808 vs. 810 processor...Your reaction?

[warpdrive]

A dedicated gaming device can be a console or a mobile device. What I meant was, and it's just an opinion, is that no serious gamer plays smartphones games that heavily. I barely play games myself but if I were I'd much rather do it on a dated ps2 or a handheld console. The number of people that want maximum mobile gaming performance on a smartphone can't be that large. Most quick casual games don't need a lot of horsepower, hence why incremental processor upgrades make no difference to performance. I don't think the 808 will make any difference to 96% of the population. They simply don't care or need the extra graphical power

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I used to think just like you a few years back. I mean, just what kind of serious gamers would even play on a console with dumbed down graphics and poor controls instead of on a PC?

I was the type who built his own gaming rigs every 3 years and would upgrade at least the graphics card once in between building a new rig. To cut costs, I'd over clock the crap out of the CPU and add extra cooling (one time I even set up a water cooled rig).

But just like myself back in the day, you think that anything but a PC or console can't be real hard core gaming. Thinking that mobile is just for casual games is silly. And you would be surprised at how many play some of the top hard core games for hours each day. Some like myself are even streaming games from our PC to our tablets and phones so that we are no longer tied to a desk and can now play in our backyard or the living room couch.

Many companys are putting AAA titles on mobile too. 2K being one of the biggest. But there are many mobile game companys that are putting out top games that rival some of the most popular PC and console games out today and the past. I'm clearly not talking about games like flappy bird that you belive that is all you can do on mobile.

When people play games like FPS and mmorpg, they play for hours at a time just like if you are on a PC playing world of warcraft or call of duty. So what if the graphics are slightly dated? Who the heck can afford a grand each year for a new graphics card anyway. The costs of even building a gaming rig today is getting out of hand, and consoles know that they better offer more than just gaming or the public won't buy them, hence look at how they are now entertainment systems.

Game streaming is also getting huge fast. The past two years Nvidia has done a great job putting out a streaming service that allows you to play some of the top PC games that can be played on their original shield portable and tablet. Later this year they are adding far more titles and a set top box that will have a service more like Netflix but for gaming.

If gamers didn't play on mobile Nvidia wouldn't be interested in such a service and instead Titan fall would never be played on mobile.

But really, I was just like you. Consoles were for casuals only, and handheld devices were for children. But today, things are changing. More and more gamers can't even afford buy or build a PC. Consoles are not that much cheaper when you start to add up everything including the TV and sound system.

Let's also not forget that all games run at 1080p on our phones even with a 1440 screen, not because developers are lazy, but the gpu inside our phones aren't powerful enough to run them at a higher resolution. So I have no idea why you think that mobile gaming don't require high end hardware.

Disclaimer: this reply has nothing to do with the G4 or any phone in general. I am not implying that the G4 can't play games. I'm just giving my thoughts on the subject of gaming and how it is slowly changing and debunking some myths.

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[dpham00]

I watched it as well.

I'm surprised at how much faster the G4 was when opening the camera, and despite the seemingly weaker SoC, it's snappier overall.

Excellent optimization by LG if that's so.

The biggest advantage of the s6 is that you can double click from anywhere. So I can have it in my pocket, and as I am pulling the phone out, double click to open the camera.

Of course this is preliminary and I don't have a g4 in hand yet, so we will see.

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[dpham00]

With regards to the original question in the op, it doesn't really bother me, so long as it runs well. I use my old g2 sometimes, and sometimes it feels faster than my s6 edge.

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[Bodzm]

I used to think just like you a few years back. I mean, just what kind of serious gamers would even play on a console with dumbed down graphics and poor controls instead of on a PC?

I was the type who built his own gaming rigs every 3 years and would upgrade at least the graphics card once in between building a new rig. To cut costs, I'd over clock the crap out of the CPU and add extra cooling (one time I even set up a water cooled rig).

But just like myself back in the day, you think that anything but a PC or console can't be real hard core gaming. Thinking that mobile is just for casual games is silly. And you would be surprised at how many play some of the top hard core games for hours each day. Some like myself are even streaming games from our PC to our tablets and phones so that we are no longer tied to a desk and can now play in our backyard or the living room couch.

Many companys are putting AAA titles on mobile too. 2K being one of the biggest. But there are many mobile game companys that are putting out top games that rival some of the most popular PC and console games out today and the past. I'm clearly not talking about games like flappy bird that you belive that is all you can do on mobile.

When people play games like FPS and mmorpg, they play for hours at a time just like if you are on a PC playing world of warcraft or call of duty. So what if the graphics are slightly dated? Who the heck can afford a grand each year for a new graphics card anyway. The costs of even building a gaming rig today is getting out of hand, and consoles know that they better offer more than just gaming or the public won't buy them, hence look at how they are now entertainment systems.

Game streaming is also getting huge fast. The past two years Nvidia has done a great job putting out a streaming service that allows you to play some of the top PC games that can be played on their original shield portable and tablet. Later this year they are adding far more titles and a set top box that will have a service more like Netflix but for gaming.

