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    Always remember, if you can be with the camera you love... love the camera you're with.
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    Well the Note 2 is a good $100+ more, so although you *can* compare the two devices, they're not exactly on a level playing field. If the Note II were the same price as the DNA, I would have probably gotten the former. It was a choice between $279 and $150, and this one is great for the price.

    I gotta say though, the camera specs on this device are part of what lured me in (f/2.0? the lowest f/stop SLR lens I have is f/1.8) but even the Galaxy S3 cam seems to outshine this one, especially when it comes to videos. Not that this has a bad camera, but it doesn't have what I'd call 2013-ready specs. Under certain lighting situations, I'd say even my sister's iPhone 4S outperforms this one. I wish there was a manual focus mode--my DNA's focus is always a tad bit off, particularly with macro shots (when I press to focus, it shifts to the the correct focal length but ultimately over/underextends).
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    Sorry that was android forums

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    I know. I just love seeing all of this ones problems - 2 times over :-) .



    For the OP: I like the DNA camera. I wouldn't call it great, but I wouldn't call any camera phone great. I guess folks have different needs. If this one isn't good enough for you, and if photos are that critical in your use on a phone, AND if you don't carry around a point and shoot, then maybe you should go with the GN2 or another brand. For me, the camera is a very small part of what I need in a phone. Even if I thought the quality was as bad as you do ( I do not), it wouldn't be that big a deal for me. But I understand that folks have different needs so maybe this is very important to you.

    Lastly, it's bad form to cross-post so much IMO. Especially at the same time. If one forum can't get you what you need, then posting to another works well. Constantly posting everything to multiple forums leads experienced users to tune out, just FYI ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbman View Post
    Blow note 2 away? I doubt it. May help with low light. May even inch it a bit better than note 2 in some cases. Blow it away though? Don't think so. They are too similar to begin with.
    I didn't mean blow it away, but it would actually put up a fight with other cameras such as the note 2s

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    Guys, check our thread on xda about an explanation why you think it sucks.

    let's put it this way.. HTC enabled auto enhance as default, and that ruins shots. In the rezound that was the first thing you turned off to get amazing shots. so HTC ruined that.

    second, don't ever use auto iso. it jacks the iso to 1600 and it's blurry, spotty and noisy all over.. that mixed with auto enhance blurs images out and softens them. they look bad.

    third, play with the white balance options... stop relying on auto everything, people.

    And, learn how to take a picture. STEADY HANDS. SELF TIMER. THESE ARE YOUR FRIENDS. with an instantaneous shutter on the DNA, the slightest movement creates blur.

    Fourth, COMPRESSION. HTC camera app compresses the hell out of shots.


    Fifth, it's the software. It's all the software. All of these are software issues. Try an aftermarket camera app like camera zoom fx or camera 360 pro. You can get cleaner shots out of them.

    Go check the xda thread,I posted a huge imgur album of all the shots I've taken, and comparison shots between camera apps.

    I've reported all of these issues with the camera to HTC , so who knows what will happen. I'm waiting to root so we can flash a camera mod that gives options to turn compression off and auto enhance off etc. There already is one, but I'm too lazy to root lol...and since joelz got a DNA, I was talking to him about making a camera hq mod like joebrady did for the rezound last year...so that might happen too.


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    My girlfriend just got the DNA. I don't think it takes bad pictures by any means, in fact they are pretty darn close to my note 2. She really complains about the features though that the the note 2 has and the dna doesn't. Both good cameras in my opinion but like the OP said, if the camera is huge for you I would consider the S3 or the note 2.
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    Great post jayochs! People think you're automatically gonna take amazing pictures with no effort, if you want that, get an iPhone! The potential for this camera is great...still shots in a well lit area are great, blow away my Dinc2!

    The only thing I wish was improved was the macro mode, it says "macro" mode and I'll get really close to something, it'll focus perfectly on it for a second, but then assume that it should focus further away and not even take advantage OF the macro mode...so I have to watch it focus on the potential picture I wanna take, but then be like "NOPE" lol. Yeah though, I'd love for an update to improve it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrwatson View Post
    Well the Note 2 is a good $100+ more, so although you *can* compare the two devices, they're not exactly on a level playing field. If the Note II were the same price as the DNA, I would have probably gotten the former. It was a choice between $279 and $150, and this one is great for the price.

