06-18-2020 06:40 AM
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  1. gray2018's Avatar
    Is it just me or are phones getting ridiculous now? Look at Samsung for example... This past year they've had the Galaxy S10/S10+/S10e, the Note 10/10+. Both of those lines already have budget models essentially... So now we are getting two huge budget models being the S10 Lite/Note 10 Lite? This just really seems both confusing and redundant to me. And every year, devices seem to be getting bigger and bigger and being jacked up in price. Who really pays 1000 dollars for a device anymore? I thought it was bad when I paid 500 for my S5 back in 2015. As someone who also recently got into the Note line, why make the Note 10 two different devices? An excuse to make more money or have more options? It seems they could have just made the Note 10 the only one and made it the premium phone.

    I'm sure Samsung is not the only one like this... But I can't think of anything else to compare at the moment besides maybe apple.
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    01-16-2020 09:42 PM
  2. belodion's Avatar
    In my opinion, yes: large sizes, curved displays, notches and holes, all trends in recent years, and seemingly unstoppable, are ridiculous. Of course there have been good developments as well; though hardly anything at all for those who prefer a small phone.
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    01-17-2020 04:24 AM
  3. the_boon's Avatar
    I think phones are getting really boring now due to them looking almost identical to each other.

    But I'm glad Samsung made the S10e, it's basically the only truly compact high end phone of last year.

    Even smaller than the Pixel 3 and Galaxy A40.

    I wish there were more keyboard phones (I'd have paid well over a grand for an S10e with a sliding portrait mechanism like the BB Priv for example)

    And just different form factors in general.

    I wish that phones that had moving parts had them for a real/practical reason (such as a keyboard) instead of for the sake of having zero bezels/no hole punch/notch.

    Foldables seem to be the only exciting thing, but they have to sort out the durability issues.
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    01-17-2020 06:47 AM
  4. Elky64's Avatar
    It is ridiculous but obviously us consumers are the driving force otherwise the likes of Samsung wouldn't keep pumping them out, adding models, if we weren't. We've become infatuated w/the smartphone simple as that. And realistically, these days the gains in terms of features/advancements (old to new) will be minuscule for the majority of people. But it will be shiny and new, latest and greatest, and a renew on the support end where the old started seeing a decline within a year.
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    01-17-2020 02:06 PM
  5. Morty2264's Avatar
    I feel like it's a "yes" and "no" answer. Maybe there are too many options but I love having choices! But yes, the prices have become very exorbitant and ridiculous. I feel like phones are getting bigger and bigger and more and more expensive... A bad combo, in my opinion!
    01-18-2020 09:11 AM
  6. Elky64's Avatar
    I feel like it's a "yes" and "no" answer. Maybe there are too many options but I love having choices! But yes, the prices have become very exorbitant and ridiculous. I feel like phones are getting bigger and bigger and more and more expensive... A bad combo, in my opinion!
    Choice is for sure nice but now we have to weed out paying for gimmicks and/or features, that in the grand scheme of things make little difference in day-to-day use. Does allow manufactures to tack on a few more $$ because of them though.

    For me small was in but now my eyesight has informed me bigger is better LOL. There is a limit though as to how much bigger and thankfully moving towards bezel-less has help keep sizes manageable.

    One of the big problems is, many people (including me LOL) want the latest and greatest (which usually translates into most expensive) yet most rarely use said device to its fullest... The funny thing is, then 9 months or so down the road we toss in the towel opting for the next model that was just released because its even shinier LOL.

    Then there's updates/support which most manufactures still suck at imo. Owned several devices over past 1-3 years that manufactures claim they'll provide "monthly security patches" for 2 years, may start out w/good intentions but never stays on an even keel missing several over the course. So yeah, if they don't get the lead out in this regard then that'll be another reason for keeping a device current... damned if we do damned if we don't.
    01-18-2020 06:14 PM
  7. the_boon's Avatar
    I don't consider the smartphone market of today to really be consisted of "choices"

    You get to choose between:

    -A shiny glass slab with vertical cameras

    -A shiny glass slab with horizontal cameras

    -A shiny glass slab with a square camera bump

    You get where I'm going

    TCL/BB Mobile is basically extinct because the KEY phones which did somewhat distinguish themselves failed to sell in good enough numbers.

