.3 Dynamic range, minimal distortion, -92.6 Stereo Crosstalk
    Samsung Galaxy S3 U.S. (Qualcomm DAC): -82.3 Noise Level, 82.3 Dynamic range, minimal distortion, -78.4 Stereo Crosstalk

    The Wolfson DAC wins across the board in terms of cleanest audio quality when connected to either headphones or an external amplifier.

    3. PowerVR GPU
    Anandtech's GLBenchmark Egypt HD (1080p)
    Apple iPhone 5 (PowerVR SGX 543MP3 GPU): 27 frames per second
    Google Nexus 4 (Qualcomm Adreno 320 GPU): 18.5 frames per second

    The LG Optimus G (29 frames per second) was also tested, but as Anandtech says, "The explanation is simple: the Optimus G can't complete a single, continuous run of GLBenchmark 2.5 - the app will run out of texture memory and crash"

    Also, in terms of optimized browser scores:
    Anandtech's BrowserMark (Higher is better)
    Samsung Galaxy S3 International (Exynos Quad): 172237
    Samsung Galaxy S3 T-Mobile (Dual-core Snapdragon S4): 114812

    Anandtech's SunSpider Benchmark (Lower is better)
    Samsung Galaxy S3 International (Exynos Quad): Completed in 1442.9 ms
    Samsung Galaxy S3 T-Mobile (Dual-core Snapdragon S4): Completed in 1751.3 ms

    All in all, the U.S. Galaxy S4 will be inferior to the International version in every way, especially since it will have a GPU that was first used 4 months ago.
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kerafyrm View Post
    All in all, the U.S. Galaxy S4 will be inferior to the International version in every way, especially since it will have a GPU that was first used 4 months ago.
    As opposed to a GPU that is an updated (as in, support for more stuff, not performance improvements) version of something much older than the 320?

    Also worth noting is how much Samsung optimizes for Exynos. That will account for some of those differences for sure.

    And finally, these are both new chips. We know what to expect from Qualcomm (S4 Pro isn't slow and makes a good baseline). With the Octa, though, we have no idea. I say again, WE'RE ALL JUST GUESSING. Leaked benchmarks, marketing fluff, etc. Wait for the devices to be released and compared side by side.
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    8 cores is useless in a phone. Simple as that. We havent even fully embraced quad core.

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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    Quote Originally Posted by croppz View Post
    8 cores is useless in a phone. Simple as that. We havent even fully embraced quad core.

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    Please read the reason why their is 8 cores before saying its useless. It is for efficiency and battery saving. The 8 core is basically a quad core except there's two of them an A7 and an A15 which help increase battery longetivity.

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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    Why do I assume the exynos 5 octa is better: the a15 is 30% faster clock to clock than the s600, more memory bandwidth 12.8gb per second compared to 8.5gb per second, GPU performance should be comparable. But the Qualcomm chip should be better during active use especially when those a15s are active.either way they will both be great
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    Quote Originally Posted by thebizz View Post
    Why do I assume the exynos 5 octa is better: the a15 is 30% faster clock to clock than the s600, more memory bandwidth 12.8gb per second compared to 8.5gb per second, GPU performance should be comparable. But the Qualcomm chip should be better during active use especially when those a15s are active.either way they will both be great
    Not to burst bubbles or anything, both exynos5 octa and snapdragon 600 use dual channel LPDDR3...they will be virtually tied here....both chips supplied/made/implemented for mobile by samsung. Exynos5 will be damn good, much like the s600, but how good is yet to be seen.

    If anyone actually reads this post, I apologize in advance, not 100% sure the octa uses dual channel DDR3...I'm basing that on later versions of the exynos5 dual, however I'm certain the s600 has dual channel DDR3.
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    ^^ exactly how are you bursting my bubble by stating that they both are using dual channel ddr3 ram it still doesn't negate the fact that the exynos has more memory bandwidth( or should I say faster). As in it will transfer 12.8gb per second compared to the s600 8.5gb per second. Granted you may only see the advantage during certain task. Either way it doesn't matter to me as I'm most likely picking up the HTC one. With the s600
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    From Digital Trends:

    The reason for this change is well documented, and is to do with the Qualcomm chip having a built-in 4G LTE modem, while the Exynos chip must deal with a separate module, making it a little less energy efficient. However, this doesnt matter if 4G isnt an essential feature, as is the situation in many international markets.

    Much of the U.S. now has 4G so its a natural decision to use the Snapdragon here.
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    Frankly, I wouldn't touch the "B class" product of S4 even if they forced me. For me it's only the Octa version or no S4 at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin O'Quinn View Post
    As opposed to a GPU that is an updated (as in, support for more stuff, not performance improvements) version of something much older than the 320?
    It is still more powerful, while it will take lots of time for those benefits of 320 to show themselves on regular basis. Lots of time.

    And finally, these are both new chips. We know what to expect from Qualcomm (S4 Pro isn't slow and makes a good baseline). With the Octa, though, we have no idea. I say again, WE'RE ALL JUST GUESSING. Leaked benchmarks, marketing fluff, etc. Wait for the devices to be released and compared side by side.
    We are guessing indeed, but these are educated guesses.
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    And FYI last I checked the 600 doesn't have an integrated modem were as the 800 does but thats not a knock against it
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilbur View Post
    The reason for this change is well documented, and is to do with the Qualcomm chip having a built-in 4G LTE modem, while the Exynos chip must deal with a separate module
    Wrong.
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    last I checked the 600 doesn't have an integrated modem were as the 800 does
    Correct.

    The *only* inherent advantages of S600: (1) time to market, and (2) driver/dev support.

    If you can wait for the E5O model, and intend to run either stock or with a stock-based ROM, it's a no-brainer. If you want the S4 soon or want to run an AOSP-based ROM (e.g. CM, AOKP), the S600 is your choice. Of course, if Samsung only offers one model in your market or with your carrier's LTE bands, you don't have much choice.
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    Because you know the chips aren't already fast/smooth enough so it is just something to make people feel good and brag about. In day to day use you're not going to notice a difference between the two.
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    Well you always have the pluses of having those vulnerabilities that were only in the exynos versions with this chip so that is one way that the exynos chip is better lmao.
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    Octomom. You can't top that.
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    Default Re: Why do many people just assume that Exynos Octa is better than Snapdragon 600?

    I'm waiting to get mine before i decide if it's a bad phone or not
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    Quote Originally Posted by s44 View Post
    Wrong.
    Correct.

    The *only* inherent advantages of S600: (1) time to market, and (2) driver/dev support.

    If you can wait for the E5O model, and intend to run either stock or with a stock-based ROM, it's a no-brainer. If you want the S4 soon or want to run an AOSP-based ROM (e.g. CM, AOKP), the S600 is your choice. Of course, if Samsung only offers one model in your market or with your carrier's LTE bands, you don't have much choice.
    Noob question.. What's the E50 model? Do you mean international version? I am completely new to android.. My 4s contract is up and here I come gs4/Android.. I'm a virgin.. Hehehe first timer.. : )
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