Data Speed Sucks on Atrix!

[sniffs]

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I think you're mistaken on this ..at&t is the one that. Doesn't. Have true 3g coverage ..everyone knows their network runs off of wifi signals primarily..their. 3g is minimal and spotty. Why do you think people complain so much about loss if signal? Where as Verizon atually has the best coverage out there..it always beats out all other carriers every year come reviews time..can't do that. W/O a TRUE 3G network..

I've never ever heard that a cellular network runs on wifi signals.

Where'd you get your info from?

I'm pretty knowledgable about cellular networks and can even break it down for you spec by spec, connection by connection and I've never heard it uses WIFI.

The reason you lose signal is because GSM handoff's are what's called a "hard handoff".

CDMA networks, you're almost always connecting to 3 towers and their handoff's are called "soft handoffs". During a hard handoff, you're basically being thrown randomly to another tower where the connection get's iffy.. during this time, you may experience a dropped call.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handover

A hard handover is one in which the channel in the source cell is released and only then the channel in the target cell is engaged. Thus the connection to the source is broken before the connection to the target is made—for this reason such handovers are also known as break-before-make. Hard handovers are intended to be instantaneous in order to minimize the disruption to the call. A hard handover is perceived by network engineers as an event during the call.

A soft handover is one in which the channel in the source cell is retained and used for a while in parallel with the channel in the target cell. In this case the connection to the target is established before the connection to the source is broken, hence this handovers is called make-before-break. The interval, during which the two connections are used in parallel, may be brief or substantial. For this reason the soft handovers is perceived by network engineers as a state of the call, rather than a brief event. Soft handovers may involve using connections to more than two cells, e.g. connections to three, four or more cells can be maintained by one phone at the same time. When a call is in a state of soft handovers the signal of the best of all used channels can be utilised for the call at a given moment or all the signals can be combined to produce a clearer copy of the signal. The latter is more advantageous, and when such combining is performed both in the downlink (forward link) and the uplink (reverse link) the handover is termed as softer. Softer handovers are possible when the cells involved in the handovers have a single cell site .

 

[Jim Ahrman]

i think dial up is faster than my cell speed...sprint data card..at&t phone..speeds are just getting worse.. thinking about going back to dial up ..save a bunch of money
so much for the fed govt's push to get mobile speeds in line with rest of the world

 

[Terrigno]

What does anyone really care? The Phone is a lot snappier and it moves quick enough. I have no problems out here in Raleigh. Its quick enough for me.

 

[aggie]

Sounds like a troll in this forum.

What does anyone really care? The Phone is a lot snappier and it moves quick enough. I have no problems out here in Raleigh. Its quick enough for me.

i don't see a troll anywhere. nothing is perfect and there is absolutely nothing wrong with people pointing out the cons of a device. With the marketing of it as 4g there is absolutely nothing wrong with people who are in supposed 4g areas to be expecting 4g. while it may be quick enough for you, that doesn't mean it is for everyone. People who automatically call people trolls for complaining about the potential negatives of a device are usually those trying to defend their purchase and keep themselves from feeling any buyers remorse and are usually just as annoying as the trolls themselves.

 

[Terrigno]

i don't see a troll anywhere. nothing is perfect and there is absolutely nothing wrong with people pointing out the cons of a device. With the marketing of it as 4g there is absolutely nothing wrong with people who are in supposed 4g areas to be expecting 4g. while it may be quick enough for you, that doesn't mean it is for everyone. People who automatically call people trolls for complaining about the potential negatives of a device are usually those trying to defend their purchase and keep themselves from feeling any buyers remorse and are usually just as annoying as the trolls themselves.

Slow your roll. Im talking about "Sniffs" who talks this and that with verizons LTE. Everyone already knows the real 4G is LTE. If anyone bought this phone only for 4G speeds of course are gonna be disapointed. Its the Guts inside the phone that make it a beast. Now all about the speeds of the network itself. When LTE rolls out, thats when you really have arguements back and forth about whats faster. This is only the beginning. We talk about the Data speeds with HSPA+ and someones in here talking about LTE speeds with a USB port on another network, it has nothing to do with this network. Its a different network in sense. If people are pissed off about speeds not being up to par with what they want, take the phone back. Why *****? The only time I would complain about these speeds is if I was paying more for them and the speed was delivered as unadvertised. But Im not. So its the same for me.

