Does the lack of LTE Bands on the Moto X Pure Edition bother you?

[BiggAW]

Hmm.. I've done research, but I am unsure if this claim is correct. According to several sources, the xt1095 is the same as the xt1097 in terms of internals and bands except of the following:

XT1095 (GSM Unlocked US Pure edition), UMTS Bands (850/900/1700/1900/2100), LTE Bands (2/3/4/5/7/17/29) [Sim unlocked and capatable with most GSM networks including AT&T and T-Mobile; LTE bands software restricted to 2/4/17]

XT1097 (AT&T US, Retail Brazil), UMTS Bands (850,900,1700,1900,2100), LTE Bands (2/3/4/5/7/17/29) [The AT&T doesn't support LTE band 29 (software restricted) and is SIM locked whereas the non-US variants are SIM unlocked]

With all this information we can conclude that it is software restricting the xt1095 to bands 2/4/17 for LTE, and that the xt1097 is restricted to bands 2/3/4/5/7/17 for LTE. As for the actual carriers AT&T and T-Mobile, they use the following bands for LTE:

AT&T: 2, 4, 17
T-Mobile: 2, 4, 12 (seems that band 12 isn't well spread)

As you may notice, bands 3, 5, and 7 are worldwide bands used in other countries, and the new pure edition phone is good enough to cover the at&t and T-Mobile spectrum, except for band 12 which is one of T-Mobile's bands.

From my understanding, the pure edition isn't well fitted for global use unless motorola opens more bands for the 1095 through software.

With all of this said, I am unsure what to go with between the xt1095 or the xt1097. I like the concept of the xt1095, but I would like the 3/5/7 bands. However, I am more curious to see if the xt1092 will be some sort of international pure edition with the LTE bands 2/4/5/12/17/25/26/41. If I am not mistaken, this could work for at&t, sprint, T-Mobile, China mainland, and many other countries, and I wouldn't mind being patient for this baby.

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If you had actually read this thread or done some research on other sites, you would know that AT&T uses Band 5 in some rural areas in the United States. It could be used in other countries in the Western Hemisphere who use the 850/1900 system, I'm not sure if it actually is. But it's function for the sake of this discussion is for AT&T's domestic LTE network in areas like Vermont and Northwest Lower Michigan, probably among a few others. US Cellular also uses it to get LTE on the iPhone, which is not compatible with their own B12 LTE deployment that their Android phones use, although that's irrelevant to our discussion, as they are primarily a CDMA network, so an unlocked B5 LTE/HSPA+/GSM device wouldn't work on their network. Also irrelevant is the fact that Verizon will eventually use it, but due to their contiguous block of B13 746mhz spectrum, as well as large AWS holdings, their need for B5 is long-term, and does not affect their current or near-term operations. B5 will be their last band to be moved over to LTE, after parts of B2 are reclaimed from their current use with EVDO.

You would also have found out that B29 is AT&T's unpaired spectrum, which will be utilized through Carrier Aggregation. Whether the Moto X will be able to use B29 through a future software update enabling CA, I'm not sure.

This still leaves the mystery as to why the Pure Edition is so crippled, and not fully compatible with AT&T's domestic LTE network.

 

[spiff_p239]

I am having issues with my Pure Edition. I can't seem to get any LTE at all. I had to get a new sim from AT&T, and they activated it, but no data at all. Then I changed APN settings to what cgardnervt posted. I now have 4G, but no LTE. My N5 had LTE from my house. AT&T rep said maybe the Moto X doesn't show the LTE icon?

Downloaded the LTE Discovery app, and it says i'm on HSPA+

Anybody else have this problem?

After entering the APN info displayed above, I am in the exact same boat but that may make sense since I do live in Michigan. My Lumia 1020 had LTE coverage before it was deactivated so it is probably the band 5 issue keeping me from getting LTE connectivity.

 

[BiggAW]

After entering the APN info displayed above, I am in the exact same boat but that may make sense since I do live in Michigan. My Lumia 1020 had LTE coverage before it was deactivated so it is probably the band 5 issue keeping me from getting LTE connectivity.

Where in Michigan are you? If the B5 issue is stopping you from getting LTE, your HSPA+ coverage on the B5-less device should be nearly identical to the LTE coverage on an LTE device...

EDIT: Use LTE discovery to show what band you are on with the N5.

