64GB and 128GB Out of Stock

[getbretweir]

I don't disagree with you, but if you've ever ordered Nexus phones from Google the past few years, you should know what I'm talking about ( I don't know if you have or not). The ordering process whether it's a preorder or not has always been strange. That's why I said I was surprised it took this long. Everything had been going smoothly, much smoother than the past, so I assumed they had got better at doing this.

A lot of people, including myself, who really wanted the phone ordered I as soon as possible, because we didn't want to take any chances. Even ordering early is no guarantee that you won't be waiting longer than expected, or people who ordered after you will get their phone before you do.

same here ... I flew through checkout just praying my order would go through. Was shocked it went so smoothly. Google obviously underestimated the 6p demand, but given their track record it's a dramatic improvement. They can't market their Nexus brand cause of their relationship with other OEMs, but they could drop $10 billion like Samsung in advertising and sell 50 million of these if they wanted to. Call me a fanboy, but the 6p will be the best Android phone made (relative to the year) when it's all said and done. I'll be disappointed if it's anything less quite honestly ... Glad I got in at launch, even if it means waiting for a few bugs to get smoothed out before it runs the way I know it will (just watched a YouTube clip so kinda excited!!).

 

[getbretweir]

LOL, maybe in the past this was the case, but there is definitely a good chunk of profit to be made when selling these phones for $550-$650 (most of the ones selling are 64 and 128s). They are no longer scraping the bottom of the barrel so to speak.

Agree w your point, but just cause they're sold out doesn't mean the 64/128 outsold the 32 ... I wouldn't be shocked if the 32 is their best seller, certainly they'll move more of them than the 128. Just from reading the forums, a lot of people have said they bought the 32. And also for whatever reason, people lie or exaggerate on here and claim to have stuff they don't (like when u call someone out and they suddenly disappear!!).

Anyway, to your point, definitely agree!

 

[qnet]

same here ... I flew through checkout just praying my order would go through. Was shocked it went so smoothly. Google obviously underestimated the 6p demand, but given their track record it's a dramatic improvement. They can't market their Nexus brand cause of their relationship with other OEMs, but they could drop $10 billion like Samsung in advertising and sell 50 million of these if they wanted to. Call me a fanboy, but the 6p will be the best Android phone made (relative to the year) when it's all said and done. I'll be disappointed if it's anything less quite honestly ... Glad I got in at launch, even if it means waiting for a few bugs to get smoothed out before it runs the way I know it will (just watched a YouTube clip so kinda excited!!).

I agree. I'm really excited about the Nexus 6P. Last year there were a lot of criticisms of the Nexus 6, even before it was shipped. While I don't blame reviewers for their criticisms, the Nexus 6P IMO is giving them less to criticize. The price is better, it has the latest Amoled Samsung screen, It has a fingerprint scanner, and the build quality is better.

The only unknowns are the battery and camera.

 

[vzwuser76]

Cost device are really close to build cost. Nexus devices appeal to small niche market. The market is not big enough and demand does not last long enough to generate any real profit. Nexus program has been like this for years the 5x and 6p are no different. It's been stated by reputable tech news blogs that OEM partners don't make much profit off the hardware they make in Nexus Program. They purely do it for RD,on next Android OS to use for non Nexus devices and lesser OEM's do if also for the publicity.

I would disagree with you there. Most devices run in the $200-300 range for their parts, whereas they sell for around $450-750. The only Nexus devices that ran close on cost have been made by LG or Asus (the 4, 5, 5x, & the two 7s), otherwise most Nexus devices have been priced around the same as their competition.

As for the reason most OEMs don't make much profit off the Nexus program, it's because they are making a device for someone else. Samsung makes a Galaxy device and all the profits go to them, Samsung makes a Nexus device, and the profit is split between them and Google. On the LG and Asus Nexus devices, Google essentially waived their profits and convinced the two OEMs to take a minimum of profit (like around $10 or so IIRC) off them.

