08-28-2013 12:02 AM
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  1. Farish's Avatar
    The only thing about using cloud storage is that my photo albums are in iPhoto. So I have to export the albums from iPhoto to the cloud storage (e.g. a Dropbox folder) which duplicates content. But perhaps I can give up iPhoto and use Picasa instead, or something else for photo management.

    I'm surprised nobody talked about Picasa here. I thought that was the main Google photo management application. Is that not true anymore?

    doug
    Until Google did their unified storage Picasa only gave you 1gb of storage for free. Also in order to get unlimited storage in Google Plus you have to allow the resolution of your pictures to be shrunk.

    The way Google has been improving Google + photo enhancement and other photo related features (This is just speculation), I wouldn't be surprised if Picasa doesn't get shuttered in the future as they have done with other projects like Messenger/Talk replaced with Hangouts.
    08-21-2013 09:32 AM
  2. douglerner's Avatar
    Until Google did their unified storage Picasa only gave you 1gb of storage for free. Also in order to get unlimited storage in Google Plus you have to allow the resolution of your pictures to be shrunk.

    The way Google has been improving Google + photo enhancement and other photo related features (This is just speculation), I wouldn't be surprised if Picasa doesn't get shuttered in the future as they have done with other projects like Messenger/Talk replaced with Hangouts.
    I feel uncomfortable using Google+ as a photo repository because it's basically a place for sharing and I don't want to accidentally share my photos.

    I was surprised about the Messenger/Talk Hangouts thing. I didn't notice that until today when I got messaged on my Nexus and didn't even know I was online there in a GoogleTalk account I set up on my Mac. I could reply, but still don't see how to get there to begin with.

    doug
    08-21-2013 09:49 AM
  3. DrWu's Avatar
    You are basically just rehashing my argument against anyone getting themselves involved in the Apple Ecosystem to begin with. I have been preaching this for a decade - long before Android was even a thing I would exude the virtues of music services that provided files that could be played on any device - not just iPods. The problem then was the iPod was just so much better than anything else available - now that they no longer hold the distinction of having the best hardware - Apple's biggest asset is that they have locked you and everyone who has ever downloaded music or movies into never leaving Apple. You're stuck. "Good Guy Apple" would go ahead and release an "iTunes for Android" app and that would solve all of your issues. Apple obviously wouldn't do that because they're not "Good", in fact, they suck. They want to be your sole provider of content. they want to control it, they want to control you, they always have, that has been their end game for the past 20 years.

    The good news is - They are losing the battle - every day we see reports that Apple is losing market share, someday I hope they are forced to release something along the lines of "itunes for android" in order to just stay in the content provider game. Some day.
    08-21-2013 12:06 PM
  4. Farish's Avatar
    You are basically just rehashing my argument against anyone getting themselves involved in the Apple Ecosystem to begin with. I have been preaching this for a decade - long before Android was even a thing I would exude the virtues of music services that provided files that could be played on any device - not just iPods. The problem then was the iPod was just so much better than anything else available - now that they no longer hold the distinction of having the best hardware - Apple's biggest asset is that they have locked you and everyone who has ever downloaded music or movies into never leaving Apple. You're stuck. "Good Guy Apple" would go ahead and release an "iTunes for Android" app and that would solve all of your issues. Apple obviously wouldn't do that because they're not "Good", in fact, they suck. They want to be your sole provider of content. they want to control it, they want to control you, they always have, that has been their end game for the past 20 years.

    The good news is - They are losing the battle - every day we see reports that Apple is losing market share, someday I hope they are forced to release something along the lines of "itunes for android" in order to just stay in the content provider game. Some day.
    Music and Movies have DRM because of the industries themselves. Here for example an article back in 2008 talking about how when Apple approached the music industry, this was required of them.

    How Apple is changing DRM | Technology | The Guardian
    When Apple approached record companies about selling their music digitally five years ago, they "were extremely cautious and required Apple to protect their music from being illegally copied",
    The one of the reasons why the music industry got rid of DRM was because they realize that Apple was becoming too large and they need more competition from different stores but DRM was becoming an unintended roadblock.

    As soon as the music industry got rid of DRM as a whole, Apple got rid of it also.

    Movies is the same way. Vudu, Google Play, iTunes, have a lot of restrictions on what you can and can't do with it because of DRM. Right now for example if you rent or buy a movie through youtube, you can't even watch it through the PS3 youtube app. Instead you would have to hook up your Android device through HDMI to watch your purchased show.

