05-29-2013 07:06 PM
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  1. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    I think IBM should start getting in the mix and suing everybody because IBM has more patents than any other company on the planet.

    Stealing/copying technology....it's wrong, but it happens. Look at the internal combustion engine. Just about everything has been copied on today's current setup. Right down to the hemispherical cylinder head, yes that's 'The HEMI!!!' Variable valve timing, coil over plugs, etc. Auto manufacturers don't sue over this crap. Apple seems to sue over ridiculous things, mainly aesthetics. Wedge shaped laptops, rectangles with rounded edges, icons. Apple's own demented logic screams that since they invented iTunes, no other company should have anything like it. They are oppressing and persecuting Samsung to a fault. They aren't suing Amazon or Barnes and Noble over the shape of the Kindle or Nook.

    Basic point is that all this is downright sickening. And it's this behavior that is the reason why I am not going to buy any Apple product.
    05-15-2013 11:24 PM
  2. return_0's Avatar
    I think IBM should start getting in the mix and suing everybody because IBM has more patents than any other company on the planet.
    Yeah, and IBM had the first smartphone (1993 Simon)...

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    05-15-2013 11:27 PM
  3. fantom305's Avatar
    No sure about that. Following that logic Henry Ford should have sued anyone who ever used an assembly line. That is a prime example of how Apple is trying to stifle innovation. If Henry Ford had been successful in a patent battle regarding the assembly line (assuming he had every filed a patent lawsuit) how fast would the automobile have developed and how high would automobile prices be without other manufactures being able to use the assembly line?

    EDIT: BTW, I believe you have to invent something to patent it. You don't get patents by changing existing things.
    In my eyes this looks like monopoly.....
    05-15-2013 11:46 PM
  4. gummyjelly's Avatar
    Its very childish. Apple needs to stop because the galaxy phones look nothing like and doesn't perform like their icraps. I use to love the iphones but every year it was the same thing. The only thing I can honestly say I do miss is when my phone broke or needed to be changed via warranty that was done right away at the apple store instead of waiting for my carrier to send me another one.
    05-16-2013 12:46 AM
  5. anon5664829's Avatar
    Its very childish. Apple needs to stop because the galaxy phones look nothing like and doesn't perform like their icraps. I use to love the iphones but every year it was the same thing. The only thing I can honestly say I do miss is when my phone broke or needed to be changed via warranty that was done right away at the apple store instead of waiting for my carrier to send me another one.
    Apple makes awesome products. Samsung was far more childish for paying people to write bad reviews about a product.
    05-16-2013 04:09 AM
  6. BillyMichael92's Avatar
    Will someone please explain how trying to keep someone from stealing or copying your patents is slowing down the development of technology ? It would seem the opposite would be the case. By protecting my patents, it forces you to come up with your own ideas and find a better and more effective way of doing things.
    Quite simply because companies patent anything and everything that they possibly can.

    If the rumours are correct that predictive text was removed due to apple then that is just insane. Surely you cannot expect phone to not use predictive text just because "apple did it first". However I have not read if that is the reason for no predictive text in the US

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    05-16-2013 05:05 AM
  7. Jakiro201's Avatar
    Its very childish. Apple needs to stop because the galaxy phones look nothing like and doesn't perform like their icraps. I use to love the iphones but every year it was the same thing. The only thing I can honestly say I do miss is when my phone broke or needed to be changed via warranty that was done right away at the apple store instead of waiting for my carrier to send me another one.
    Nothing can beat the iPad at the moment. The Macbook was also proved to be the most stable laptop to run Windows. Although I agree that their products are quite overpriced and the iPhone is getting worse.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
    05-16-2013 05:12 AM
  8. Mr.Willie's Avatar
    I think IBM should start getting in the mix and suing everybody because IBM has more patents than any other company on the planet.