 

[anon(596177)]

I agree. I'm really excited about the Nexus 6P. Last year there were a lot of criticisms of the Nexus 6, even before it was shipped. While I don't blame reviewers for their criticisms, the Nexus 6P IMO is giving them less to criticize. The price is better, it has the latest Amoled Samsung screen, It has a fingerprint scanner, and the build quality is better.

The only unknowns are the battery and camera.

And if the low light photos leaked on Reddit were legitimate then it looks like the camera is going to be quite the contender as well, at the very least in low light situations

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[bunique4life05]

I would disagree with you there. Most devices run in the $200-300 range for their parts, whereas they sell for around $450-750. The only Nexus devices that ran close on cost have been made by LG or Asus (the 4, 5, 5x, & the two 7s), otherwise most Nexus devices have been priced around the same as their competition.

As for the reason most OEMs don't make much profit off the Nexus program, it's because they are making a device for someone else. Samsung makes a Galaxy device and all the profits go to them, Samsung makes a Nexus device, and the profit is split between them and Google. On the LG and Asus Nexus devices, Google essentially waived their profits and convinced the two OEMs to take a minimum of profit (like around $10 or so IIRC) off them.

I will just leave at this.http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/1/9422405/google-android-nexus-5x-6p-phones-ads

I never heard build cost us average $200 to $300 seems a absurd number given fact all devices are not made equal. All OEM's for example don't get same processor at same price because demand and location may vary. Also we have inflation, currency exchange and taxes which fluctuate that build cost. Even if they sold them at average mark up ( Nexus 6p and specs easily a $700 dollar phone or more if you look at equivalevent phones)they don't sell enough long enough for build cost turn round. The higher demand the build cost will slowly go down because making same device becomes cheaper. The initial investment OEM(RD,Shipping,Manufacturing and Marketing) put in device is to large for niche market to meet that investment with real overhead of profit.

 

[scavenger3]

Does anybody know if they will be Restocking the 64 and 128 gig models.....?
Im going to be really mad if i cant preorder one..
I was holding off till a week or so before hand just in case somebody found some big issues with it in reviews.
i have been saving for an entire year and waiting for the right phone, and now its sold out suddenly.

 

[CoMoNexus]

Does anybody know if they will be Restocking the 64 and 128 gig models.....?

I'd be shocked if Google didn't.

 

[vzwuser76]

I will just leave at this.Google's Nexus phones are just ads | The Verge

I never heard build cost us average $200 to $300 seems a absurd number given fact all devices are not made equal. All OEM's for example don't get same processor at same price because demand and location may vary. Also we have inflation, currency exchange and taxes which fluctuate that build cost. Even if they sold them at average mark up ( Nexus 6p and specs easily a $700 dollar phone or more if you look at equivalevent phones)they don't sell enough long enough for build cost turn round. The higher demand the build cost will slowly go down because making same device becomes cheaper. The initial investment OEM(RD,Shipping,Manufacturing and Marketing) put in device is to large for niche market to meet that investment with real overhead of profit.

Teardown analysis reveals iPhone 6 production costs - GSMArena.com news

Most flagship devices have production and labor costs around $200-300. Lower end devices like the Moto G or E will cost less, but generally that's what most top tier devices cost to make. The difference is Apple has a higher markup on their devices than others do, which is why they always show having upwards of 90% of the mobile industry's profits, even though there are more devices running Android. I realize that their are other factors as you have mentioned, like R&D, logistics and advertising, but then again, how much does Google advertise it's devices? Nowhere near the amount that comoanies like Apple or Samsung for that matter do. The higher demand will only effect build costs if you secure a better deal on parts and materials because you're buying in a larger quantity.