 

[WilliamC]

Sounds like a troll in this forum.

What does anyone really care? The Phone is a lot snappier and it moves quick enough. I have no problems out here in Raleigh. Its quick enough for me.

Lots of people care, that's why it's mentioned in every review. When you advertise a device as 4G you expect it to be faster than a 3G device and when the speed is the same and in some cases slower than a 3G device... well you would start to feel ripped off.

i don't see a troll anywhere. nothing is perfect and there is absolutely nothing wrong with people pointing out the cons of a device. With the marketing of it as 4g there is absolutely nothing wrong with people who are in supposed 4g areas to be expecting 4g. while it may be quick enough for you, that doesn't mean it is for everyone. People who automatically call people trolls for complaining about the potential negatives of a device are usually those trying to defend their purchase and keep themselves from feeling any buyers remorse and are usually just as annoying as the trolls themselves.

I agree with you, except that I wouldn't call it a con of the device, more that of AT&T's network. I have yet to see anyone report 4g speeds on either this or the inspire.

 

[Terrigno]

No trolls here. just hope meeting reality on data speeds. AT&T is really overmarketing right now with the hype. They are not even delivering decent 3g speeds with HSPA+ so a lot of folks are going to be upset.

The speeds are def. not 4G. But the phone is snappy enough to make one think they have 4G speeds if there not into tech stuff. Thats what I think really.

 

[textiaac]

The speeds are def. not 4G. But the phone is snappy enough to make one think they have 4G speeds if there not into tech stuff. Thats what I think really.

Yea as long as it stays over 1 mbps with 2335 benchark score then I will remain happy.

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[Terrigno]

Yea as long as it stays over 1 mbps with 2335 benchark score then I will remain happy.

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I agree. One has to admit the Duel Core Processor is screaming when it moves. I have never used a faster Android phone ever.

 

[aggie]

Lots of people care, that's why it's mentioned in every review. When you advertise a device as 4G you expect it to be faster than a 3G device and when the speed is the same and in some cases slower than a 3G device... well you would start to feel ripped off.



I agree with you, except that I wouldn't call it a con of the device, more that of AT&T's network. I have yet to see anyone report 4g speeds on either this or the inspire.

exactly. i don't have much to complain about with the device. my disappointment is with AT&T marketing this as 4g. T-Mobile's HSPA + runs circles around AT&T's. I'm ok with the download speeds around 3.5 which is what i'm getting I just don't like them marketing it as 4g. And I'm definitely not ok with them disabling HSUPA in their android devices.

In the last year I've gone from the 3gs to N900 to Nexus One to Dinc to iPhone 4 to Evo to Droid X and now the Atrix and this device is definitely on a different level in terms of hardware. It is the network that is the biggest drawback.

 

[aggie]

The speeds are def. not 4G. But the phone is snappy enough to make one think they have 4G speeds if there not into tech stuff. Thats what I think really.

True, the speeds are definitely good enough to please the average person. Of course most of us here are "into tech stuff" so naturally one of the first things most of us are going to do is run a speed test. Most of those who aren't "into tech stuff" probably aren't the ones that were salivating at this phone and buying it the first day.

Hopefully the ongoing backhaul improvements will allow the Atrix to eventually realize higher download speeds. The most unfortunate thing though is AT&T disabling HSUPA causing the device to cap out around .3 mbps on the upload side. This is very frustrating and really the only thing that bothers me.

 

[sniffs]

The speeds are def. not 4G. But the phone is snappy enough to make one think they have 4G speeds if there not into tech stuff. Thats what I think really.

No offense, but you're the exact type of person AT&T markets for.