    Stealing/copying technology....it's wrong, but it happens. Look at the internal combustion engine. Just about everything has been copied on today's current setup. Right down to the hemispherical cylinder head, yes that's 'The HEMI!!!' Variable valve timing, coil over plugs, etc. Auto manufacturers don't sue over this crap. Apple seems to sue over ridiculous things, mainly aesthetics. Wedge shaped laptops, rectangles with rounded edges, icons. Apple's own demented logic screams that since they invented iTunes, no other company should have anything like it. They are oppressing and persecuting Samsung to a fault. They aren't suing Amazon or Barnes and Noble over the shape of the Kindle or Nook.

    Basic point is that all this is downright sickening. And it's this behavior that is the reason why I am not going to buy any Apple product.
    But is anyone using IBM's current patents without licensing them ? Also the current lawsuits are not about trade dress, they are about patent infringement. Two different things. It wasn't stated what patents Apple felt were being violated.

    As far as your auto analogy goes, patents expire. Automakers have licensing agreements, fancy patented fuel injection systems are purchased from the manufacture (ie Bosh, who may or may not hold a patent on direct injection).

    All I will say again is:


    Motherboards, PC cases, hard drives, disk drives, monitors, TV's, cars, car interiors, car exteriors, car engines, speakers, video game software, game consoles, appliances, beds, couches, furniture, building materials, windows, lamps, ect, ect have ALL been innovated upon to great lengths. I would argue ALOT more so than what Apple did with the smartphone. ....How come there arent all these lawsuits in other markets? Why does Apple seem so sue happy compared to other companies in other markets? Nothing slowed down by companies not suing in other markets. Great strides were made in many, many, many markets with no lawsuits.

    There have been a sprinkle of lawsuits in other markets....but no where to the lengths of what Apple has done/is doing. Thats the point some seem to overlook. Great innovation happens in many, many other areas....where some things can be seen as copies of something that came before it.....without all the lawsuits.
    Actually, there are lawsuits in other markets. Companies also license other companies patents. Some people also forget that patents also expire and the knowledge or technology becomes public domain.

    Quite simply because companies patent anything and everything that they possibly can.

    If the rumours are correct that predictive text was removed due to apple then that is just insane. Surely you cannot expect phone to not use predictive text just because "apple did it first". However I have not read if that is the reason for no predictive text in the US

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4 using Tapatalk 2
    Why would they not patent their predictive text technolgy ? Why shouldn't Samsung license it or come up with their own way ? (I believe innovate is the word we're looking for.)
    05-16-2013 07:47 AM
  9. return_0's Avatar
    Apple makes awesome products. Samsung was far more childish for paying people to write bad reviews about a product.
    No, patent trolling is just as if not more childish. And making good products doesn't justify a company behaving in such an immature and unprofessional way.

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    05-16-2013 07:50 AM
  10. Mr.Willie's Avatar
    No, patent trolling is just as if not more childish. And making good products doesn't justify a company behaving in such an immature and unprofessional way.

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    An even more childish behavior is spreading hatred and FUD.
    05-16-2013 08:14 AM
  11. return_0's Avatar
    Why would they not patent their predictive text technolgy ? Why shouldn't Samsung license it or come up with their own way ? (I believe innovate is the word we're looking for.)
    You're saying this as if Apple stole nothing from Android.

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    05-16-2013 08:46 AM
  12. Mr.Willie's Avatar
    Did they ? Or did they license ? Or was it even patented in the first place ? While I am on my second iPad, have had several Nanos, and have been an Apple shareholder several times, I have never owned an iPhone, and my HTC One is my first Android phone (I came over from BB), I did follow the first case closely. What patents did they steal from Android ? (Real questions ) Why hasn't Google sued Apple over patent infringement ?

    If you patented something (or bought patent rights) and then I took it and made a lot of money without compensating you, wouldn't you feel violated ? Would you let me get away with it or would you take me to court ?
    05-16-2013 09:47 AM
  13. Aznmrtaxes's Avatar
    Did they ? Or did they license ? Or was it even patented in the first place ? While I am on my second iPad, have had several Nanos, and have been an Apple shareholder several times, I have never owned an iPhone, and my HTC One is my first Android phone (I came over from BB), I did follow the first case closely. What patents did they steal from Android ? (Real questions ) Why hasn't Google sued Apple over patent infringement ?