As far as the article you linked, that was probably the last place to get information from concerning Android, let alone a Nexus device. And some of the things they said were more of a "Duh" statement than anything else. Google builds the Nexus to advertise Android. Yeah, just like every other company does like Apple with iOS, Microsoft with Windows Phone, etc. If they would've ditched the Nexus line early on, or never had it at all, there would be at least 5 different and distinct versions of Android, and that's only in the US. There'd be Touchwiz Android, Sense Android, Blur Android, and LG and Sony's versions of Android, and all looking completely different from one another. Even though the Nexus line doesn't sell in large quantities, it did more to quell how far OEMs went afield from stock android. Maybe not through sheer sales numbers, but by how vocal the Nexus community was, advocating for a more stock experience due to how poor the performance was and how slow updates were coming to skinned devices. Imagine if the OEMS went unchecked in what they did with Android, they'd be needing deca-core devices just to run smoothly. The Nexus line, IMHO, is a reality check in the world of Android, and how it should be. You get the essentials, a good base to build the phone how you want to.

 

[bunique4life05]

Teardown analysis reveals iPhone 6 production costs - GSMArena.com news

Most flagship devices have production and labor costs around $200-300. Lower end devices like the Moto G or E will cost less, but generally that's what most top tier devices cost to make. The difference is Apple has a higher markup on their devices than others do, which is why they always show having upwards of 90% of the mobile industry's profits, even though there are more devices running Android. I realize that their are other factors as you have mentioned, like R&D, logistics and advertising, but then again, how much does Google advertise it's devices? Nowhere near the amount that comoanies like Apple or Samsung for that matter do. The higher demand will only effect build costs if you secure a better deal on parts and materials because you're buying in a larger quantity.

As far as the article you linked, that was probably the last place to get information from concerning Android, let alone a Nexus device. And some of the things they said were more of a "Duh" statement than anything else. Google builds the Nexus to advertise Android. Yeah, just like every other company does like Apple with iOS, Microsoft with Windows Phone, etc. If they would've ditched the Nexus line early on, or never had it at all, there would be at least 5 different and distinct versions of Android, and that's only in the US. There'd be Touchwiz Android, Sense Android, Blur Android, and LG and Sony's versions of Android, and all looking completely different from one another. Even though the Nexus line doesn't sell in large quantities, it did more to quell how far OEMs went afield from stock android. Maybe not through sheer sales numbers, but by how vocal the Nexus community was, advocating for a more stock experience due to how poor the performance was and how slow updates were coming to skinned devices. Imagine if the OEMS went unchecked in what they did with Android, they'd be needing deca-core devices just to run smoothly. The Nexus line, IMHO, is a reality check in the world of Android, and how it should be. You get the essentials, a good base to build the phone how you want to.

Though Google and OEM Partners don't put much in RD and Marketing as their competitors. The build cost of devices is same. Then cut consumer markup (the market up is supposed to cover marketing,shipping and taxes) for demand that is fraction of your competitors.
Google cuts mark up.
Build Cost same as competitor

The competitors buying in at larger stock for the higher demand which gives them build cost of $200 to $300 )Google is buying smaller stock for lower demand. Therefore there build cost would not be higher because of the lack stock they are actually buying.


You missed the point of article I was referring to. The author clearly states :

NEXUS DEVICES ARE A HEADACHE FOR GOOGLE'S ANDROID PARTNERS

It almost seems innocuous, except that it's not. There isn't a single Android device manufacturer that is happy with the Nexus program, and I've spoken with them all. Those who build Nexuses for Google often do so reluctantly — with the possible exception of Huawei this year, whose*US reputation*stands to improve dramatically from the halo effect of being associated with Google by manufacturing the Nexus 6P. Still, neither Huawei nor LG, maker of the Nexus 5X, expects to make much direct profit from these new phones: they are priced aggressively and distributed narrowly, so there'll be little (if any) profit per device and few devices sold overall. Like Google, all a Nexus manufacturer can hope to gain is the benefit of indirect marketing and a better reputation among Android diehards.

 

[vzwuser76]

Though Google and OEM Partners don't put much in RD and Marketing as their competitors. The build cost of devices is same. Then cut consumer markup (the market up is supposed to cover marketing,shipping and taxes) for demand that is fraction of your competitors.
Google cuts mark up.
Build Cost same as competitor

The competitors buying in at larger stock for the higher demand which gives them build cost of $200 to $300 )Google is buying smaller stock for lower demand. Therefore there build cost would not be higher because of the lack stock they are actually buying.


