08-29-2011 01:40 AM
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  1. ultravisitor's Avatar
    In case no one has seen it on twitter, user Miami1683 made a warranty claim on his device with Verizon and got backcharged today. He was charged full retail price and won't be getting the phone back -- AND he flashed it back to stock settings! Be careful, folks...

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    06-16-2011 09:43 PM
  2. wildman's Avatar
    Seen this coming because users was throwing the root word around on Verizon site like crazy and also a number of customer was coming on Verizon forum and asking how to do GB update from a rooted device... They was bringing to much attention to rooted devices.

    Not to forget the number of users that sent device back still rooted...

    Im just surprised it took this long...
    06-16-2011 10:22 PM
  3. ultravisitor's Avatar
    What is surprising to me is that they backcharged someone who had returned his device back to stock settings. That really sucks. Just have to be careful what you're posting and where you're posting, I guess.
    06-16-2011 10:27 PM
  4. Ricky Babalu's Avatar
    Someone explain to me how Verizon is able to tell if a phone has been rooted, since he flashed back to stock? Something tells me he forgot to get rid of "Superuser"!
    06-16-2011 10:34 PM
  5. dvader's Avatar
    if it's stock then how did they know it was rooted?
    06-16-2011 10:35 PM
  6. Johnly's Avatar
    Yup, if you break it and can't sbf it, you deserve to pay, not VZW.
    06-16-2011 10:41 PM
  7. wildman's Avatar
    I am waiting to see the first post of the user saying they was charged 1000.00 for the 50 gig illegal tethering... I see it coming and the ones that keep using the argument about them paying for unlimited data will see they don't have anything to stand on...
    06-16-2011 10:51 PM
  8. JkdJedi's Avatar
    Yup, if you break it and can't sbf it, you deserve to pay, not VZW.
    bUT THEY KEPT HIS PHONE!
    06-16-2011 11:20 PM
  9. HeftyOrb's Avatar
    bUT THEY KEPT HIS PHONE!
    Yup. When you send your device back for a warranty replacement you CAN NOT retrieve your original device, or anything sent with it, ie: Memory cards. Even so, why would they send his original back to him now that they have given, and he is using a replacement device.

    But I agree that something had to have been left behind for them to know it was a rooted device.
    06-16-2011 11:44 PM
  10. RoboWarrior's Avatar
    Most likely it was still s-off

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    06-16-2011 11:54 PM
  11. kaefbaml's Avatar
    Man that sucks

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    06-17-2011 12:00 AM
  12. jerseyboy357's Avatar
    It's probably the first thing VZ checks for in that return/warranty department is if the phone has been modded in anyway. I'm sure they have ways of telling, even if you do un-root, flash back to stock, whatever the case. They have investments to protect as well as their "reputation", albeit not sure what that is exactly anymore with all the money they are making.
    And from what I've read in this thread so far about users blindly asking in a VZW forum or what have you how to un-root or go back to stock...that is their own...I cant think of a proper word but it weighs on VZW's side now in the battle against device customization on the user end, i.e MOST OF US! lol
    06-17-2011 06:26 AM
  13. xelhabb's Avatar
    Ok Brochachos,

    I am going to call shenanigans on that tale. Just like the posters who come on here with the fear mongering in regard to pirated tethering.

    I have absolutely no inside scoop, but I will lay money Moto, Samsung, etc have factored into their pricing a bit for warranty returns and sending you a refurbished replacement model doesn't hurt their profit margin in the slightest. However, If you do send back a bricked phone, you deserve to be manhandled.

    If there is any modicum of truth to this claim, I will wager this individual has made MANY warranty returns or sent in a unit he purchased off the internet or via a private sale under sketchy circumstances. Otherwise, a long term customer with a history of paying through contracts is going to get warranty replacements every time a legitimate claim is made.

    Let's keep in real in here.
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    06-17-2011 08:57 AM
  14. Sailmaker's Avatar
    Ok Brochachos,

    I am going to call shenanigans on that tale. Just like the posters who come on here with the fear mongering in regard to pirated tethering.

    I have absolutely no inside scoop, but I will lay money Moto, Samsung, etc have factored into their pricing a bit for warranty returns and sending you a refurbished replacement model doesn't hurt their profit margin in the slightest. However, If you do send back a bricked phone, you deserve to be manhandled.

    If there is any modicum of truth to this claim, I will wager this individual has made MANY warranty returns or sent in a unit he purchased off the internet or via a private sale under sketchy circumstances. Otherwise, a long term customer with a history of paying through contracts is going to get warranty replacements every time a legitimate claim is made.

    Let's keep in real in here.
    What xelhandroid is describing is aka LLPOF...
    Liar Liar Pants On Fire
    06-17-2011 09:26 AM
  15. xelhabb's Avatar
    Just an update on this shenanigans claim.

    According to sources from within Verizon the following is stated:

    #1. There is no policy that mandates checking for superuser access (root) on devices.
    #2 When a phone is received, it is checked for three things:
    * The box that the device was sent in is checked for damage
    * The exterior of the phone is checked for damage
    * The phone is checked for the ability to power up
    #3 If there is no sign of obvious user mishandling, the claim is honored

    Evidently, as I surmised in the previous post, these allegations of being charged back for sending in a rooted phone quality for the official Xelhandroid "SHENANIGANS" trademark seal as well as Sailmaker's "LLPOF" seal. This person probably sent in a handset under sketchy circumstances.
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    06-17-2011 10:16 AM
  16. JkdJedi's Avatar
    Ok Brochachos,

    I am going to call shenanigans on that tale. Just like the posters who come on here with the fear mongering in regard to pirated tethering.