    If you patented something (or bought patent rights) and then I took it and made a lot of money without compensating you, wouldn't you feel violated ? Would you let me get away with it or would you take me to court ?
    Get off your high horse and come down here with the rest of world if you truly think Apple or Steve Jobs didn't commit any patent infringement taking someone else's work and improve on it and using it in their own products. I'm not going to say Google didn't commit any infringement, but Apple is not that innocent and I know for a fact Apple and Steve Jobs has their dirty little secrets. Don't get me wrong I've owned plenty of Apple products and think they do make great products but I'm not that naive.

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    05-16-2013 02:08 PM
  14. tarnak's Avatar
    Quite simply because companies patent anything and everything that they possibly can.

    If the rumours are correct that predictive text was removed due to apple then that is just insane. Surely you cannot expect phone to not use predictive text just because "apple did it first". However I have not read if that is the reason for no predictive text in the US

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4 using Tapatalk 2
    Along that line as an example, Crest (i think thats the company) just filed for a patent for a tooth brush that would release caffeine when you are brushing your teeth. Seriously, do we really need a caffeine infused toothbrush? Anyway, they were told it would most likely never get approved for market, but there is still a patent for it.
    05-16-2013 02:52 PM
  15. tr-1's Avatar
    Of course they didn't invent it but they CHANGED the Smart Phone by making it what it is today.

    Can you really say we would have the One's and S4's if Apple sticked to Macs? I believe we would still be in QWERTY keyboard, Sliders and 3" SD Screens.

    Apple just wants the credit or this case money they deserve.



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    Really?....... With all the smart engineers in the world you think we'd still be using dumb phones (or whatever you tried to describe)?
    In all honesty this is disrespectful to all the engineers at Moto, Google, MSFT, Nokia, Samsung, Sharp, LG, Sony, HTC, etc.

    Sorry, but Apple was simply the FIRST to make the next logical step. After all, today's phones are nothing more than a minimized computer screen (and yes, multi-touch existed before)
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    05-16-2013 06:20 PM
  16. jroc's Avatar
    Actually, there are lawsuits in other markets. Companies also license other companies patents. Some people also forget that patents also expire and the knowledge or technology becomes public domain.
    I know...thats why I said this:

    How come there arent all these lawsuits in other markets? Why does Apple seem so sue happy compared to other companies in other markets? Nothing slowed down by companies not suing in other markets. Great strides were made in many, many, many markets with no lawsuits.

    There have been a sprinkle of lawsuits in other markets....but no where to the lengths of what Apple has done/is doing. Thats the point some seem to overlook. Great innovation happens in many, many other areas....where some things can be seen as copies of something that came before it.....without all the lawsuits.
    05-16-2013 06:50 PM
  17. Mr.Willie's Avatar
    Get off your high horse and come down here with the rest of world if you truly think Apple or Steve Jobs didn't commit any patent infringement taking someone else's work and improve on it and using it in their own products. I'm not going to say Google didn't commit any infringement, but Apple is not that innocent and I know for a fact Apple and Steve Jobs has their dirty little secrets. Don't get me wrong I've owned plenty of Apple products and think they do make great products but I'm not that naive.

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    Not on a high horse. Apple has been sued and made payouts. It's just funny that Samsung documents turn up that has high racking Samsung Officers telling subordinates to copy the look and feel of the iPhone and then people get bent out of shape when Apple sues them. It the hatred for Apple that people have when Apple defends their IP that I don't understand.

    I know...thats why I said this:
    Yep, I wasn't clear. It happens more than you might think. It's just that Apple is news worthy, companies like VIA and Phoenix are not.
    05-16-2013 07:07 PM
  18. return_0's Avatar
    Not on a high horse. Apple has been sued and made payouts. It's just funny that Samsung documents turn up that has high racking Samsung Officers telling subordinates to copy the look and feel of the iPhone and then people get bent out of shape when Apple sues them. It the hatred for Apple that people have when Apple defends their IP that I don't understand.
    Same goes the other way.

