04-27-2013 11:02 PM
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  1. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    I'll take Taiwanese "crap" ANY DAY over S Korean turds. Everything Samsung I've owned has been cheaply made and fallen apart.

    They won't get another dime from me.

    Oh and LG is the same way...

    Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Android Central Forums
    You probably are comparing old Samsung devices to HTC's newest. If you owned a high end Samsung that was late 2011 or newer, I would bet it didn't "fall apart". And if it did, you probably had something happen that would have broken any phone. I may prefer one manufacturer over another, but I won't lie and say one fell apart. Multiple times.
    03-16-2013 10:44 AM
  2. Love Divine's Avatar
    Yeah the AMOLED will more than likely be a very nice screen on its own. But it will definitely fall short next to an SLCD-3. The choice is clear if you want the best screen on your smartphone these days.
    03-16-2013 11:26 AM
  3. john58543's Avatar
    You probably are comparing old Samsung devices to HTC's newest. If you owned a high end Samsung that was late 2011 or newer, I would bet it didn't "fall apart". And if it did, you probably had something happen that would have broken any phone. I may prefer one manufacturer over another, but I won't lie and say one fell apart. Multiple times.
    Are you calling me a liar?

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    03-16-2013 11:35 AM
  4. SlimJ87D's Avatar
    OH NO! The horror! Our phones won't look good when we want to use a microscope to look at them!

    It didn't bother me on the SGS3 and it won't bother me on the SGS4. I had a HTC One X also.
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    03-16-2013 11:36 AM
  5. Xingularity's Avatar
    Yes it is. Compared to the HTC One and Sony, the S4 is going to have horrible pixelation up close.



    Your point?

    The iPhone is from the last generation of phones. It competed with the S3 and had more PPI.
    Blackberry Z10 is a lost cause.

    The whole thing comes down to what the S4 competes with: the HTC One. And at the end of the day the S4 pentile display is going to be pixelated and grainy.
    I don't think it will be all that bad. It is 1920x1080, so it should look good. I will make my final decision when I can hold it in my hands. Hey I wear glasses and I don't have eagle eyes. So we shall see....

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    03-16-2013 11:38 AM
  6. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    Are you calling me a liar?

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    Sort of I guess. I mean it's possible all your Samsung devices fell apart. But if they ALL did, then you were doing something with them that would have destroyed any brand of electronic device. Because Samsung wouldn't be so popular with such great reviews if EVERYTHING they make falls apart.

    OR you bought a ton of low end electronics which is a bad idea no matter who makes them. So either it was one of those scenarios, or I just do not believe you.

    People constantly embellish the "truth" to try and make a point. But if you took reasonably good care of high end Samsung electronics they would not all fall apart. Maybe a dud here or there, but not every single one you've ever owned.
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    03-16-2013 12:04 PM
  7. AxlMyk's Avatar
    The SLCD looks blurry to me.

    03-16-2013 01:49 PM
  8. Love Divine's Avatar
    lol
    03-16-2013 02:08 PM
  9. john58543's Avatar
    Sort of I guess. I mean it's possible all your Samsung devices fell apart. But if they ALL did, then you were doing something with them that would have destroyed any brand of electronic device. Because Samsung wouldn't be so popular with such great reviews if EVERYTHING they make falls apart.

    OR you bought a ton of low end electronics which is a bad idea no matter who makes them. So either it was one of those scenarios, or I just do not believe you.

    People constantly embellish the "truth" to try and make a point. But if you took reasonably good care of high end Samsung electronics they would not all fall apart. Maybe a dud here or there, but not every single one you've ever owned.
    Well I had two older flip phones (v205 and SCH-A900) and a R225 and C207 that didn't hold up very well. I understand that's a whole different category. Also had a LCD TV that lasted two years. Wife had a SGSII that had to be replaced three times before we wound up just getting her an iPhone 4S. Did every one literally fall apart? No, but I had an issue with every one of them so I just used a generalization to state that I am not impressed with their product quality at all.