    I have absolutely no inside scoop, but I will lay money Moto, Samsung, etc have factored into their pricing a bit for warranty returns and sending you a refurbished replacement model doesn't hurt their profit margin in the slightest. However, If you do send back a bricked phone, you deserve to be manhandled.

    If there is any modicum of truth to this claim, I will wager this individual has made MANY warranty returns or sent in a unit he purchased off the internet or via a private sale under sketchy circumstances. Otherwise, a long term customer with a history of paying through contracts is going to get warranty replacements every time a legitimate claim is made.

    Let's keep in real in here.
    I concur, we pay extended warrenty and such, and that itself pays for the phone so Verizon isn't losing anything under those circumstances.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
    06-17-2011 02:04 PM
  17. terpitude71's Avatar
    i can tell you that we sent in my wife's bootlooped original droid, which was rooted, and wasnt charged an extra cent at any point down the road. so i think there might be a little more to the story than the phone simply being rooted
    06-17-2011 09:56 PM
  18. wildman's Avatar
    I cant say if there was any truth to this that in fact lead to the possible charge (IF ANY), but on the same note that I cant believe that the company will continue forever to turn a blind eye to things like rooting the device and using unauthorized wireless tethering apps. If they were not showing any notice to these apps the market wouldn't be blocking it from Verizon's devices.

    If a company choose to pursue a policy that is covered under contract to void the customers warranty and make them not obligated to repair the device, this wouldn't be the first time a company have went that far to lean the control power to their favor.

    Other carriers have charged for unauthorized tethering so to believe it just cant happen isn't a realistic view.

    At the moment this practice hasn't been brought to the light but does not mean it wont happen...
    06-18-2011 02:36 AM
  19. RHChan84's Avatar
    according to dcma or whatever, you can root your phone. I just need to find the article and carriers can do nothing about it. Just like jailbreaking a phone. Now what you do after may void your warranted.
    06-19-2011 07:16 PM
  20. GlueFactoryBJJ's Avatar
    In case no one has seen it on twitter, user Miami1683 made a warranty claim on his device with Verizon and got backcharged today. He was charged full retail price and won't be getting the phone back -- AND he flashed it back to stock settings! Be careful, folks...

    Twitter
    OK, I couldn't find the post referenced. Did he get a warranty phone and then send back the rooted phone? If so, then it might make sense as it is clearly stated that you void your warranty when you root the phone (mine will be out of warranty in Aug.).

    However, what doesn't make sense is that the phone had a problem that required a warranty replacement AND he was still able to flash it before making the claim?!? That doesn't make sense.

    During the .596 soak, Moto, and by extension VZW, didn't seem to have a problem with rooting/SBFing. They just required that you be on .340 before receiving the OTA soak.

    Guess I'm going to have to be in the skeptical camp until more information is available.

    Scott
    06-21-2011 11:13 AM
  21. GlueFactoryBJJ's Avatar
    according to dcma or whatever, you can root your phone. I just need to find the article and carriers can do nothing about it. Just like jailbreaking a phone. Now what you do after may void your warranted.
    Actually, they can't prosecute you for doing so or refuse you service, but they can void your phone's warranty. Which is one of the points the validity of this topic is based upon.

    Scott
    06-21-2011 11:16 AM
  22. chevota84's Avatar
    I just don't see them checking for root when they receive a warranty device. Its not like this is a small operation, moto has millions of devices out and a good % go through warranty returns. It probably goes down a disassembly line of 9$/hr workers who take it apart and "refurb" it and return the device to service.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
    06-22-2011 11:57 AM
  23. wildman's Avatar
    I just don't see them checking for root when they receive a warranty device. Its not like this is a small operation, moto has millions of devices out and a good % go through warranty returns. It probably goes down a disassembly line of 9$/hr workers who take it apart and "refurb" it and return the device to service.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
    They don't have to check, when they plug device to test bench to troubleshot device it wouldn't take much to add a small command to check if the OS has been modified, software would only take seconds to detect this of identify root access..

    Welcome to the technology age..
    06-22-2011 09:37 PM
  24. Srambo217's Avatar
    My wife dropped her D2 running Apex into the toilet while doing her hair. Luckily the phone booted directly into bootloader and the water damage sticker didn't change color. I SBF'd it to froyo (the device never left bootloader, it was damaged internally, so I can only assume this helped or it was too severally damaged) and I'm assuming that wiped the slate clean because she got a refurb no questions asked.
    06-25-2011 07:37 AM
  25. hulsville's Avatar
    I know a of several people who have rooted their phones, had it overclocked for months and then got a warranty replacement and never got charged. That doesn't say that it may be changing though. To all the people worried about tethering charges, Verizon already took steps to take care of that. An article was leaked a few days ago saying they are going to allowance billing. No more unlimited for new customers some time in July, 2GB for smart phones, $10 for additional GB.
    06-26-2011 01:37 PM
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