That would be oversaturated. I prefer a more accurate color represantion, which is why I like my X. Compaired to a Galaxy S phone it seems dim but the X is the phone with the accurate reproduction. And the iPhone is undersaturated.
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That would be oversaturated. I prefer a more accurate color represantion, which is why I like my X. Compaired to a Galaxy S phone it seems dim but the X is the phone with the accurate reproduction. And the iPhone is undersaturated.
Products like Acer can compete on the low end. A lot of their laptops though they seem to cheap out on parts (and thus reliability) in order to undercut their competitors prices. But what else can you expect from the company that bought gateway (not owned by toshiba)
I would be blown away if apple doubled their storage on the ipad. I just haven't seen the expansion in other areas of the market either. When the iPad 1 came out, top end SSD's were 256-512GB. Today, top end SSD's are 256-512GB. Phones have stayed the same size. Ram chips are still 2Gb unless you pay a premium (not sure if they use the same type of memory in those though). The sizes in these devices have not doubled recently.
I'm with you for the most part. Like I said, I doubt the storage increase. The real danger is this. You pay $70 more for basically the same thing (not sure I believe the retina display rumors) on a more well known product. Then you have the real kicker. There are cheaper iPads. Motorola needs to make cheaper XOOM models.
As a captivate owner, who hangs out with a lot of iphone 4 owners, the iPhone 4 blows the S-AMOLED out of the water when it comes to text, it's somewhat of a wash at pictures (The iPhone 4 is dull in some colors, and the SAMOLED is over saturated in others), and the captivate is better at video. At least, in my opinion. However, I like the 4" over 3.5", it goes some way to eliminate the text issue.
They are most likely going to the SGX543 if the rumors are to be believed, which I imagine is similiar to the GPU in T2. They would also be amazingly dumb to not use the opportunity for a dual core A9 chip, they can call it the A5, just like they took an A8 chip and called it A4.
I just wanted to quote this. 100% agree with everything here.
Storage not ram. They up the storage in almost every generation. So their top end iPad might have 128gb not 64gb but will be the price of the 64gb model from this year.
My entire post was about storage (minus one example that may or may not be relavent as I'm not sure if they use the same type of NAND, which I stated in my post). Reread please. No other NAND storage device that I've seen has doubled since the iPad 1, and for most, the current storage options are enough and money is probably being spent elsewhere. The latest iPhone/iPod iterations didn't increase either.
They did not go up because there was not a product avail if they wanted it. But in Q4 Toshiba started mass producing 128GB chips. Which makes them just in time to hit the iPad2 in theory.
Toshiba Launches Industry?s Largest Embedded NAND Flash Memory Modules
I agree that as of now the size is fine but if these devices are going to be the one device to carry. Have a tablet and a phone then 64GB is probablly not enough. And if video chat comes the standard, which I think it will not, then the phone itself could go. I know I am looking foward to a time when I carry one device but right now I have my iPad and my X. And hopefully LTE can solve that making voip just have to carry a headset.
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It seems like most of us agree that the Xoom must have a version that is priced at $499 or less to compete with the ipad or the tablet market is possibly doomed to end up like the mp3 market. I don't think motorola, samsung and htc would be this stupid not to compete on price since Apple has so much mindshare and a large headstart.......then again look at the galaxy tab and how that turned out.
The other MAJOR advantage apple seems to have is not being tied to carriers. I think the major android manufacturers have signed their souls to the "carrier devils" and that will ultimately hamper their ability to release a competitive wifi only version in a reasonable time frame.
The other MAJOR advantage apple seems to have is not being tied to carriers. I think the major android manufacturers have signed their souls to the "carrier devils" and that will ultimately hamper their ability to release a competitive wifi only version in a reasonable time frame.
Apple's enjoyed a MASSIVE markup on their iphone for years, which allowed them to raid the R&D money for the ipad independently. (Their earnings call this week had their Gross Profit at a staggering 22%). Motorola Mobile was just spun off from Motorola itself, so I have to imagine funding is kind of tight.
Phone makers are used to the "work with carriers to make phones, get research money from them." plan. I agree, they need to break from that (and make a wifi only version to compete) but it's going to be a bit harder for them than it will be for other companies.
What should (Ideally) happen is that HTC do it. This past quarter their GP was 14%, so hopefully they can start pouring more into independant RD.
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I agree wholeheartedly. You make good points here, particularly regarding Apple's mindshare lead and headstart (not to mention the tech blog world's infatuation leading to almost unpaid advertising IMO )
We'll see. There are a lot of rumors about iPad2. IMHO, a lot of people are going to be let down. I predict an evolutionary improvement in the iPad2, not a revolutionary one.
And I don't see how Apple can significantly improve the hardware and beat the significantly beat the price of the XOOM.
Many feel these companies are making money hand over fist from these products. I really don't think they are. I'm sure there is some room to move, but not the hundreds of dollars people are bantering about. Eelectronic products typically sell for 5X the BOM cost. These things are going closer to 3X. When you consider the manufacturing costs, shipping costs, middle men and company stores, etc... that pie gets mighty small. They are making up for their lower margins with accessories and services.
As for other offerings... IMHO, it's the same story. We'll see. I think we will find the hardware just doesn't match up. If it does, we might see a $100 difference between a top name manufacturer, like an Mot or LG, and an "also ran" manufacturer.
For me... For an extra C-note?... I think staying with the top brand. Especially when that top brand is the flag-ship development hardware platform for Honeycomb.
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Whew! That's a lot of rumors that need to turn out to be true!
It's already true. I do all my document, spreadsheet and presentation generation on-line now. I store all my data on-line now. I have shared workspace with associates on-line now.
All I need is for the compilers and studios I use (and are available on Linux now) to migrate to Android. The base stations all advertise USB ports, so I'm assuming dev systems and ICEs will not be a problem. Once all that happens, I won't even own a traditional computer.
But that's just me. Most people don't need compilers and they don't work with development boards. The average computer user just needs to generate biz files and share their work.
Throw in enough processing power to also provide entertainment and what do you have? The XOOM.
The computer (as we know it) is dead (well, at least dying). Long live the computer.
Whew! That's a lot of rumors that need to turn out to be true!
Yes but the dual core can almost be a given. The A9 dual core is there and they have been using the modified A8. And the rest of it would be making the specs better than the Xoom. So with just the dual core it comes down to a matter of choice since specs will be close enough to equal. And since the best selling iPad version is the wifi only at $499. Not having one in that ballpark right off the bat is not a good move in my opinion.
Lets keep the price game going. Best buy price check shows $799 again.
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I think I would have to wait at the price of $800, especially until I can see what the HTC Tablet(s) will have.
that is problem w/ all these tablets something comes out and then they come out w/ something alot better in a few days after the release. I really hate being a tech junkie at times. $699 is still a step price, but I would still get it if I didn't have my galaxy tab.
$699 is not bad. if you figure the Wifi only mode will be $50-$100 cheeper that puts it right in where I was expecting it.
With that said Tegra 3... NVIDA are you trying to kill, me really? may have to wait for it to drop and see when tables with that come out and how much they are.
With that said Tegra 3... NVIDA are you trying to kill, me really? may have to wait for it to drop and see when tables with that come out and how much they are.
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