You missed the point of article I was referring to. The author clearly states :

NEXUS DEVICES ARE A HEADACHE FOR GOOGLE'S ANDROID PARTNERS

It almost seems innocuous, except that it's not. There isn't a single Android device manufacturer that is happy with the Nexus program, and I've spoken with them all. Those who build Nexuses for Google often do so reluctantly — with the possible exception of Huawei this year, whose*US reputation*stands to improve dramatically from the halo effect of being associated with Google by manufacturing the Nexus 6P. Still, neither Huawei nor LG, maker of the Nexus 5X, expects to make much direct profit from these new phones: they are priced aggressively and distributed narrowly, so there'll be little (if any) profit per device and few devices sold overall. Like Google, all a Nexus manufacturer can hope to gain is the benefit of indirect marketing and a better reputation among Android diehards.

I was pointing out that the cost per device for most flagships is around $200-300. If the Nexus OEM isn't buying in such large quantities and isn't getting as much of a discount as those that do, the cost per device would go up. You're saying that the build costs would be the same, since they're selling them in lower quantities, which overall may be true, but the cost per device would go up.

I understand what the Verge reporter is trying to say, and that may have been true with the devices I mentioned before (Nexus 4, 5, 5x, and the Nexus 7 2012 & 2013), but in the case of devices like the Nexus 6 and 6p, they are asking the same price that most comparable non Nexus devices are getting. If you consider that incorrect, then the previous devices I mentioned would've been sold for a significant loss. I remember reading that when the Nexus 4 and 2012 Nexus 7 debuted, they were only getting around $10 over their costs. So if that the case, and the Nexus 4 was only getting around $400-450 per device, how can a Nexus 6 or 6p not make any profit when they're getting upwards of $600 per device. It's not like the difference in hardware is another $200. The displays on these devices are usually the most expensive component yet their individual cost is usually around $50. This year's Moto X has specs the same or better than least years Nexus 6, yet they're getting $400 per device to start. If what you say is true, then they are taking a big loss on every X Pure Edition they're selling, since they also don't sell in large quantities. The X Pure Edition is closer specs wise to the 6p, yet sells for $100 less. That makes no sense.

And again, one key thing the Verge author left out as to why OEMs don't like to make Nexus devices, is that they have to split the profits with Google. On their own branded devices, they have full reign over what components they use and how much they charge for devices. In the case of a Nexus device, Google specified what components they want in the device, and then after the sale a percentage of their profits go to Google. So they get less per device than they would selling their own branded devices. However, that doesn't mean there's no profit in them, it just means that each party sees less since the profit is split two ways instead of one. The only devices that were really unprofitable were the Nexus devices from 2012 and 2013, since the profit margin was so thin that Google essentially sold them for nothing and LG and Asus made $10 per device, which was more than likely a plan by Google to get Nexus devices better exposure than they had gotten previously. Instead in those years they made their money on the backend with their services and targeted ads. But to say devices like the Nexus 6 and 6p are no profit devices when the price increases by $200 per device doesn't add up. They aren't priced much lower than comparable devices from Samsung and LG.

 

[bunique4life05]

I was pointing out that the cost per device for most flagships is around $200-300. If the Nexus OEM isn't buying in such large quantities and isn't getting as much of a discount as those that do, the cost per device would go up. You're saying that the build costs would be the same, since they're selling them in lower quantities, which overall may be true, but the cost per device would go up.

I understand what the Verge reporter is trying to say, and that may have been true with the devices I mentioned before (Nexus 4, 5, 5x, and the Nexus 7 2012 & 2013), but in the case of devices like the Nexus 6 and 6p, they are asking the same price that most comparable non Nexus devices are getting. If you consider that incorrect, then the previous devices I mentioned would've been sold for a significant loss. I remember reading that when the Nexus 4 and 2012 Nexus 7 debuted, they were only getting around $10 over their costs. So if that the case, and the Nexus 4 was only getting around $400-450 per device, how can a Nexus 6 or 6p not make any profit when they're getting upwards of $600 per device. It's not like the difference in hardware is another $200. The displays on these devices are usually the most expensive component yet their individual cost is usually around $50. This year's Moto X has specs the same or better than least years Nexus 6, yet they're getting $400 per device to start. If what you say is true, then they are taking a big loss on every X Pure Edition they're selling, since they also don't sell in large quantities. The X Pure Edition is closer specs wise to the 6p, yet sells for $100 less. That makes no sense.