I've tested Verizon's LTE service, it's up and running, FULLY, covering about 1/3rd the US population, and it completely blows away anything AT&T and T-Mobile's "4G" network, and Sprint's WiMax 4G network offers.

When I see a 4G device, I expect it to do things my old 3G does and more, such as download stuff faster.. and when it doesnt, I question, not tuck tail and walk away.(I'm not saying you do either, but being ok with 3G speeds on a device labeled "4G" is not acceptable.)

I'm not a troll in the least. What I hate is the fact that AT&T and T-Mobile are confusing the **** out of people and no one is calling them out for it.

 

[VideoEngineerAJS]

No offense, but you're the exact type of person AT&T markets for.

I've tested Verizon's LTE service, it's up and running, FULLY, covering about 1/3rd the US population, and it completely blows away anything AT&T and T-Mobile's "4G" network, and Sprint's WiMax 4G network offers.

When I see a 4G device, I expect it to do things my old 3G does and more, such as download stuff faster.. and when it doesnt, I question, not tuck tail and walk away.(I'm not saying you do either, but being ok with 3G speeds on a device labeled "4G" is not acceptable.)

I'm not a troll in the least. What I hate is the fact that AT&T and T-Mobile are confusing the **** out of people and no one is calling them out for it.

Well and as I've said in other threads as well as over at CrackBerry, AT&T was the one whining about T-Mobile calling their HSPA+ 4G and when nobody paid attention to their whining, they do what they are best at, deceive more than the original deceiver.

They did the same thing with Verizon. They whined about Verizon's commercials being deceptive and when nobody paid attention to their whining, they started the deceptive commercials about "covering 97% of all Americans" when Verizon was talking about the 3G coverage, not total voice coverage.

 

[hotleadsingerguy]

Like I've said 4G LTE on Verizon is the only *TRUE* 4G we'll see for awhile.

I am getting 30Mbps down, 8Mbps up and 30-40ms response.. now THAT's 4G.

and that is *ALSO* very unusual. Tried Verizon's LTE in the Cleveland, NYC, and Dallas areas and all 3 sucked (capped out at like 6Mb/2Mb at all 3).

I'd be very impressed if I saw a screenshot of a screentest or something from you...

 

[aggie]

and that is *ALSO* very unusual. Tried Verizon's LTE in the Cleveland, NYC, and Dallas areas and all 3 sucked (capped out at like 6Mb/2Mb at all 3).

I'd be very impressed if I saw a screenshot of a screentest or something from you...

not sure where you were in the Dallas area, you may have been on the fringe area of a tower but I've seen speeds around 11-13 mbps average and up to 20 mbps.

 

[sniffs]

All carriers are evil. All dislike you but like your money. They could care less which carrier you deflect to.

It's all about finding one less evil that suits your needs.

 

[hotleadsingerguy]

not sure where you were in the Dallas area, you may have been on the fringe area of a tower but I've seen speeds around 11-13 mbps average and up to 20 mbps.

Well I was hanging out around the Airport for the most part when I was using the internet. I was stationed at a base outside of San Antonio and on the way back up to Cleveland I was at Dallas airport for about 5 hours. I was sitting in the U.S.O. with an LTE card on my macbook pro and about the highest I saw was 6-8Mbps download. About the same I've seen every other place I've used it.

Not that I'm complaining...When I do traveling I'm glad to have that for sure. Verizon has *much* better "area" penetration. What I mean by that is when you're driving across the country there is a lot of "area" between the cities. With my AT&T phone I get perfectly fine service for voice and basic data, but once you're about an hour outside of any city you drop to Edge speeds pretty quickly. With Verizon I maintain 3G just about anywhere.

As for the Atrix...it's true that AT&T doesn't have 4G service out yet...it's expected by late summer or fall. I understand there are a ton of phones coming out before then, but I'm glad to have this absolute *beast* of a phone now that will work with the upgraded system later (because HSPA+ will be heavily integrated into every area by the time LTE is ready).