    Need anymore details?

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    03-16-2013 02:44 PM
  10. DroidXcon's Avatar
    Well I had two older flip phones (v205 and SCH-A900) and a R225 and C207 that didn't hold up very well. I understand that's a whole different category. Also had a LCD TV that lasted two years. Wife had a SGSII that had to be replaced three times before we wound up just getting her an iPhone 4S. Did every one literally fall apart? No, but I had an issue with every one of them so I just used a generalization to state that I am not impressed with their product quality at all.

    Need anymore details?

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    What issues did you have with the gs2? Replacement phones usually have problems.

    From my Galaxy Note 2 via Tapatalk
    03-16-2013 03:07 PM
  11. ultravisitor's Avatar
    It's a good thing I don't hold my phone 1/2" from my face while using it. Otherwise, I'd be terribly disappointed by the graininess of the screen.
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    03-16-2013 03:16 PM
  12. Paul627g's Avatar
    My 2 cents I have to throw into this conversation is...

    Originally on the HOX, Phil and many others were in love with the LCD display. They liked the S3 but couldn't help but give it a small thumbs down for the pentile display but by no means was it horrible. Now were up against the HTC One and the S4. Again we are at these same cross roads deciding which is better.

    Regardless of whichever device you choice as the winner in your opinion hasn't our standards gotten a bit out of control? It wasn't a little over a year ago and we had much less quality displays which we used to brag about and say they were the best thing. Now technology has yet advanced again and we have become so picky. IMO, I have seen and used the HOX, my wife has the S3.. They are all awesome devices, one with a tad better display quality.

    Personally I think there is much bigger areas of a device to tear apart than the small difference in display technology/quality. Things like overall battery life, responsiveness, software, OEM & carrier support (including trying to stay up to date on OS).

    Anyhow.. Just my 2 cents.. To me and probably most of the common public aside from us techy people here in the forums they look at the HOX/The One vs S3/S4 and they probably wouldn't even notice a difference in displays unless you made comment to them. They look at things like how user friendly the software and interface is and ultimately the price for what they are getting.
    03-16-2013 03:31 PM
  13. john58543's Avatar
    Original phone started to not allow my wife to answer incoming phone calls. The replacements screen would randomly go black requiring a restart several times a day. The final replacement had an issue where you couldn't end a phone call without restarting phone...

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    03-16-2013 03:35 PM
  14. DroidXcon's Avatar
    Original phone started to not allow my wife to answer incoming phone calls. The replacements screen would randomly go black requiring a restart several times a day. The final replacement had an issue where you couldn't end a phone call without restarting phone... Just saying

    Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Android Central Forums
    These are Common problems with smart phones. Your odds of getting problems when you get phone replacements go way up. Htc and other companies suffer from similar issues.

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    03-16-2013 03:47 PM
  15. john58543's Avatar
    These are Common problems with smart phones. Your odds of getting problems when you get phone replacements go way up. Htc and other companies suffer from similar issues.

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    Dude do you work for Samsung? Geez

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    03-16-2013 04:13 PM
  16. Christopher Salse's Avatar
    Dude do you work for Samsung? Geez

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    Do you work for HTC?
    03-16-2013 04:17 PM
  17. chubb's Avatar
    What I don't like about AMOLED screens is that whites aren't white and the ghosting. Blacks look great, and colors pop, but the whites look horrible. At least on my old Galaxy Nexus, and nothing like seeing a blueish ghosting where the notification bar is when watching videos. I'll stick with LCD screens until that gets fixed, if it can.
    03-16-2013 04:23 PM
  18. DroidXcon's Avatar
    Dude do you work for Samsung? Geez

    Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Android Central Forums
    I would defend htc just the same. Just happens we are in a S4 thread. .....Samsung is a customer of ours I have a vested intrest BUT, my point stands regardless if you bash quality of Samsung you need to bash the other phone manufactures based on what you said the issues are.

