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  1. Michael_Archangel's Avatar
    I've just bought a Galaxy S9+. Tried the camera side-by-side compared to my S7, and all photos have what looks like a red Instagram filter on them, and the lack of detail especially on closer shots such as pets is staggering. See example photos attached, where the cat's hair on his head on the S7 is nice and sharp, whereas on the S9+ it's all blurry and has a red tint...

    I have returned the S9+ as in my opinion it's so bad. But I'm wondering if it's just a matter of taste or settings (I was just in Auto in both cases), or if my unit was actually faulty? I don't want to order a replacement one if the camera photos are going to be exactly the same.
    Attached Thumbnails Is my S9+ camera defective?-cat-s7.jpg   Is my S9+ camera defective?-cat-s9-.jpg  
    03-20-2018 12:42 PM
  2. Michael_Archangel's Avatar
    Btw the top photo is the galaxy S7. Even the detail of the fabric of the sofa is spot on on the S7, whereas on the S9+ below it's blurred out (especially at 100% crop - images do not upload at full size on these forums) and the sofa colour looks blueish instead of grey.
    03-20-2018 12:45 PM
  3. zerospace-net's Avatar
    Color is subjective and depends on what you view it on. My PC monitor is color calibrated, and your top photo reminds me of the ones I get out of my old S7 -- it's yellow shifted pretty noticeably. The S9 shot has a little more of a blue shift, so in both, the white balance is off.

    It's not defective necessarily. Every camera has issues like this. That's why you color correct or adjust the white balance manually if you have to.

    Were these cropped in any way? It looks like the focus point is different between the two.
    03-20-2018 01:47 PM
  4. edubb256's Avatar
    I also returned my S9+ because of difficulty in getting a sharp picture. I don't know if mine was defective or if they are all that way. But I agree with zerospace about the color.
    03-20-2018 02:02 PM
  5. Scott Morey's Avatar
    it looks like the same exact picture but a different shade
    03-20-2018 02:53 PM
  6. zerospace-net's Avatar
    I also returned my S9+ because of difficulty in getting a sharp picture. I don't know if mine was defective or if they are all that way. But I agree with zerospace about the color.
    Really? I did some close up shots of small objects and managed to get a much sharper image (macro) with the S9 camera than I ever could with the S7. I haven't done anything outdoors yet. When it counts, I have a DSLR, so my phone is just for casual, spur of the moment stuff usually. If I really care with my phone cam, I'll use pro mode.
    03-20-2018 03:45 PM
  7. Michael_Archangel's Avatar
    I'm viewing these images on a colour calibrated IPS LCD computer monitor. Whilst the S7 is indeed a tiny bit on the yellow side (mostly due to ambient lighting), the colour is quite close to real life. Whereas the S9+ is very far from accurate.

    Regarding the quality itself, I can confirm both shots were taken at the same time and focused on the same part of the image. But whatever I did on the S9+ (pressing on the head of the cat on the screen), it just would not focus any better and the result was always blurry in low light.

    The images I previously posted were uncropped. I'm now attaching a couple of 100% crop comparisons. The first is the hair on the head of the cat, the second is the fabric of the sofa.
    Attached Thumbnails Is my S9+ camera defective?-s7-head.jpg   Is my S9+ camera defective?-s9-head.jpg   Is my S9+ camera defective?-s7-sofa.jpg   Is my S9+ camera defective?-s9-sofa.jpg  
    03-20-2018 04:29 PM
  8. edubb256's Avatar
    Really? I did some close up shots of small objects and managed to get a much sharper image (macro) with the S9 camera than I ever could with the S7. I haven't done anything outdoors yet. When it counts, I have a DSLR, so my phone is just for casual, spur of the moment stuff usually. If I really care with my phone cam, I'll use pro mode.
    I did some very extensive comparisons against my Note 8. I never tried macro shots. Just some portraits and outdoor events. I tried using pro mode, but like most phone cameras, don't think pro mode really helps that much unless you have special situation. Like using a slower shutter speed to drop the ISO if you know there is no motion of the subject and are using a tripod.

    I have a full frame mirrorless camera for serious situations, but phone camera performance is still important to me and my S9+ was definitely a step back from the Note 8. As I said in my other post, maybe my S9+ was defective, I considered exchanging it for a replacement.
    03-20-2018 04:39 PM
  9. Michael_Archangel's Avatar
    Fur and cushion crops. There is not one part of the image that is sharper on the S9+.