    So even though there is a solution, you have to choose Android's method of choice.
    The truth is that you have to conform to your ecosystem whether you like it or not and this idea of openness is really more of a myth.
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    08-21-2013 02:11 PM
  5. paintdrinkingpete's Avatar
    I read through most of this....I tend to agree in part with most of the points brought up here.

    The fact is, it would probably be just as hard for a person immersed in Google/Android's ecosystem (i.e. myself) to switch to an iPhone/iPad. Yeah, I know a lot of folks already use both, but if you were strictly one or the other for quite a while, it probably would be a challenge to get all your services setup for use.

    Google tends to focus on a completely cloud based experience, though there are always alternatives if you choose to use other services, such as using Dropbox for photo backup instead of Google+, or even setting up a wired sync with your computer.

    The thing is, if you are like me and use all of Google's services, everything works very well together, I can take a pic, and then easily pull it out of Google+ later to send in an email, even if I'm at my computer; I can upload files to Google drive from my PC. and then easily attach them to emails when I'm on the road and limited to my phone from Gmail....without even needed to download the file to my phone first.
    08-21-2013 09:06 PM
  6. douglerner's Avatar
    The thing is, if you are like me and use all of Google's services, everything works very well together, I can take a pic, and then easily pull it out of Google+ later to send in an email, even if I'm at my computer; I can upload files to Google drive from my PC. and then easily attach them to emails when I'm on the road and limited to my phone from Gmail....without even needed to download the file to my phone first.
    What do you do about organizing photos into albums, just to show them to friends or look at them yourself for your own enjoyment?

    doug
    08-21-2013 09:27 PM
  7. douglerner's Avatar
    Until Google did their unified storage Picasa only gave you 1gb of storage for free. Also in order to get unlimited storage in Google Plus you have to allow the resolution of your pictures to be shrunk.

    The way Google has been improving Google + photo enhancement and other photo related features (This is just speculation), I wouldn't be surprised if Picasa doesn't get shuttered in the future as they have done with other projects like Messenger/Talk replaced with Hangouts.
    Picasa always seemed interesting to me as a possible alternative to iPhoto because it worked offline as well, as a desktop app on my Mac. And you could organize things, search for faces, create interesting projects, etc. It would be a shame if it is abandoned.

    Google+ seems to be oriented more towards just sharing stuff, which is my main hesitancy about adding all my photos there. I'm afraid things will accidentally get shared, and I only share a small percentage of photos I take.

    Google+ just seems to be purposed differently.

    doug
    08-21-2013 09:29 PM
  8. Farish's Avatar
    Picasa always seemed interesting to me as a possible alternative to iPhoto because it worked offline as well, as a desktop app on my Mac. And you could organize things, search for faces, create interesting projects, etc. It would be a shame if it is abandoned.

    Google+ seems to be oriented more towards just sharing stuff, which is my main hesitancy about adding all my photos there. I'm afraid things will accidentally get shared, and I only share a small percentage of photos I take.

    Google+ just seems to be purposed differently.

    doug
    In my opinion this their way to push you into their social network. And when it comes to Google plus one word comes to mind.


    Gross

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    08-22-2013 12:20 AM
  9. douglerner's Avatar
    In my opinion this their way to push you into their social network. And when it comes to Google plus one word comes to mind. Gross
    To me, the one word that comes to mind when I think of Google+ is "Ghost Town." Sorry, that's two words.

    doug
    08-22-2013 01:22 AM
  10. Rule9's Avatar
    To me, the one word that comes to mind when I think of Google+ is "Ghost Town." Sorry, that's two words.

    doug
    Not even close my friend, I took the time to follow a ton of circles and communities that cater to my interests in g+. Just one of those alone has nearly 200k members joined up. My feed is always busy. I get new posts popping up every few seconds while I'm scrolling through my feed. There's a lot of ongoing discussion to engage in and the tone is surprisingly civil
    08-22-2013 08:05 AM
  11. dc9super80's Avatar
    People talking about apple beekeeping bad for wanting to lock you in and Google good for making apps for everyone. You do realize that for apple to be profitable, they need to sell you hardware and for Google to be profitable, they need you to use their services. They both operate on entirely different business models. This has little to do with being good or bad.

    Tapatalking on the N7....
    08-22-2013 09:07 AM
  12. paintdrinkingpete's Avatar
    In my opinion this their way to push you into their social network. And when it comes to Google plus one word comes to mind.


    Gross

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    To me, the one word that comes to mind when I think of Google+ is "Ghost Town." Sorry, that's two words.

    doug
    The thing I think that many don't understand is that social networking is just one aspect/feature of Google+. Besides social networking, it's also acts as a "hub" for many Google services; this is evident by the way that many services that were once stand-alone features (Talk, Picassa) are now being integrated into it. This doesn't mean you have "share" everything you do, and technically those services still operate the same way they did before, granted with slightly altered interfaces and feature sets, but if you do want to embrace the social aspect of it, then it's easy to do because everything is integrated.