    I gotta say though, the camera specs on this device are part of what lured me in (f/2.0? the lowest f/stop SLR lens I have is f/1.8) but even the Galaxy S3 cam seems to outshine this one, especially when it comes to videos. Not that this has a bad camera, but it doesn't have what I'd call 2013-ready specs. Under certain lighting situations, I'd say even my sister's iPhone 4S outperforms this one. I wish there was a manual focus mode--my DNA's focus is always a tad bit off, particularly with macro shots (when I press to focus, it shifts to the the correct focal length but ultimately over/underextends).
    The Galaxy S2 devices take better video than HTCs newest phones. Samsung uses superior audio and video codes/containers for the video.

    At the person above saying use an aftermarket camera app... That defeats the point as the better camera software is the main reason to get an HTC device over a Samsung for those that care. You mind ad well get a GS3 or note 2 and take better pictures with all the built in options if you're gonna do that...

    HTC does have a one up in that it can do slow motion 720p but if you do a lot of 1080p recording on a smartphone any flagship 2011/2012 Galaxy S2/3 decided would best an HTC flagship, or at least be comparable with it.

    HTC cameras have generally been bad at low light and produced noisy images there. They have always had white balance issues. And their flash has always been less intelligent than those on Samsung phones.

    HTC camera phones were great because of their better camera software and options, not the optics or output. With the GS3/Note 2 Samsung has basically equalled them on the software side so I wouldn't touch an HTC camera phone at this point with what Samsung is putting out these days.

    Image Chip was overhyped just like Beats Audio, and that low f stop has drawbacks, as well. They had similar optics on the Vivid and Rezound.

    The One Series wasn't about the optics, per se. It was all about the ImageChip component and updated camera software. Otherwise you could get output that wasn't much worse from a Vivid/Rezound or GS2/Skyrocket/Note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbman View Post
    Blow note 2 away? I doubt it. May help with low light. May even inch it a bit better than note 2 in some cases. Blow it away though? Don't think so. They are too similar to begin with.
    I didn't mean to say it like that. It'll greatly improve the DNA to where it's supposed to be. The Note 2 takes some awesome shots so it'll be hard to "blow it away". That was merely a figure of speech haha
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    The Galaxy S2 devices take better video than HTCs newest phones. Samsung uses superior audio and video codes/containers for the video.

    At the person above saying use an aftermarket camera app... That defeats the point as the better camera software is the main reason to get an HTC device over a Samsung for those that care. You mind ad well get a GS3 or note 2 and take better pictures with all the built in options if you're gonna do that...

    HTC does have a one up in that it can do slow motion 720p but if you do a lot of 1080p recording on a smartphone any flagship 2011/2012 Galaxy S2/3 decided would best an HTC flagship, or at least be comparable with it.

    HTC cameras have generally been bad at low light and produced noisy images there. They have always had white balance issues. And their flash has always been less intelligent than those on Samsung phones.

    HTC camera phones were great because of their better camera software and options, not the optics or output. With the GS3/Note 2 Samsung has basically equalled them on the software side so I wouldn't touch an HTC camera phone at this point with what Samsung is putting out these days.

    Image Chip was overhyped just like Beats Audio, and that low f stop has drawbacks, as well. They had similar optics on the Vivid and Rezound.

    The One Series wasn't about the optics, per se. It was all about the ImageChip component and updated camera software. Otherwise you could get output that wasn't much worse from a Vivid/Rezound or GS2/Skyrocket/Note.

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    Sigh. Can't please some people. If you want to put no effort into taking pictures and aren't creative enough to play with settings, get an iPhone.

    I take it the majority of you don't own any other cameras or anything or are used to "point and shoot?"

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    Yeah even on my One X I really don't see the problem. Then again I spent far less than a DNA.

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    I like the ability to set the ISO to 100. Even my iPhone5 in any case is nothing like a real DSLR.

