The Pixel is a nice looking phone but I prefer the Priv

[Aquila]

I am sure you know better and yet top us officials use blackberry phones for work...

Right, we already covered this - it's not about what I know, it is about what YOU already know. And that is that your argument is disingenuous because you already know that this is anecdotal and the exact same anecdotal argument can be made for every major brand of phones. So ... why did this just get brought up again?

 

[Aquila]

how can you know anything about it if you never own it or at least had some experience with ?

You can't imagine any way on earth that a person who spends hours each day reading about, writing about and talking about devices, software, technology could possibly understand anything without physically holding the device? That's absurd. You get MORE information out of research than you get out of holding it, because you can read the impressions of experts. You get more personal experience from holding it, but we're talking about mostly objective factors - which means they are either true or false. And almost every point you've made is demonstrably false.

Again, it's fine for you to ignore us and believe what you want - but you should do so with the understanding that we can see through it because all of the facts are in contradiction with the statements that you're making - and you're repeating them after you've already been exposed to that information, which is why I say it is disingenuous, rather than merely fallacious.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

good luck decrypting anything blackberry. Foreign governments cannot do it but I am sure you will come up with solution

No no. You're confused. The SD card is not blackberry. It's an SD card. If it's encrypted, there is a decryption key. Any form of encryption can be cracked given enough time. That's the inherent problem with an SD card. It can't be secured in the same ways as internal storage.

You seem to be a bit delusional about the capabilities of Blackberry compared to other companies. They are not doing anything special or different than Google. In fact, the Priv uses eMMC 5.0 as the storage interface, which lacks quite a few security features compared to UFS 2.0 used in the Pixel.

 

[Aquila]

No no. You're confused. The SD card is not blackberry. It's an SD card. If it's encrypted, there is a decryption key. Any form of encryption can be cracked given enough time. That's the inherent problem with an SD card. It can't be secured in the same ways as internal storage.

You seem to be a bit delusional about the capabilities of Blackberry compared to other companies. They are not doing anything special or different than Google. In fact, the Priv uses eMMC 5.0 as the storage interface, which lacks quite a few security features compared to UFS 2.0 used in the Pixel.

Because ... it's 2015 midrange technology made to run 2014 software. And because ... as pointed out by the WSJ, the DTEK app and it's privacy suggestions are things people like, but "it was noted that most of the improvements to privacy and security were not exclusive to the Priv and that the hardened kernel, while making the phone more secure in theory, had not been externally audited." Couple the fact that there are NO verifiable improvements to stock Lollipop, the added risks associated with L's implementation of SD Card policy and that it's two years behind on security improvements that have come out since then on both the software and hardware fronts, the claim that BB is a leader, let alone THE leader, in security - is laughable. Making that claim takes you right out of the conversation.

 

[rslifkin]

Any kind of encryption can be cracked. However, if it's good encryption, then by the time someone manages to crack that stolen SD card's encryption, it should have taken long enough that the data on the card is years old and no longer terribly useful.

FWIW, The PRIV did get updated to Marshmallow, so Lollipop isn't terribly relevant to people using them in late 2016.

 

[bitek]

No no. You're confused. The SD card is not blackberry. It's an SD card. If it's encrypted, there is a decryption key. Any form of encryption can be cracked given enough time. That's the inherent problem with an SD card. It can't be secured in the same ways as internal storage.

You seem to be a bit delusional about the capabilities of Blackberry compared to other companies. They are not doing anything special or different than Google. In fact, the Priv uses eMMC 5.0 as the storage interface, which lacks quite a few security features compared to UFS 2.0 used in the Pixel.

sorry but you are incorrect. it is all blackberry encryption including SD card.

 

[Aquila]

FWIW, The PRIV did get updated to Marshmallow, so Lollipop isn't terribly relevant to people using them in late 2016.

It did, but the hardware was all designed for Lollipop, and so any deep seeded hardware security solutions will all be based on 2014 (or earlier) security implementation options. The software security can obviously be updated, but a device running a major OS version other than what it shipped with is always running something where the hardware and software were not matched together specifically by the engineers and so there are going to be less advantages than to a device that shipped with the newer OS.

 

[Aquila]

sorry but you are incorrect. it is all blackberry encryption including SD card.

What you just said is literally impossible. The SD card is a third party product that they have no control over, other than if it's being used as adoptable storage - which is Google encryption policies, not BlackBerry.

 

[bitek]

Any kind of encryption can be cracked. However, if it's good encryption, then by the time someone manages to crack that stolen SD card's encryption, it should have taken long enough that the data on the card is years old and no longer terribly useful.

FWIW, The PRIV did get updated to Marshmallow, so Lollipop isn't terribly relevant to people using them in late 2016.

for sure that must be the reason why foreign governments like Pakistan forbid blackberry from selling its devices or Saudis from threatening blackberry for not co-operating with its government agencies or that is the reason why RCMP here in Canada needed to obtain actual decryption key and that is why Osama has blackberry for work.

 

[Aquila]

for sure that must be the reason why foreign governments like Pakistan forbid blackberry from selling its devices or Saudis from threatening blackberry for not co-operating with its government agencies or that is the reason why RCMP here in Canada needed to obtain actual decryption key and that is why Osama has blackberry for work.

Ok, it has become clear that you're trolling and it's not funny. Osama Bin Laden died 4 years before the Priv was announced.

Edit to add that another moderator pointed out you may have been trolling about President Obama and not Bin Laden. Either way, trolling should be avoided whenever possible.

Moderator Note: Folks, thanks for the interesting conversation - it appears the thread has run its course and we're done. See you next thread!