Most importantly: This is the very first phone I've *EVER* owned that can make use of my home connection. I only have a 16Mb connection, but the highest I've ever seen over WiFi on a phone is like 9Mb in a speed test. This thing just tested at 15.2Mbps (considering I'm currently connected at around 15.5Mbps that's pretty insane). On top of that, it actually loads websites faster than my iPhone4 on both WiFi *AND* 3G. Over 3G I just tested the Atrix at 3Mb/1Mb and my iPhone at 4.5Mb/1.8Mb. Loading websites? Atrix beats the iPhone every single time (by quite a large margin). Most likely it's due to the ability to render the pages quickly...but point is the end-user experience is better with the Atrix, despite having a technically slower connection.

 

[FORDOC]

Well I will chime in from the Twin Cities, data speeds are slow. My wife's iphone 4 runs laps around this phone.

Motorola built an excellent phone. at&t's network is slow and unreliable.

I am definitely not happy. at&t is deceiving the public. I will make sure I tell everyone how disappointed I continue to be with the network.

 

[aggie]

Well I was hanging out around the Airport for the most part when I was using the internet. I was stationed at a base outside of San Antonio and on the way back up to Cleveland I was at Dallas airport for about 5 hours. I was sitting in the U.S.O. with an LTE card on my macbook pro and about the highest I saw was 6-8Mbps download. About the same I've seen every other place I've used it.

Not that I'm complaining...When I do traveling I'm glad to have that for sure. Verizon has *much* better "area" penetration. What I mean by that is when you're driving across the country there is a lot of "area" between the cities. With my AT&T phone I get perfectly fine service for voice and basic data, but once you're about an hour outside of any city you drop to Edge speeds pretty quickly. With Verizon I maintain 3G just about anywhere.

As for the Atrix...it's true that AT&T doesn't have 4G service out yet...it's expected by late summer or fall. I understand there are a ton of phones coming out before then, but I'm glad to have this absolute *beast* of a phone now that will work with the upgraded system later (because HSPA+ will be heavily integrated into every area by the time LTE is ready).



Most importantly: This is the very first phone I've *EVER* owned that can make use of my home connection. I only have a 16Mb connection, but the highest I've ever seen over WiFi on a phone is like 9Mb in a speed test. This thing just tested at 15.2Mbps (considering I'm currently connected at around 15.5Mbps that's pretty insane). On top of that, it actually loads websites faster than my iPhone4 on both WiFi *AND* 3G. Over 3G I just tested the Atrix at 3Mb/1Mb and my iPhone at 4.5Mb/1.8Mb. Loading websites? Atrix beats the iPhone every single time (by quite a large margin). Most likely it's due to the ability to render the pages quickly...but point is the end-user experience is better with the Atrix, despite having a technically slower connection.

agree with just about everything you said regarding verizon, at&t and the Atrix. The wifi on this thing is amazing compared to all my other devices. The only one on par with it is the iPad. Perhaps dual band wifi makes the difference? Seeing how this is the only phone I know of that has dual band wifi and can take advantage of the 5ghz band. My iPad always connects to my router on the 5ghz band and seems to fare much better as there is much more interference on 2.4ghz. I've seen the same results today with the Atrix.

Regarding LTE in Dallas, where you are must have been on the fringe. Still great speeds compared to the competition but typical speeds that i've seen are much like what is in the blog post below from dallasnews.com. The blogger compared speeds from mobile devices at the Super Bowl at Cowboys Stadium with Verizon LTE of course faring the best.

I'm at Cowboys Stadium for the Super Bowl, monitoring wireless coverage | Technology Blog | dallasnews.com

 

[ipluris]

Ok, quite honestly, who CARES about Verizon and their LTE in a forum for the ATRIX??

And BACK TO THE SUBJECT, I just picked up an Atrix as well, and there is SOMETHING wrong here. My download speeds are 2g speeds, I am getting about 0.4Mbs on average. My wife, with her Inspire is getting about 3Mbs.

Truly something is wrong, and I am going to make sure AT&T (and if they give me any gruff, every customer in the store) hears about this tomorrow. Phone is great other than that.

Now go over to Verizon forums if you want to talk LTE...