    This photo also from HTC One X.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayochs View Post
    Sigh. Can't please some people. If you want to put no effort into taking pictures and aren't creative enough to play with settings, get an iPhone.

    I take it the majority of you don't own any other cameras or anything or are used to "point and shoot?"

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    Newsflash. People now buy smartphones for the good cameras in them. Better than carrying more equipment. Also most of the issues with HTC camera phones are in low light and with video recording (and the audio in the video).

    Posting daytime en pictures doesn't tell anything we don't all know already.

    IPhone level photos can be achieved on a better Samsung camera phone by simply auto fixing most of them in snapseed. That's not hard to achieve. The app is free. Use it.

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    Both devices are equipped with 8-megapixel rear cameras with the ability to record 1080p video. In general, Samsung adds a little color pop to the camera captures, giving images a nice vibrancy. On the HTC unit, you have a slightly wider angle lens, which means you’re able to capture a little bit more of the scene in than with the Samsung unit. The Samsung lens is a bit sharper, in my testing, than the HTC lens when you’re blowing pictures up and viewing it on a large canvas while HTC’s F/2.0 aperture makes for better low light image captures. In bars and shots where you’re not using the flash, HTC will give you a cleaner image with less noise than Samsung.



    So the dna and note 2 camera have their strong points. Is one "better" than the other? I think not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayochs View Post
    Sigh. Can't please some people. If you want to put no effort into taking pictures and aren't creative enough to play with settings, get an iPhone.

    I take it the majority of you don't own any other cameras or anything or are used to "point and shoot?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnly View Post
    Both devices are equipped with 8-megapixel rear cameras with the ability to record 1080p video. In general, Samsung adds a little color pop to the camera captures, giving images a nice vibrancy. On the HTC unit, you have a slightly wider angle lens, which means you’re able to capture a little bit more of the scene in than with the Samsung unit. The Samsung lens is a bit sharper, in my testing, than the HTC lens when you’re blowing pictures up and viewing it on a large canvas while HTC’s F/2.0 aperture makes for better low light image captures. In bars and shots where you’re not using the flash, HTC will give you a cleaner image with less noise than Samsung.



    So the dna and note 2 camera have their strong points. Is one "better" than the other? I think not.

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    Samsung cameras are known for muted colors, and HTC typically has better contrast in daytime photos. Muted is not vibrant, but it's easy to fix with software. Problem is the areas where you struggle to fix photos from an HTC device, the Samsung images are fine.

    Also, since Samsung compresses less that is a huge factor when you're cropping a photo at full resolution.

    Samsung wins video. It's clearly better at that than HTCS.

    Mom has a GS3 and One X. I tested them not even a month ago when I was down there to visit a few weeks.

    If you take almost all of you pictures in the day, go HTC.

    If you do a lot of full HD video, take pictures in dubious or low light more than occasionally, or tend to crop at full resolution a Samsung device is better.

    If you're unsure, then go Samsung.

    It's all pretty simple and samples from a website (usually their best of best samples) are misleading, Imo.

    HTCs aperture advantage isn't an advantage because their high compression degrades quality to below that of Samsung devices especially so in low lighting. There is noise everywhere in the images especially in the darker areas.

    To be honest, I was a bit disappointed with the One X as the camera displayed many of the issues that made me get rid of the Vivid back when.

    The FFC on the DNA is nice, though.

    HTC users need to send feedback and tell them to lessen the compression. Sony does the same thing. The Xperia ion has a good camera but the compression destroys all low light images. That phone lasted less than a day with me.

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    Do you guys know of any apps that allow for some sort of 'manual' focus? e.g., adjusting focal length from some sort of slider instead of the standard 'touch to focus'. the autofocus on my DNA is always slightly off (I know it's capable of focusing at the correct length, it just always overshoots). Particularly troublesome in macro.

    edit://just answered my own question, sort of. Camera FV-5 allows for focus lock, which is good enough. That app is such a treat to use!
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    lol @ people comparing DNA to the Note 2 constantly, only thing they remotely have in common is that they are bigger devices.