    That leaves us with the foldables and Kickstarter style devices with unconventional form factors like the UniHertz Titan and the F(x) Tec Pro 1

    Quite boring/monotonous as you can see.

    Even mainstream techtubers like Austin Evans admitted that Smartphones are getting very boring now.

    I just don't know how people keep getting excited about new devices that have an extra camera lens slapped in the back, a higher refresh rate, more storage (who needs 1TB storage) etc.

    The only improvements that I'm genuinely interested about in today's phones are the improvements in battery efficiency, because those are actually useful, for every one, every day.
    01-18-2020 06:26 PM
  8. mustang7757's Avatar
    I don't consider the smartphone market of today to really be consisted of "choices"

    You get to choose between:

    -A shiny glass slab with vertical cameras

    -A shiny glass slab with horizontal cameras

    -A shiny glass slab with a square camera bump

    You get where I'm going

    TCL/BB Mobile is basically extinct because the KEY phones which did somewhat distinguish themselves failed to sell in good enough numbers.

    That leaves us with the foldables and Kickstarter style devices with unconventional form factors like the UniHertz Titan and the F(x) Tec Pro 1

    Quite boring/monotonous as you can see.

    Even mainstream techtubers like Austin Evans admitted that Smartphones are getting very boring now.

    I just don't know how people keep getting excited about new devices that have an extra camera lens slapped in the back, a higher refresh rate, more storage (who needs 1TB storage) etc.

    The only improvements that I'm genuinely interested about in today's phones are the improvements in battery efficiency, because those are actually useful, for every one, every day.
    I guess because the camera has gotten better with these newer devices and the high refresh rate is something new now to phones and some people need storage for 4k photos video and other things they keep on the device . We not going get major design change like a star wars alien type or 3d projector phone) but the small enhancements like battery more storage ,better ram managment /chip efficiency , AI improvements are a welcome and worth it to me .
    01-18-2020 06:48 PM
  9. TgeekB's Avatar
    I guess because the camera has gotten better with these newer devices and the high refresh rate is something new now to phones and some people need storage for 4k photos video and other things they keep on the device . We not going get major design change like a star wars alien type or 3d projector phone) but the small enhancements like battery more storage ,better ram managment /chip efficiency , AI improvements are a welcome and worth it to me .
    Welcome but certainly not worth updating every year, in my opinion.
    01-18-2020 06:55 PM
  10. mustang7757's Avatar
    Welcome but certainly not worth updating every year, in my opinion.
    I agree there , every 2 years maybe 3 to upgrade I would suggest to people unless that 1 year is a major update or must have features.
    01-18-2020 07:00 PM
  11. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Welcome but certainly not worth updating every year, in my opinion.
    I stopped chasing the yearly updates almost 5 years ago.
    I agree there , every 2 years maybe 3 to upgrade I would suggest to people unless that 1 year is a major update or must have features.
    Phones have gotten good enough now to me that I'll get a flagship device and keep it until there is something wrong with it that makes it impossible to use.
    01-18-2020 10:53 PM
  12. mustang7757's Avatar
    I stopped chasing the yearly updates almost 5 years ago. Phones have gotten good enough now to me that I'll get a flagship device and keep it until there is something wrong with it that makes it impossible to use.
    That's a good mindset, I even think these midrange phones gotten much better.
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    01-18-2020 10:58 PM
  13. the_boon's Avatar
    I guess because the camera has gotten better with these newer devices and the high refresh rate is something new now to phones and some people need storage for 4k photos video and other things they keep on the device . We not going get major design change like a star wars alien type or 3d projector phone) but the small enhancements like battery more storage ,better ram managment /chip efficiency , AI improvements are a welcome and worth it to me .
    Modular phones like the Moto Z are very interesting ideas but those never really took off...

    ...maybe cause it wasn't Apple making them

    Ideally it would be nice to have more portrait sliders like the Priv, more wide phones like the Passport, but the foldables do seem somewhat promising.

    Other than that, it's slab after slab after slab.

    Even Samsung's lineup looks so similar to one another, it takes a serious trained eye to differentiate them, if at all possible.
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    01-19-2020 12:01 AM
  14. Elky64's Avatar
    I don't consider the smartphone market of today to really be consisted of "choices"

    You get to choose between:

    -A shiny glass slab with vertical cameras

    -A shiny glass slab with horizontal cameras

    -A shiny glass slab with a square camera bump

    You get where I'm going

    TCL/BB Mobile is basically extinct because the KEY phones which did somewhat distinguish themselves failed to sell in good enough numbers.