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    05-16-2013 08:32 PM
  19. GMJeff's Avatar
    So, which IPs is Apple defending this time? The rounded corners, square icons with rounded corners, metal banding aroind the device, length of the sync/charge cable, color of the device.

    This day and age most tech gadgets can only be produced in a similar fashion, not because they want people to believe they are buying an i-device, but that people want a device that is comfortable to hold and use. This limits a device to certain parameters.

    If someone uses patented parameters, then the lawsuits start to fly. Apple has just been one of the major litigators in recent history because they can feel the sting of Android beating on them at every turn.

    Google will not litigate with Apple as they have mentioned in the past, whether it is due to a weak IP portfolio, or the backlash they may see from Cupertino, who knows. But I will guarantee that their purchase of Motorola mobility was a call to arms of sort in the anticipation of Apple setting their sights on them.

    Besides, Google is totally content to sit on the sidelines and rake in their ad revenues while all of this plays out.

    As for myself, I have owned iphones and macbooks and will never own another Apple product again. I don't hate the products, just hate their business choices.

    Besides, Apples newest lawsuits encompass 22 samsung devices. Where is LG, HTC, BlackBerry etc. They all make rectangular devices with rounded corners.

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    05-16-2013 09:58 PM
  20. gummyjelly's Avatar
    Nothing can beat the iPad at the moment. The Macbook was also proved to be the most stable laptop to run Windows. Although I agree that their products are quite overpriced and the iPhone is getting worse.

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    I agree on Apple making awesome products. I have the ipad 2 which runs like butter still and my mac pro which beats any laptop out there (best trackpad) . The iPhone is just old boring and not to mention it's tiny screen. We do so much with our phones and have so many apps, we need bigger screens! Over half of my friends left the iPhone for a galaxy s3/s4 and haven't looked back, including me.

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    05-16-2013 10:07 PM
  21. irishonion's Avatar
    Besides, Apples newest lawsuits encompass 22 samsung devices. Where is LG, HTC, BlackBerry etc. They all make rectangular devices with rounded corners
    Apple is afraid of competition?
    05-16-2013 11:09 PM
  22. gummyjelly's Avatar
    Apple is afraid of competition?
    My thought is that they feel threaten by Samsung because their phones blow the icrap (cough I mean iphone) far off. Like I said earlier most of my friends have left their iphones for galaxy s3/s4 including myself. The iphone is dying and they know it.
    05-17-2013 12:15 AM
  23. STARGATE's Avatar
    I wen to High School in San Jose California, so I used Apple and IBM computers a lot and I love the ones from Apple. I have used the iPhone 3s, 4, 4s and 5 and I still can't find something that would make me stay with them.

    I am a proud owner of a launch day Palm Prē and PalmPad (HP TouchPad) and still love those devices but I have used and really liked a lot several Motorola phones. And now I'm looking to replace my trusty Photon 4G with a HTC One or a Galaxy device (S4 or Note 3).

    The truth is Apple is great but they are also a bunch of aholes acting as if they invented everything! Well, they didn't! Motorola, Palm, Nokia, Siemens and others have done most of the heavy lifting and now Apple is just acting as if they were God and created the earth!

    Sent from my Photon 4G that Stupid Motorola will not upgrade to ICS or any other newer form of Android because they're a bunch of stupid lying bastards (and deserve to go to h e ll!) using Android Central Forums
    05-17-2013 12:16 AM
  24. LindtChocolate's Avatar
    All of this competition mumbo jumbo is such bull crap. Apple and Samsung are going to ruin each other if they keep coming for the throat. I'm just waiting for Google to take over the world and I can finally enjoy 1gbps internet, self driving cars, quantum computing, and ACTUAL innovation after innovation.
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    05-17-2013 12:23 AM
  25. zipro's Avatar
    Just want your thoughts on apple adding the Galaxy S 4 to the infringement suite....It is very upsetting to see a company as apple not to buckle down and compete like warriors instead they want to be pansies and do all this infringement crap...
    well, considering that most of the patents Apple used to "win" the infringement suite have since been invalidated, I don't think they'll get very far with the request.
    05-17-2013 12:36 AM
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