    Here are some pictures I took with mine.







    Im coming from an iphone 4, so I don't think this camera is that bad, IMO it's better.
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    You just have to be very still. I think these look pretty good.

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    Well not to be a party pooper, but for the exception of the second jeep image all of those pictures (in last two posts) are full of noise, and that jeep picture I mentioned is a useless sample as it has been resized down so much. That being said, HTC Cameras tend to do well outdoors in lit scenes.

    So the image of the bridge is surprisingly bad to me. It looks like it was taken with the HDR setting on (or edited somehow in a program, color reproduction seems rather dubious to me) and the background is borderline indiscernible because the entire image is over sharpened which doesn't go well with the noise, which litters the entire image (that's the surprising part, cause my Vivid took outdoor images that were 500% better than that, easily, and had almost no noise or over sharpening even when I cropped from full resolution - though it tended to oversaturate greens and reds a bit).

    The quality of those images reminds me of when I had the Xperia ion, which leads me to think the images are being degraded by aggressive compression in the camera software (this happened in the ion, especially in low/dubious lighting, as well as the Vivid/Rezound). Samsung doesn't compress nearly as much (which is why their phones can pop out 8MP images of almost 4MB size).

    There also seems to be focus issues in one or two of them, but I'll chalk that up to operator error. The puppy on the couch is the obvious one (and full of image noise evident even after resizing), so I'm willing to reserve judgment because camera/hand movement may have degraded the image quality unintentionally.

    Lastly, the iPhone 4 Camera is bad by today's standards. It compared well. back when Galaxy S and HTC HD2/HD7/Inspire/Evo 4G were the latest flagships, but it's simply not that good anymore, so of course the images out of an Vivid/Rezound/One X/DNA/GS2/GS3/Note/Note 2 will look better.

    How good a camera needs to be is largely subjective and depends on what use cases the owner of the device will put the phone through. You can take sample images in a carrier store, put them on your phone (those phones have WiFi Direct, NFC, and BT File Transfer) and view them on a computer when you get home. You don't need to buy a phone everytime you walk in a carrier store. Go visit the store and play with the phone a lot and pay attention to areas where you expect the phone to perform best multiple times. It's always good to give yourself time to get over the hype before making a purchasing decision.

    Lord knows I've burned myself enough NOT doing that.
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    Okay I have a Evo 4G lte which has the same camera and I can say this it's the best camera by far you just have to know how to set it up

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    Well not to be a party pooper, but for the exception of the second jeep image all of those pictures (in last two posts) are full of noise, and that jeep picture I mentioned is a useless sample as it has been resized down so much. That being said, HTC Cameras tend to do well outdoors in lit scenes.

    So the image of the bridge is surprisingly bad to me. It looks like it was taken with the HDR setting on (or edited somehow in a program, color reproduction seems rather dubious to me) and the background is borderline indiscernible because the entire image is over sharpened which doesn't go well with the noise, which litters the entire image (that's the surprising part, cause my Vivid took outdoor images that were 500% better than that, easily, and had almost no noise or over sharpening even when I cropped from full resolution - though it tended to oversaturate greens and reds a bit).

    The quality of those images reminds me of when I had the Xperia ion, which leads me to think the images are being degraded by aggressive compression in the camera software (this happened in the ion, especially in low/dubious lighting, as well as the Vivid/Rezound). Samsung doesn't compress nearly as much (which is why their phones can pop out 8MP images of almost 4MB size).

    There also seems to be focus issues in one or two of them, but I'll chalk that up to operator error. The puppy on the couch is the obvious one (and full of image noise evident even after resizing), so I'm willing to reserve judgment because camera/hand movement may have degraded the image quality unintentionally.

    Lastly, the iPhone 4 Camera is bad by today's standards. It compared well. back when Galaxy S and HTC HD2/HD7/Inspire/Evo 4G were the latest flagships, but it's simply not that good anymore, so of course the images out of an Vivid/Rezound/One X/DNA/GS2/GS3/Note/Note 2 will look better.