    That leaves us with the foldables and Kickstarter style devices with unconventional form factors like the UniHertz Titan and the F(x) Tec Pro 1

    Quite boring/monotonous as you can see.

    Even mainstream techtubers like Austin Evans admitted that Smartphones are getting very boring now.

    I just don't know how people keep getting excited about new devices that have an extra camera lens slapped in the back, a higher refresh rate, more storage (who needs 1TB storage) etc.

    The only improvements that I'm genuinely interested about in today's phones are the improvements in battery efficiency, because those are actually useful, for every one, every day.
    Truly believe "camera(s)" are one aspect of smartphones most pay attention too these days so the failure of TCL/BBMo to deliver on that front didn't help their case much either. Their packages were essentially incomplete yet priced high.
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    01-19-2020 12:16 AM
  15. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Truly believe "camera(s)" are one aspect of smartphones most pay attention too these days so the failure of TCL/BBMo to deliver on that front didn't help their case much either. Their packages were essentially incomplete yet priced high.
    I never considered TCL/BBMo,since the specs were mediocre for the prices. I could've purchased a cheap Moto device in the G series for half the price as a TCL/BBMo device with similar specs. PKB wasn't a draw to me.
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    01-19-2020 12:33 AM
  16. Ry's Avatar
    The services matter more to me than the hardware.
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    01-19-2020 02:26 AM
  17. the_boon's Avatar
    I never considered TCL/BBMo,since the specs were mediocre for the prices. I could've purchased a cheap Moto device in the G series for half the price as a TCL/BBMo device with similar specs. PKB wasn't a draw to me.
    For spec-heads, BBMo's products weren't attractive.

    If you didn't care for the PKB, it makes no sense to buy one, that's for sure.

    But are specs alone enough to make a great device?
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    01-19-2020 06:44 AM
  18. davidnc's Avatar
    I also used to get at least one new phone a year. I did last year to but that wont be as much of a guarantee for me anymore.
    I think all phones are to pricey by a tad

    I could care less for foldable phones, I read about them but as far as buying one. Its not for me.
    I don't want a phone I have to unfold, even if it has a mini screen to view without unfolding it.

    I would say now the camera has become one of my favorite things ( telephoto lens, and/or wide angle lens) also astrophotography mode.
    Longer battery life , better screens , build quality, timely updates both security as well as features added.

    As far as companies making a prem. model and a mid range model of the same phone. I think that is a good thing , but they don't need to make quadruplicates of the same model. That is a little bit over done, imo
    01-19-2020 08:37 AM
  19. TgeekB's Avatar
    That's a good mindset, I even think these midrange phones gotten much better.
    I agree. The difference between the midrange and top is negligible.
    01-19-2020 11:26 AM
  20. TgeekB's Avatar
    To me it’s manageable size (I don’t want to carry around a brick), decent battery life, expandable storage and a decent camera which almost all phones have. Having a 3.5 headphone jack is a plus.
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    01-19-2020 11:30 AM
  21. Elky64's Avatar
    I never considered TCL/BBMo,since the specs were mediocre for the prices. I could've purchased a cheap Moto device in the G series for half the price as a TCL/BBMo device with similar specs. PKB wasn't a draw to me.
    Yes I'm sure their prices vs specs was a deterrent for many. Will say though, my Motion was somewhat of a wolf in sheep's clothing, great daily performer, dependable software, and its battery was a beast. The Motion is what actually opened my eyes to the fact one doesn't necessarily need the most powerful, or expensive, in an attempt at getting it done.

    Not much into PKB's neither but always wanted to try a KEYone so bought a Silver Edition new hugely discounted, imo it too is a great performer with a long-lasting battery... Camera wasn't all that bad either wishing it had made its way to the Motion.

    KEY2/LE didn't entice much mainly due to their pricing but also had an inkling TCL/BBMo was still skimping in the camera department, pretty sure that was the case.