    If you want to completely ignore the "social" aspect of it, it's quite easy to do so.

    And to be honest, I find Google+ as a much better social networking site than either Facebook or Twitter, the two most popular today, because it tends to combine the best of both worlds. You can choose to keep a very intimate profile shared only amongst your friends, or broadcast your messages to the public, and you can follow a lot of great public feeds. I'm not a very social networking guy myself, but I do see the value in it. Google+ hasn't been the widely adopted as social network, that's for sure, but I still really like the platform and I've actually developed a lot of "professional" contacts there that I never would have on FB.
    08-22-2013 09:40 AM
  13. RickInHouston's Avatar
    Uh, I stopped at this, "Android really needs something equivalent to iTunes. iTunes is perhaps under-appreciated. At least it was by me."

    Wow, just wow. Tunes is the worst thing to happen to computing EVER.

    ... and, of course, this is MY opinion.
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    08-22-2013 09:56 AM
  14. bearda's Avatar
    Uh, I stopped at this, "Android really needs something equivalent to iTunes. iTunes is perhaps under-appreciated. At least it was by me."

    Wow, just wow. Tunes is the worst thing to happen to computing EVER.

    ... and, of course, this is MY opinion.
    A lot of people like it. In terms of a solution to sync between a device and a music library it works pretty well. Yeah, there's a lot of bloat there. But for the average user who uses it long enough to plug in an iPod it's functional.
    08-22-2013 10:30 AM
  15. HalizDad's Avatar
    While I am greatly enjoying the Nexus 7 so far, I think the answer to one of my original questions: "How locked am I into the Apple ecosystem" turns out to be "very locked." More than I thought.

    This is all due to there not being a Mac equivalent of iTunes for the Nexus which deals with music, photo albums and backup/restores.

    For example:
    But this only works as long as you don't have a lot of DRM protected music purchased pre-2009 from the Apple store. If you do, you have to unlock the old purchases. I did that by burning CDs and re-importing them. Apple has a paid Match service for this, but a lot of the older purchases were NLA (no longer available) so this was the only way. Also, this only works for playlists, so you have to create playlists for whatever you want to sync. But it does work, and isn't too bad. It's quite nice actually.
    Poweramp plays drm protected musics from the iTunes...I do it all the time.
    08-22-2013 10:39 AM
  16. jamontoast1291's Avatar
    I'm a mac user, but I haven't really had any issues. I don't use iPhoto though, Picasa is much better imo. I begrudgingly still use iTunes from my years of iPods, but I use google music on my phone and besides the playlist syncing issue it seems to be a suitable replacement. I don't really sync anything else with my mac...contacts have been syncing with google since my Droid. I guess the backup thing is nice, but I use titanium backup when wiping/installing new ROMS, but besides that I never really had a need for a backup. I think for people that use and rely on iPhoto, iTunes, etc it could be a hassle, but I haven't had any problems so far.
    08-22-2013 02:06 PM
  17. paintdrinkingpete's Avatar
    Uh, I stopped at this, "Android really needs something equivalent to iTunes. iTunes is perhaps under-appreciated. At least it was by me."

    Wow, just wow. Tunes is the worst thing to happen to computing EVER.

    ... and, of course, this is MY opinion.
    A lot of people like it. In terms of a solution to sync between a device and a music library it works pretty well. Yeah, there's a lot of bloat there. But for the average user who uses it long enough to plug in an iPod it's functional.
    I agree to a point about the sync solution, however simply as an application itself, iTunes is the worst (and has been since the iPod days). Maybe it works better on a Mac..?
    08-22-2013 02:15 PM
  18. jerrykur's Avatar
    I agree to a point about the sync solution, however simply as an application itself, iTunes is the worst (and has been since the iPod days). Maybe it works better on a Mac..?
    No it is the same $#%% on the Mac. I never use iTunes on my Macs. I don't want my PCs and tablets or phones dependent upon each other. I just upload my ripped CDs to Google Music so they are available on my devices or stream/download from Spotify Premium.
    08-22-2013 02:21 PM
  19. Andrawer's Avatar
    "locked into the Apple ECO System?"...not hardly in my case.

    I've used Apple computers continuously since '84 either as developer and typical user but also like to keep my toes into other computer environments so, like many, use apple/microsoft/google products and really don't have problems.