    And all photos I took with it were the same.
    Attached Thumbnails Is my S9+ camera defective?-wally-1-s7.jpg   Is my S9+ camera defective?-wally-1-s9-.jpg  
    03-20-2018 04:39 PM
  10. Michael_Archangel's Avatar
    Thanks edubb256. I might consider Note8 then. Thing is, I was expecting a big improvement for the price and all the fuss they made about their f1.5 camera, and this is clearly worse unless it is defective. But if you've had the same issue I guess it must just be how it is.
    03-20-2018 04:45 PM
  11. zxphenomenalxz's Avatar
    my camera has been extremely bad too. I've read on xda that some people are suffering from lensflare. I'm wondering if mine is and it's making the camera difficult to focus in properly or handle the lighting. what color do you have ? a lot of the reports I saw was the coral blue having the issue more. I have coral blue.. but the camera is just horrible. I reset camera settings and it helped a little but compared to my Pixel 2 the s9+ is taking photos as if it's a Motorola phone.
    03-20-2018 05:14 PM
  12. Michael_Archangel's Avatar
    It was a black one. I wonder if the normal S9 (not +) would be the same. I actually would prefer the smaller size, but bought the + for the second rear camera.

    The Pixel 2 camera does look good, however I am used to Samsung and especially having the back button on the right. Also the list of issues with the Pixel 2 put me off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_2#Other_issues
    03-20-2018 05:23 PM
  13. zxphenomenalxz's Avatar
    It was a black one. I wonder if the normal S9 (not +) would be the same. I actually would prefer the smaller size, but bought the + for the second rear camera.

    The Pixel 2 camera does look good, however I am used to Samsung and especially having the back button on the right. Also the list of issues with the Pixel 2 put me off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_2#Other_issues
    I was one of the lucky ones to have a pixel 2xl with zero hardware issues. No grain screen no blue color shift.. phone is superb.. I'm rocking my s9+ naked until my case arrives this evening from Amazon. I'm hoping with a case on pictures will be better as I won't have any light reflecting from the back of the phone.. but if it continues to be bad I'll probably go exchange it . The camera is a significant drop off in quality from what I've been used to on my Pixel.
    03-21-2018 01:54 AM
  14. Fred98TJ's Avatar
    With the short lens (wide angle) in less than good lighting conditions when the 1.5 aperture kicks in you can expect soft photos and often some color shifting.
    It’s extremely hard to produce a fast (1.4, 1.5, etc) wide angle lens that is sharp with no color shifting when wide open.
    A lens alone cost several thousand US dollars. With the plastic lens used on the phone softness when at 1.5 (and some color abnormalities especially in the corners) is to be expected.
    Even some of the documentation says that (dual aperture, 1.5 for low light and 2.4 for sharper photos in good lighting conditions. )
    03-21-2018 06:53 PM
  15. L0n3N1nja's Avatar
    With the short lens (wide angle) in less than good lighting conditions when the 1.5 aperture kicks in you can expect soft photos and often some color shifting.
    It’s extremely hard to produce a fast (1.4, 1.5, etc) wide angle lens that is sharp with no color shifting when wide open.
    A lens alone cost several thousand US dollars. With the plastic lens used on the phone softness when at 1.5 (and some color abnormalities especially in the corners) is to be expected.
    Even some of the documentation says that (dual aperture, 1.5 for low light and 2.4 for sharper photos in good lighting conditions. )
    I've been thinking the same based on my experience with DSLR cameras.

    You also get a shallower depth of field, which puts less of the image in focus.
    03-21-2018 07:57 PM
  16. Fred98TJ's Avatar
    I've been thinking the same based on my experience with DSLR cameras.

    You also get a shallower depth of field, which puts less of the image in focus.
    It’s more because of the lenses on the phone camera. You simply can’t make good optics for a fast (1.4, 1.5) wide angle lenses made from plastic that are anywhere near cost effective enough for a cp.

    The softness being seen is totally expected. Yes you’ll get some more light but the photos are going to be soft as hot butter.
    03-21-2018 08:53 PM
  17. edubb256's Avatar
    It’s more because of the lenses on the phone camera. You simply can’t make good optics for a fast (1.4, 1.5) wide angle lenses made from plastic that are anywhere near cost effective enough for a cp.

    The softness being seen is totally expected. Yes you’ll get some more light but the photos are going to be soft as hot butter.