    These days I'm still rockin' my P20 Pro as a daily driver, still a stellar performer imo and the camera(s) are best I've owned (main reasons I find it hard to let go). Have the P20 too for those times when we prefer to carry something smaller. Also purchased the LG G8X ThinQ w/DualScreen because it intrigued LOL. Motion, KEYone, and Pixel 2 XL are at the ready as well if there's a need hehehe. As you can already see I got a problem yet none came close to the 1K or above price tags some are garnering and all were purchased new. Although it may not seem like it I find myself using devices for considerably longer from say 2 years ago, just got to curb my spending habits and the urge to buy something new .
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    01-19-2020 12:59 PM
  22. Morty2264's Avatar
    Choice is for sure nice but now we have to weed out paying for gimmicks and/or features, that in the grand scheme of things make little difference in day-to-day use. Does allow manufactures to tack on a few more $$ because of them though.

    For me small was in but now my eyesight has informed me bigger is better LOL. There is a limit though as to how much bigger and thankfully moving towards bezel-less has help keep sizes manageable.

    One of the big problems is, many people (including me LOL) want the latest and greatest (which usually translates into most expensive) yet most rarely use said device to its fullest... The funny thing is, then 9 months or so down the road we toss in the towel opting for the next model that was just released because its even shinier LOL.

    Then there's updates/support which most manufactures still suck at imo. Owned several devices over past 1-3 years that manufactures claim they'll provide "monthly security patches" for 2 years, may start out w/good intentions but never stays on an even keel missing several over the course. So yeah, if they don't get the lead out in this regard then that'll be another reason for keeping a device current... damned if we do damned if we don't.
    I completely agree with you.

    With devices becoming more and more expensive - and, as you've mentioned, getting more and more gimmicks that you may and may not want or want to put up with - it's becoming harder and harder to make a choice that you will stick with for 1-2 years.

    It was harder for me to find a new phone in 2019. It was easier for me to grab the Pixel 2... But with some of the gimmicks/new features coming out - sliding cameras, disappearing camera bumps, in-display fingerprint scanners (which I now love) - it was difficult for me to choose, and I know I'll have a harder time in 2021 or whenever I choose to upgrade again. And with phones getting bigger, it'll be even harder!
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    01-19-2020 01:26 PM
  23. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Yes I'm sure their prices vs specs was a deterrent for many. Will say though, my Motion was somewhat of a wolf in sheep's clothing, great daily performer, dependable software, and its battery was a beast. The Motion is what actually opened my eyes to the fact one doesn't necessarily need the most powerful, or expensive, in an attempt at getting it done.

    Not much into PKB's neither but always wanted to try a KEYone so bought a Silver Edition new hugely discounted, imo it too is a great performer with a long-lasting battery... Camera wasn't all that bad either wishing it had made its way to the Motion.

    KEY2/LE didn't entice much mainly due to their pricing but also had an inkling TCL/BBMo was still skimping in the camera department, pretty sure that was the case.

    These days I'm still rockin' my P20 Pro as a daily driver, still a stellar performer imo and the camera(s) are best I've owned (main reasons I find it hard to let go). Have the P20 too for those times when we prefer to carry something smaller. Also purchased the LG G8X ThinQ w/DualScreen because it intrigued LOL. Motion, KEYone, and Pixel 2 XL are at the ready as well if there's a need hehehe. As you can already see I got a problem yet none came close to the 1K or above price tags some are garnering and all were purchased new. Although it may not seem like it I find myself using devices for considerably longer from say 2 years ago, just got to curb my spending habits and the urge to buy something new .
    Well, I definitely agree that you have devices with excellent cameras with the P20 Pro, Pixel 2,and G8. Since I only have one device at a time, I won't get one that has a mediocre camera for the price, which is what I thought of the TCL/BBMo devices.
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    01-19-2020 02:04 PM
  24. mustang7757's Avatar
    I agree. The difference between the midrange and top is negligible.
    Yeah , I mean might lose out on latest chip or wireless charging but you have to make the decision if the extra money is worth it to you otherwise there are some pretty outstanding mid range devices out there .
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    01-19-2020 02:07 PM
  25. TgeekB's Avatar
    Well, I definitely agree that you have devices with excellent cameras with the P20 Pro, Pixel 2,and G8. Since I only have one device at a time, I won't get one that has a mediocre camera for the price, which is what I thought of the TCL/BBMo devices.
    Cameras on phones don't entice me. Most, to me, are decent enough. It's not like I take a picture with my Nokia 7.1 and it looks horrible. I have a dedicated camera for times I know I need one. For others I understand a phone camera is important and will have to spend a little more for what they want. Good to have choices!
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    01-19-2020 02:20 PM
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