 

[globster2000]

If you had actually read this thread or done some research on other sites, you would know that AT&T uses Band 5 in some rural areas in the United States. It could be used in other countries in the Western Hemisphere who use the 850/1900 system, I'm not sure if it actually is. But it's function for the sake of this discussion is for AT&T's domestic LTE network in areas like Vermont and Northwest Lower Michigan, probably among a few others. US Cellular also uses it to get LTE on the iPhone, which is not compatible with their own B12 LTE deployment that their Android phones use, although that's irrelevant to our discussion, as they are primarily a CDMA network, so an unlocked B5 LTE/HSPA+/GSM device wouldn't work on their network. Also irrelevant is the fact that Verizon will eventually use it, but due to their contiguous block of B13 746mhz spectrum, as well as large AWS holdings, their need for B5 is long-term, and does not affect their current or near-term operations. B5 will be their last band to be moved over to LTE, after parts of B2 are reclaimed from their current use with EVDO.

You would also have found out that B29 is AT&T's unpaired spectrum, which will be utilized through Carrier Aggregation. Whether the Moto X will be able to use B29 through a future software update enabling CA, I'm not sure.

This still leaves the mystery as to why the Pure Edition is so crippled, and not fully compatible with AT&T's domestic LTE network.

Interesting thank you. I didn't know about band 5 being used in rural areas, and I do agree that the pure edition does seem a bit crippled for a T-Mobile and AT&T variant. As for software changes to the actual bands, I doubt they will change the current spectrum for the bands, and I think, although I hate at&t's logo, that the xt1097 would be a better choice for an at&t user who lives in or travels in rural areas.

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[spiff_p239]

Where in Michigan are you? If the B5 issue is stopping you from getting LTE, your HSPA+ coverage on the B5-less device should be nearly identical to the LTE coverage on an LTE device...

EDIT: Use LTE discovery to show what band you are on with the N5.

I'm in Metro Detroit (about 20 miles from downtown) but no longer have the Nexus 5 so I cannot tell you what band of LTE we use here. The HSPA+ does seem to be pretty quick so far.

 

[cgardnervt]

Interesting thank you. I didn't know about band 5 being used in rural areas, and I do agree that the pure edition does seem a bit crippled for a T-Mobile and AT&T variant. As for software changes to the actual bands, I doubt they will change the current spectrum for the bands, and I think, although I hate at&t's logo, that the xt1097 would be a better choice for an at&t user who lives in or travels in rural areas.

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As a band 5 LTE user here in VT I'm sticking it out with the Pure Edition. I think it will be just fine. When I get some real life testing I will chime in and let you all know.

 

[definitelyian]

So we've definitely confirmed that the ATT version when purchased outside of contract is SIM locked? I really need an unlocked version to use with my Rogers SIM in Canada when visiting frequently, but do not want to sacrifice band 5 with the pure edition since I know it's used in areas near me.

 

[cgardnervt]

So we've definitely confirmed that the ATT version when purchased outside of contract is SIM locked? I really need an unlocked version to use with my Rogers SIM in Canada when visiting frequently, but do not want to sacrifice band 5 with the pure edition since I know it's used in areas near me.

It is but if you pay for it in full and call them they will more than likely give you the unlock code. I got the unlock code for my HTC One M7 the day I got it. Just be nice about it.

 

[definitelyian]

Awesome! Thanks!

 

[rbraun]

Similar to grayzweb and others, I have a Pure Edition with AT&T SIM, updated the APN to phone, and also see 4G but no LTE. LTE Discovery shows HSPA but LTE as N/A. I spent some quality time on the phone with AT&T but they were confused because they haven't seen the phone before, and indicated that the IMEI indicated it wasn't LTE capable. For reference, I am in Chicago so don't think the missing bands are the issue. Could this be a provisioning issue on AT&T's end?

 

[psb12123]

Interesting thank you. I didn't know about band 5 being used in rural areas, and I do agree that the pure edition does seem a bit crippled for a T-Mobile and AT&T variant. As for software changes to the actual bands, I doubt they will change the current spectrum for the bands, and I think, although I hate at&t's logo, that the xt1097 would be a better choice for an at&t user who lives in or travels in rural areas.