    How good a camera needs to be is largely subjective and depends on what use cases the owner of the device will put the phone through. You can take sample images in a carrier store, put them on your phone (those phones have WiFi Direct, NFC, and BT File Transfer) and view them on a computer when you get home. You don't need to buy a phone everytime you walk in a carrier store. Go visit the store and play with the phone a lot and pay attention to areas where you expect the phone to perform best multiple times. It's always good to give yourself time to get over the hype before making a purchasing decision.

    Lord knows I've burned myself enough NOT doing that.
    To be honest with you, if you want a great camera in a phone, go buy an iPhone 5. I have yet to see a camera in any android phone take a better picture than a 4s/5. And this is coming from a guy who despises apple.

    This was the best pic I ever took with my iphone 4. I haven't been able to replicate it. If apple does one thing right, they put pretty good cameras in their phones...but that's all the credit I'll give them. Don't mind my mismatched signals hahaha

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    Oh please. GS2-generation HTC and Samsung high end devices take better pictures than an iPhone 4. GS3 and One X/DNA level camera phones take much better pictures than an iPhone 4. Lumia 920 blows the iPhone away, and I'm not even going to mention niche devices like the PureView and N8 which embarrasses it.

    You're comparing the wrong images. Apple has post-processing built-into the camera software that HTC and Samsung does not. HTC I think had the option in my Vivid but it practically was inoperable (did basically nothing) and the Samsung Auto-Contrast toggle isn't the same. Apple basically Auto-Fixes every image before it saves it to the camera roll. It does this because it's a phone and they don't make the assumption that a not-so-tech-savvy user wants to push all their images through editing software like Snapseed or desktop software like Photoshop, Gimp, Photo Gallery, or Picasa before they post it on their blog or a social networking site. This is why iPhones are quite popular with people who like to take pictures. It does a lot of what someone like me would do before publishing a photo online, automatically. You just press the button and move on. This is why there aren't many settings exposed in their stock camera software - the software will attempt to fix the image automatically, anyways.

    To have a comparable photo, you'd basically have to Auto-Fix all of your Android device photos in Snapseed and compare the edited version to the iPhone photo.

    To illustrate what I'm talking about. If my phone was an iPhone, hypothetically speaking... Instead of saving this raw JPEG that it actually took:


    2448×3264 pixels – 3406KB

    The iPhone will actually post process the image and save something similar to this (simply Auto-Fixed in Snapseed):


    2448×3264 pixels – 5879KB

    And in both cases, you can clearly see that phone takes sharper images than the DNA, however, Samsung phones tend to produce muted colors which is the one noticeable area (IMO) where HTC outperforms them - because the Galaxy handset tends to overexpose the image. However, that is demonstrably easier to fix than the noise and focus issues displayed in most of the images above.

    I don't need to buy an iPhone 5, cause I know how the camera software works on both phones and I know how to achieve similar if not equal or in many cases even better results with my Skyrocket. The thread talks about the DNA which is an Android phone that shares many of the same photography-based characteristics and shortfalls compared to an iPhone (as in, the phone doesn't hold your hand throughout the entire picture-taking process) and my advice is not for a user to simply box themselves into a particular phone type, or brand (which is a rather ignorant and short-sighted statement to make, iMo), but to actually evaluate the phone's photography prowess over a factorable period of time a bit more deeply if taking pictures (or video) is a high priority for them.

    If my Skyrocket can take images that sharp, there is no reason for a One X or a DNA to fall short of that mark. Those skyrocket images are better than the iPhone images you posted (the focus isn't as good, the greens are oversaturated, the image is generally sort of soft and I can tell just by looking at it (largely due to the bad sharpness in the grass/leaves detail) that it would be noisy as hell in those areas - far beyond what was displayed in the DNA images nevermind the image I posted), even at it's super duper reduced size which hides noise and artifacts. The GS2 optics compare favorably with the iPhone 4S, especially when you factor in low light/flash photography and other areas. They are about equal for video. Making your images look good on an Android device simply takes more work - not a lot more, just MORE... slightly.

    Share to Snapseed - Auto Fix - Save and it will go to the Snapseed folder (preserving your original). Done.
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