    I don't worry about "backing up" in the least my Nexus7 (or smartphones) since I consider my iMac (itunes+iphoto) as my main repository for ALL OF my music and photos and documents. So, if I need to rebuild my tablet/smartphone devices I simply reload content via inexpensive apps like isyncr or AirDroid (etc).

    I also use google+ and dropbox's auto upload features for photos/created on my tablets. I simply delete what I don't want on google+ plus and if I have images on dropbox that I want permanently it gets imported into iPhoto then deleted on dropbox. Not automatic but I don't mind.

    Everyone uses their computers in different ways of course but I just wanted to point out that just because I've used APple products for literally decades I certainly am not LOCKED into Apple.

    sidenote: not to state the obvious but I see Picasa referenced a lot in this thread but Google+ Photos has now replaced Picasa Web (where I used to store photos for sharing purposes). Maybe everyone meant the client version of Picasa?
    08-22-2013 04:30 PM
  20. dicx's Avatar
    "locked into the Apple ECO System?"...not hardly in my case.

    I've used Apple computers continuously since '84 either as developer and typical user but also like to keep my toes into other computer environments so, like many, use apple/microsoft/google products and really don't have problems.


    I don't worry about "backing up" in the least my Nexus7 (or smartphones) since I consider my iMac (itunes+iphoto) as my main repository for ALL OF my music and photos and documents. So, if I need to rebuild my tablet/smartphone devices I simply reload content via inexpensive apps like isyncr or AirDroid (etc).

    I also use google+ and dropbox's auto upload features for photos/created on my tablets. I simply delete what I don't want on google+ plus and if I have images on dropbox that I want permanently it gets imported into iPhoto then deleted on dropbox. Not automatic but I don't mind.

    Everyone uses their computers in different ways of course but I just wanted to point out that just because I've used APple products for literally decades I certainly am not LOCKED into Apple.

    sidenote: not to state the obvious but I see Picasa referenced a lot in this thread but Google+ Photos has now replaced Picasa Web (where I used to store photos for sharing purposes). Maybe everyone meant the client version of Picasa?
    Same boat, since the 1st Macintosh. The nexus 7 is my first non Apple product. Very sunk by the eco system. The way I got out of it?

    1. Google Music manager to sync with iTunes (Still use a Macbook Pro)
    2. iPhoto, switched to Lightroom. I never liked it when Apple changed the photo hierarchy to a single package container. My library is over 400GB.
    3. For photo back up I subscribe to smugmug.com. Unlimited full resolution pics AND movies. The Android app is so much better than the ios App. Plus Lightroom has a native plugin for syncing, iPhoto you are stuck with an exporter.
    4. I do use Google drive a lot.
    5. Microsoft OneNote I don't think gets the press it deserves.

    I really like the nexus better than my old iPad.
    08-22-2013 09:15 PM
  21. douglerner's Avatar
    Same boat, since the 1st Macintosh. The nexus 7 is my first non Apple product. Very sunk by the eco system. The way I got out of it?

    1. Google Music manager to sync with iTunes (Still use a Macbook Pro)
    2. iPhoto, switched to Lightroom. I never liked it when Apple changed the photo hierarchy to a single package container. My library is over 400GB.
    3. For photo back up I subscribe to smugmug.com. Unlimited full resolution pics AND movies. The Android app is so much better than the ios App. Plus Lightroom has a native plugin for syncing, iPhoto you are stuck with an exporter.
    4. I do use Google drive a lot.
    5. Microsoft OneNote I don't think gets the press it deserves.

    I really like the nexus better than my old iPad.
    Some random comments:

    I am also using the Google Music manager so far. It seems sufficient for my use. It is easy to use at any rate. Of course international users have some roadblocks to using it.

    Lightroom is a paid solution, isn't it?

    I should check out smugmug. I do like having my own personal backup of photos and albums though. They go back decades.

    What do you use OneNote for? I like using Evernote.

    And about Picasa - what's the deal? I do have the client, and never used sharing. With the above-mentioned de-emphasis of Picasa in favor of Google+ what happens to albums? You can create private albums in Google+? I am hesitant about dumping stuff into a social network and just hoping it remains private.

    doug
    08-22-2013 09:32 PM
  22. Farish's Avatar
    Some random comments:

    I am also using the Google Music manager so far. It seems sufficient for my use. It is easy to use at any rate. Of course international users have some roadblocks to using it.

    Lightroom is a paid solution, isn't it?

    I should check out smugmug. I do like having my own personal backup of photos and albums though. They go back decades.

    What do you use OneNote for? I like using Evernote.