    Ideally lenses should be fast, sharp, and cheap. But you can only get two of the three.
    03-21-2018 09:16 PM
  18. torbach1's Avatar
    I'm not analyzing color accuracy in detail, but so far I'm very happy with my S9+ camera. Check out this night shot.Is my S9+ camera defective?-20180321_220503.jpg
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    03-21-2018 09:49 PM
  19. Fred98TJ's Avatar
    I'm not analyzing color accuracy in detail, but so far I'm very happy with my S9+ camera. Check out this night shot.Click image for larger version. 

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    Disregarding any color issues, this is the same as I’ve been seeing, very very soft. No detail anywhere on anything.
    03-22-2018 02:03 AM
  20. Michael_Archangel's Avatar
    That's a real shame, for a camera that is billed as being made especially for low light, that its weakness is actually low light... I think the S7 is pretty good in low light while retaining sharpness. So f1.7 is pretty much as good as you can achieve with a smartphone lens, and I should avoid any photos below that.

    Now they've made a f1.5 lens and a lot of people seem happy with it, I doubt they'll ever go back to f1.7, so I guess that means the S8/Note8 will be the last Samsung phones I can get... Hopefully other smartphone manufacturers won't follow suit.

    I don't know how anyone can be happy with an image that soft. Thing is, in some reviews, I've seen low light images taken with the S9 where small tree branches look fairly sharp and details like brick walls are not soft. So not sure what's going on there, hence why I thought mine might be faulty...
    03-22-2018 04:46 AM
  21. Michael_Archangel's Avatar
    Maybe it's just more obvious on close photos of fluffy pets rather than on landscapes...
    03-22-2018 05:16 AM
  22. Kko 5's Avatar
    I've just bought a Galaxy S9+. Tried the camera side-by-side compared to my S7, and all photos have what looks like a red Instagram filter on them, and the lack of detail especially on closer shots such as pets is staggering. See example photos attached, where the cat's hair on his head on the S7 is nice and sharp, whereas on the S9+ it's all blurry and has a red tint...

    I have returned the S9+ as in my opinion it's so bad. But I'm wondering if it's just a matter of taste or settings (I was just in Auto in both cases), or if my unit was actually faulty? I don't want to order a replacement one if the camera photos are going to be exactly the same.
    I have the S7 too and performed the same tests and I agree with you. I must say that I am disappointed with the end results.... WTF???
    03-22-2018 07:01 AM
  23. torbach1's Avatar
    Disregarding any color issues, this is the same as I’ve been seeing, very very soft. No detail anywhere on anything.
    Guys, it is soft in this case because it was way darker outside than what this photo makes it look like. My daughter has a Pixel and the photos of this were completely unusable, way too dark with hers. So I don't think the criticism of Sammy's camera for this particular photo is fair. I'll post here later for comparison.
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    03-22-2018 07:06 AM
  24. Michael_Archangel's Avatar
    Guys, it is soft in this case because it was way darker outside than what this photo makes it look like. My daughter has a Pixel and the photos of this were completely unusable, way too dark with hers. So I don't think the criticism of Sammy's camera for this particular photo is fair. I'll post here later for comparison.
    Ok fair enough. My photo was taken indoors at night with decent artificial lighting in the room. So although technically "low light", it wasn't very dark at all. The softness was particularly visible on closer shots, and especially noticeable with things like cat hair or details of fabric, or other textures. Maybe if you can post similar photos with yours and see if yours are sharper?

    Also a separate issue, but I found the super slo-mo completely useless. It would not start when movement was in the square, so very hard to time right, and as soon as you switch to super slow-mo the screen goes completely dark and flickery. Even in broad day light the noise on the video was so bad it made the footage unusable.
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    03-22-2018 07:41 AM
  25. torbach1's Avatar
    Ok fair enough. My photo was taken indoors at night with decent artificial lighting in the room. So although technically "low light", it wasn't very dark at all. The softness was particularly visible on closer shots, and especially noticeable with things like cat hair or details of fabric, or other textures. Maybe if you can post similar photos with yours and see if yours are sharper?

    Also a separate issue, but I found the super slo-mo completely useless. It would not start when movement was in the square, so very hard to time right, and as soon as you switch to super slow-mo the screen goes completely dark and flickery. Even in broad day light the noise on the video was so bad it made the footage unusable.
    I think your phone is defective. I took an awesome super slow mo video of snow yesterday as it was snowing outside. No dark screen, nothing like what you described. I can't upload video here, but try this link. https://photos.app.goo.gl/FdhYdFbAvyCijkZs2
    03-22-2018 07:45 AM
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