I am a noob to all these details - and desperately need to upgrade my samsung SII and get off the weak local carrier I'm on now. I'm in the same boat - thinking that the XT1097 would be the better choice if I go Motorola. I did get this from motorola customer support chat a few moments ago:

"Upon checking here, the Moto X pure edition is like the Developer Edition of the new Moto X+1 and and the difference between the 4G LTE of the devices, the AT&T Moto X+1 has a better coverage compare to the pure edition when it comes to the 4G LTE"

 

[weksa]

Similar to grayzweb and others, I have a Pure Edition with AT&T SIM, updated the APN to phone, and also see 4G but no LTE. LTE Discovery shows HSPA but LTE as N/A. I spent some quality time on the phone with AT&T but they were confused because they haven't seen the phone before, and indicated that the IMEI indicated it wasn't LTE capable. For reference, I am in Chicago so don't think the missing bands are the issue. Could this be a provisioning issue on AT&T's end?

Check out this (currently short) discussion on G+: https://plus.google.com/111799507032343481045/posts/HeuuRKxTviZ. People are using IMEI from other phones. Like you suggested, AT&T probably isn't recognizing the new Moto X as LTE capable.

 

[cgardnervt]

Check out this (currently short) discussion on G+: https://plus.google.com/111799507032343481045/posts/HeuuRKxTviZ. People are using IMEI from other phones. Like you suggested, AT&T probably isn't recognizing the new Moto X as LTE capable.

Great find!

 

[globster2000]

As a band 5 LTE user here in VT I'm sticking it out with the Pure Edition. I think it will be just fine. When I get some real life testing I will chime in and let you all know.

Sweet. I'm curious because I sometimes travel to rural areas to visit family.

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[rusty136]

My wireless service is from Consumer Cellular, which is an MVNO using the ATT network. The APN settings are the same as ATT's, except for a different APN name ( not *phone* ). My Moto X Pure Edition is working just fine on LTE, and I did give the Customer Service rep the Moto X IMEI. Sounds like ATT's reps just don't know how to handle it.

 

[BiggAW]

I'm in Metro Detroit (about 20 miles from downtown) but no longer have the Nexus 5 so I cannot tell you what band of LTE we use here. The HSPA+ does seem to be pretty quick so far.

That's a B17 market. You should have no issues with any of the unlocked Moto X versions, or older AT&T phones that are 4/17 only.

It varies by county, but in Wayne County, AT&T has B17 only, with what appears to be two 5x5 blocks that are contiguous, so they must be running a 10x10. Must be lower B and C blocks. In Washtenaw, they have the same situation. I know from personal experience that AT&T's LTE in Wayne and Washtenaw counties can be extremely fast, often clocking in well north of 30mbps, occasionally over 50.

As a band 5 LTE user here in VT I'm sticking it out with the Pure Edition. I think it will be just fine. When I get some real life testing I will chime in and let you all know.

You're not going to be happy not having LTE when you could have had LTE... The phone may act a little bit bizarre too if they put up a B2 5x5 and you're constantly bouncing from LTE to HSPA+ and back again.

 

[grayzweb]

Check out this (currently short) discussion on G+: https://plus.google.com/111799507032343481045/posts/HeuuRKxTviZ. People are using IMEI from other phones. Like you suggested, AT&T probably isn't recognizing the new Moto X as LTE capable.

Thanks.

I just finished online chat with att. Wanted to know where I got my Motorola Victoria.

Anyhow I had them switch imei to my N5. I'll see how it goes.

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[BiggAW]

Check out this (currently short) discussion on G+: https://plus.google.com/111799507032343481045/posts/HeuuRKxTviZ. People are using IMEI from other phones. Like you suggested, AT&T probably isn't recognizing the new Moto X as LTE capable.

Shouldn't matter as long as your account is set up for an LTE phone. Mine is set up for an SGS III, and my iPhone 4s and Moto G both work fine on it.

 

[grayzweb]

Shouldn't matter as long as your account is set up for an LTE phone. Mine is set up for an SGS III, and my iPhone 4s and Moto G both work fine on it.

Probably wouldn't if you use same Sim card. But I had to get new one because I didn't have nano Sim. So they set up account for whatever the new imei # is. In this case they don't recognize the new moto x

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[BiggAW]

Probably wouldn't if you use same Sim card. But I had to get new one because I didn't have nano Sim. So they set up account for whatever the new imei # is. In this case they don't recognize the new moto x

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Yeah, they screwed something up. Sounds like your line isn't set up for an LTE phone at all right now. Once you get that fixed, it should work with any LTE phone...