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    03-16-2013 04:26 PM
  19. Jerry Hildenbrand's Avatar
    Even the screen on the Chromebook Pixel can't make these threads look good.
    None of you have used either, yet are laying down the gospel.
    03-16-2013 04:29 PM
  20. DroidXcon's Avatar
    What I don't like about AMOLED screens is that whites aren't white and the ghosting. Blacks look great, and colors pop, but the whites look horrible. At least on my old Galaxy Nexus, and nothing like seeing a blueish ghosting where the notification bar is when watching videos. I'll stick with LCD screens until that gets fixed, if it can.
    This happens because blue is the weakest material and degrades quickly. In order to slow the degradation project process the build architecture of the screen is optimized to blue and if you look at the pixels under a microscope you will see that the Blue pixels are larger to extend lifetime.

    The ghost is actually degraded blue material in that area. These pixels are darker then the blue pixels that didn't degrade uniformally with the rest of the screen.

    As the technology develops these things will improve. We already have developed materials that last longer they just have not reached the devices yet.

    From my Galaxy Note 2 via Tapatalk
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    03-16-2013 04:35 PM
  21. john58543's Avatar
    I would defend htc just the same. Just happens we are in a S4 thread. .....Samsung is a customer of ours I have a vested intrest BUT, my point stands regardless if you bash quality of Samsung you need to bash the other phone manufactures based on what you said the issues are.

    From my Galaxy Note 2 via Tapatalk
    I understand other manufacturers have issues.. my DNA has a SIM card issue. My Motorola DX2 had a terrible camera. My droid eris was terrible. But my history with Samsung was worse. End of story. You guys act like Samsung is the end all be all. Just another smartphone...

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    03-16-2013 04:40 PM
  22. chubb's Avatar
    This happens because blue is the weakest material and degrades quickly. In order to slow the degradation project process the build architecture of the screen is optimized to blue and if you look at the pixels under a microscope you will see that the Blue pixels are larger to extend lifetime.

    The ghost is actually degraded blue material in that area. These pixels are darker then the blue pixels that didn't degrade uniformally with the rest of the screen.

    As the technology develops these things will improve. We already have developed materials that last longer they just have not reached the devices yet.

    From my Galaxy Note 2 via Tapatalk
    And until that time comes, I will stay away from AMOLED screens. LCD has it's drawbacks but the ghosting destroys the screen no matter how great the colors are or how bright and crisp.
    03-16-2013 05:04 PM
  23. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    Well I had two older flip phones (v205 and SCH-A900) and a R225 and C207 that didn't hold up very well. I understand that's a whole different category. Also had a LCD TV that lasted two years. Wife had a SGSII that had to be replaced three times before we wound up just getting her an iPhone 4S. Did every one literally fall apart? No, but I had an issue with every one of them so I just used a generalization to state that I am not impressed with their product quality at all.

    Need anymore details?

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    Ah. I was right. That's always the way it goes. Samsung has completely changed from when you had your flip phones. Generalizations are fine for you, but you're doing yourself a disservice by giving up on them entirely because you chose a low quality phone 8 years ago. Like you said yourself, that's a totally different category than what we're discussing now.
    03-16-2013 06:00 PM
  24. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    Dude do you work for Samsung? Geez

    Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Android Central Forums
    Ha ha ha ha. He nails HTC to the wall and your response is "do you work for Samsung?" weak dude. Especially when you're defending HTC to the death when pretty much no one is trashing them like you're trashing Samsung. The hypocrisy is astounding.
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    03-16-2013 06:03 PM
  25. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Ha ha ha ha. He nails HTC to the wall and your response is "do you work for Samsung?" weak dude. Especially when you're defending HTC to the death when pretty much no one is trashing them like you're trashing Samsung. The hypocrisy is astounding.
    Then come to find out Samsung is a client of the company DroidXcon works for. So, yeah, valid question.
    03-16-2013 07:10 PM
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