And again, one key thing the Verge author left out as to why OEMs don't like to make Nexus devices, is that they have to split the profits with Google. On their own branded devices, they have full reign over what components they use and how much they charge for devices. In the case of a Nexus device, Google specified what components they want in the device, and then after the sale a percentage of their profits go to Google. So they get less per device than they would selling their own branded devices. However, that doesn't mean there's no profit in them, it just means that each party sees less since the profit is split two ways instead of one. The only devices that were really unprofitable were the Nexus devices from 2012 and 2013, since the profit margin was so thin that Google essentially sold them for nothing and LG and Asus made $10 per device, which was more than likely a plan by Google to get Nexus devices better exposure than they had gotten previously. Instead in those years they made their money on the backend with their services and targeted ads. But to say devices like the Nexus 6 and 6p are no profit devices when the price increases by $200 per device doesn't add up. They aren't priced much lower than comparable devices from Samsung and LG.

Nexus
Build cost same (average)
mark up cut down (Below average)
demand (low)
Split Profit or Not
Equals Below than average profit

Most Competitors
Build cost same(average)
mark up (average)
demand(High)
Equals Higher than average profit.

Google never really releases profits earned or exact units sold for anyone assay the profit actually earned.

 

[vzwuser76]

Nexus
Build cost same (average)
mark up cut down (Below average)
demand (low)
Split Profit or Not
Equals Below than average profit

Most Competitors
Build cost same(average)
mark up (average)
demand(High)
Equals Higher than average profit.

Google never really releases profits earned or exact units sold for anyone assay the profit actually earned.

So you're saying that two devices, Nexus 6p and a competitor, both cost around the same to produce, both are costing about the same to the consumer and have similar specs, but one is profitable and another isn't. If they're not marking up the cost, then how is it costing around the same price as it's competition? I never said that the 5x was a very profitable device, LG seems to be returning to what they did with the 4 and 5. But the 6 and 6p are both charging similar prices for the specs as competing devices. I think what you're trying to say overall they aren't making profit because they don't sell in the same volume as others and also because one model is sold with a minimum markup. What I am saying is that devices like the 6 and 6p are profitable, maybe not as much as say Samsung, but probably as profitable per device as most other Android OEMs.

What you say might make sense, if not for Motorola, who is in the same boat as Nexus. They also don't sell in the neighborhood of Galaxy devices, yet they have a comparable phone as the 6p in their X Pure and are charging $100 less. So if what you say is true and the 6p isn't making a profit, does that mean that Motorola is losing money on the Pure? Again, I'm talking per device, you seem to be saying that their overall profit is lower because they don't sell in as high a volume as other models and therefore are less profitable.

 

[Chiver 44]

Posted this on another forum but I ordered a 6p 64gb on Huawei website today. $549 total with shipping and no tax.

 

[bunique4life05]

So you're saying that two devices, Nexus 6p and a competitor, both cost around the same to produce, both are costing about the same to the consumer and have similar specs, but one is profitable and another isn't. If they're not marking up the cost, then how is it costing around the same price as it's competition?

One you said nexus 6p price is not under cut much less compared to similar products.(Now by price referring to the consumer price) Second I am going on your build cost of $200 to $300 build cost as you stated as average for smart phones similar to 6p. This concludes me saying Nexus 6p has same build cost that competitor but competitors mark up is higher. Then going I argued that if keeping build cost at going rate but under cutting going rate of mark up with add low demand would leave with less than going rate of profit return for single device compared to competitor.