    And about Picasa - what's the deal? I do have the client, and never used sharing. With the above-mentioned de-emphasis of Picasa in favor of Google+ what happens to albums? You can create private albums in Google+? I am hesitant about dumping stuff into a social network and just hoping it remains private.

    doug
    Lightroom is paid, think of it as an advance photo management tool with photo adjustment tools on a more advance level than picasa and adobe elements. It is geared towards professional photographers and higher end hobbyists.

    Might as well check out Flickr it gives you 1terabyte of photostorage plus private albums for free. Don't know how well it works, I haven't used it.

    Onenote is part of the Microsoft office suite. It has been improved greatly over the years but part of the bad reputation has do with the way it was originally implemented.
    I use Evernote premium and I think it is a much better solution especially with the fact to get the most out of Onenote you need an office 365 or sharepoint account for syncing.

    With regards to private phootos on Google Plus

    https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1361948?hl=en

    - - - Updated - - -

    Some random comments:

    I am also using the Google Music manager so far. It seems sufficient for my use. It is easy to use at any rate. Of course international users have some roadblocks to using it.

    Lightroom is a paid solution, isn't it?

    I should check out smugmug. I do like having my own personal backup of photos and albums though. They go back decades.

    What do you use OneNote for? I like using Evernote.

    And about Picasa - what's the deal? I do have the client, and never used sharing. With the above-mentioned de-emphasis of Picasa in favor of Google+ what happens to albums? You can create private albums in Google+? I am hesitant about dumping stuff into a social network and just hoping it remains private.

    doug
    Lightroom is paid, think of it as an advance photo management tool with photo adjustment tools on a more advance level than picasa and adobe elements. It is geared towards professional photographers and higher end hobbyists.

    Might as well check out Flickr it gives you 1terabyte of photostorage plus private albums for free. Don't know how well it works, I haven't used it.

    Onenote is part of the Microsoft office suite. It has been improved greatly over the years but part of the bad reputation has do with the way it was originally implemented.
    I use Evernote premium and I think it is a much better solution especially with the fact to get the most out of Onenote you need an office 365 or sharepoint account for syncing.

    With regards to private phootos on Google Plus

    https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1361948?hl=en
    08-22-2013 11:46 PM
  23. Diknak's Avatar
    Yes, Google+ is designed for sharing, but that doesn't mean that everything you put on there is for the purpose of being shared. The entire photo album section is 100% private unless you explicitly share the picture or the entire album. Nothing gets shared automatically. Facebook works the same way, but they aren't pushing and showcasing the photo storage like Google is, so that's why there seems to be a stigma with it.

    In fact, if you are looking at sharing an album with certain people, Google+ is way better at doing that than any other service because when you share it, you specify the circle (like family) and/or individual people.
    08-23-2013 12:07 PM
  24. dicx's Avatar
    Lightroom costs around $79 if you have an .edu address. $134 if not. The thing I like about Lightroom is that it does not destroy your hierarchy. iPhoto makes a big library file. Lightroom just keeps a catalog file of where your photos are and then keeps another file for changes (rotations, edits, etc.)

    I use One note for quick note taking and saving to sky drive. I also use the free Kingston Office app. It saves to GDrive. Just depends on your workflow which storage solution you use.

    smugmug.com does have a 15 day trial. No commitment. Lightroom has a 30 day trial too.
    08-23-2013 04:00 PM
  25. douglerner's Avatar
    Yes, Google+ is designed for sharing, but that doesn't mean that everything you put on there is for the purpose of being shared. The entire photo album section is 100% private unless you explicitly share the picture or the entire album. Nothing gets shared automatically. Facebook works the same way, but they aren't pushing and showcasing the photo storage like Google is, so that's why there seems to be a stigma with it.

    In fact, if you are looking at sharing an album with certain people, Google+ is way better at doing that than any other service because when you share it, you specify the circle (like family) and/or individual people.
    With Facebook albums, I believe you can only share with people who are on Facebook, right? Unless there is some way of marking an album as public. I imagine there must be. I still would not want to just keep all my photos on Facebook. I would feel hesitant about the security.

    I feel the same way about Google plus. To me, it just doesn't seem to be designed for that purpose. I wouldn't want to keep my entire collection of photos, some 40 GB plus of data, upon Google plus. In fact, I don't think I want to put my entire collection of photos, including all my family photos going back decades, up on the cloud somewhere necessarily. What I would like to do, is just have a convenient way of keepin certain albums on my Nexus 7.

    For sharing photos, I can think of lots of ways of doing that. Including dropbox links.

    For now my main interest is just having a way of syncing some photo albums to my Nexus, like I do with my iPhone or iPad.
    08-23-2013 07:15 PM
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