I never said that the 5x was a very profitable device, LG seems to be returning to what they did with the 4 and 5. But the 6 and 6p are both charging similar prices for the specs as competing devices. I think what you're trying to say overall they aren't making profit because they don't sell in the same volume as others and also because one model is sold with a minimum markup. What I am saying is that devices like the 6 and 6p are profitable, maybe not as much as say Samsung, but probably as profitable per device as most other Android OEMs.

Yes I agree as well 5X not very profitable device though regardless if stated or not, I meant if 5x or 6p neither going be very profitable.

Even separate 5X from the argument Google was just making 6P it still wouldn't be any more profitable. In your terms of "volume" what I am saying on 6P is that because the build cost is at going rate but markup is under going rate with low demand(volume) would leave profit under the going rate(average) vs similar competitive device.

FYI when I am referring to "demand" I am saying: the amount the product is sold overall but as well over time and the speed of which product is sold. A low demand will have a small amount devices sold but also demand for product will not last long. A high demand will have a large amount products sold and demand for product will last longer. Why is this relevant will like try state earlier. The build cost is based on buying parts in bulk and technology get cheaper over time. If your demand is high and then continually make more profit over time because same product is getting cheaper to make.

Google and OEM Competitor are going in on same build cost as there investment but Google under cuts average markup and has below average demand can not be profitable.

What you say might make sense, if not for Motorola, who is in the same boat as Nexus. They also don't sell in the neighborhood of Galaxy devices, yet they have a comparable phone as the 6p in their X Pure and are charging $100 less. So if what you say is true and the 6p isn't making a profit, does that mean that Motorola is losing money on the Pure? Again, I'm talking per device, you seem to be saying that their overall profit is lower because they don't sell in as high a volume as other models and therefore are less profitable.

Moto X Pure build quality,cameras,processor and down glass type are lower level which would equate cheaper hardware all together. The MXP also doesn't have new android hub chip or fingerprint reader(FYI MXP has extra moto chipset not equal to andriod hub in cost because MXP chipset has used since the original Moto X). Moto has a history products and Moto X line is not new and actually was a hit in it first gen. Moto's market and demand is small but it's part of bigger market of majority where Nexus is market niche and is of minority. Regardless since Moto X Pure and 6P are not same class device with same build cost that if the Moto X Pure make profit or not is not direct correlation of what 6P will do because it's not apples to apples comparison.

 

[Emperor]

Posted this on another forum but I ordered a 6p 64gb on Huawei website today. $549 total with shipping and no tax.

I am trying to hold out for a 128GB model but the wait and not knowing when I can order is starting to get to me.

Posted via Nexus 64GB Beast

 

[anon(9682267)]

Posted this on another forum but I ordered a 6p 64gb on Huawei website today. $549 total with shipping and no tax.

hi there, it's been 1 week that i try to order from their gethuawei website and at the last step , when i hit the "place order" button it says to contact their customer support, and that they are facing issues. After contacting them they told me that they have a problem with website that they are trying to solve.

did you order went through ok?

 

[scavenger3]

I meant will they restock before the 25th, the preorder deadline for the 50$ card from google.

Also, im not sure which model to buy, can i get some opinions?
im not sure how much the OS will take up, but im looking at the 64 gig...
I will load a bunch of movies, books, and tv shows, as well as music onto it, and not sure how much space ill need to do that.

 

[bpe4]

I meant will they restock before the 25th, the preorder deadline for the 50$ card from google.

Also, im not sure which model to buy, can i get some opinions?
im not sure how much the OS will take up, but im looking at the 64 gig...
I will load a bunch of movies, books, and tv shows, as well as music onto it, and not sure how much space ill need to do that.

From the unboxing videos, it looks like a 32gb model will give you 25GB Available out-of-the-box, which translates to around 55GB being available on a 64GB model.

On a side note... I wonder what 'out of stock' for the 64gb and 128gb means....if they have X amount sitting in warehouses now of phones already built, and they know what their daily production amounts are.. I'm not sure why they would have to STOP pre-orders of devices, but simply push the estimated date of delivery based on the pre-order queue (versus current stock and daily production).

 

[mxmarcus]

This is great.
Now I don't have to get it