If gamers didn't play on mobile Nvidia wouldn't be interested in such a service and instead Titan fall would never be played on mobile.

But really, I was just like you. Consoles were for casuals only, and handheld devices were for children. But today, things are changing. More and more gamers can't even afford buy or build a PC. Consoles are not that much cheaper when you start to add up everything including the TV and sound system.

Let's also not forget that all games run at 1080p on our phones even with a 1440 screen, not because developers are lazy, but the gpu inside our phones aren't powerful enough to run them at a higher resolution. So I have no idea why you think that mobile gaming don't require high end hardware.

Disclaimer: this reply has nothing to do with the G4 or any phone in general. I am not implying that the G4 can't play games. I'm just giving my thoughts on the subject of gaming and how it is slowly changing and debunking some myths.

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I still think you are in the small minority. A couple of dropped frames in intense/heavy games is not gonna translate remotely to anything in normal everyday usage, or multitasking. Graphic intensive gaming on a mobile phone is a niche

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[D13H4RD2L1V3]

The biggest advantage of the s6 is that you can double click from anywhere. So I can have it in my pocket, and as I am pulling the phone out, double click to open the camera.

Of course this is preliminary and I don't have a g4 in hand yet, so we will see.

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You can do the same with the down volume key on the G4.

It also takes a pic while doing so if you have Quick Shot enabled. It launches in 0.6 seconds.

 

[dpham00]

You can do the same with the down volume key on the G4.

It also takes a pic while doing so if you have Quick Shot enabled. It launches in 0.6 seconds.

I think home button is easier to find in pocket, but I will give it a try when I get mine. I really do want the g4 to do well.

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[warpdrive]

I still think you are in the small minority. A couple of dropped frames in intense/heavy games is not gonna translate remotely to anything in normal everyday usage, or multitasking. Graphic intensive gaming on a mobile phone is a niche

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Absolutely it's niche. All hardcore gaming is even on consoles and PC. Most on mobile play freemium games....or the worst thing to ever happen to gaming.

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[mohit9206]

No. 4K will make very little to no difference on a smartphone screen.

The G3 and G4's ppi is already at a milky-way 538ppi. That's far higher than other smartphones minus the Galaxy S6/HTC One M9+. Put both 1080p and 1440p side-by-side and you'll struggle to see the difference. It's noticeable but less so compared to 720p vs 1080p.

Adding 4K is pointless. It makes a difference that only people with microscopic vision can see (which means it's very near-impossible to see any difference) and only serves to increase battery consumption, meaning more frequent recharges. It makes more sense on large tablets, as the higher resolution screen on a larger screen size means the difference is more noticeable and their larger size means that they can fit a larger battery.

Also, note that these smartphones have much higher PPIs than 4K TVs, mainly due to their much smaller size. For reference. the LG 49UB8500 4K UHD TV has a PPI of 89.91.

Funny you say that. People said the same thing going from 720p to 1080p. Full hd ona phone? Are you kidding me? Who and why the hell wants full hd on a mobile screen? You won't notice the difference at all.
Then cut and paste the same quote from 1080p to 1440p.
Now you say the same thing for 4k and yet again you will be proved wrong when 4k phones start coming out next year and everyone will want one. So yeah you're wrong.

 

[thatguy97]

Funny you say that. People said the same thing going from 720p to 1080p. Full hd ona phone? Are you kidding me? Who and why the hell wants full hd on a mobile screen? You won't notice the difference at all.
Then cut and paste the same quote from 1080p to 1440p.
Now you say the same thing for 4k and yet again you will be proved wrong when 4k phones start coming out next year and everyone will want one. So yeah you're wrong.

OK you enjoy you're 1 minute battery life while I have a functional phone that's still has a great screen and lasts longer

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[Golfdriver97]

I think some of the problems the 810 is having, and I am echoing a comment found on a different thread, is due to it being the first in the series. Perhaps in the next iteration of the chip, some of the flaws will be ironed out.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Funny you say that. People said the same thing going from 720p to 1080p. Full hd ona phone? Are you kidding me? Who and why the hell wants full hd on a mobile screen? You won't notice the difference at all.
Then cut and paste the same quote from 1080p to 1440p.
Now you say the same thing for 4k and yet again you will be proved wrong when 4k phones start coming out next year and everyone will want one. So yeah you're wrong.

I don't remember anyone saying that.

The difference between 720p and 1080p is significant, but that difference becomes more and more minimal but still significant when the screen size is smaller. Likewise, the difference between 1080p and 1440p is far less because the pixels are already so tiny on 1080p, that it's difficult to see much difference. I put my HTC One M7 next to a Galaxy S6 and honestly, I thought the S6 was 1080p.

The same applies for 4K. Like I said, a 49" UHD 4K TV has a ppi of 90. On a phone, it's a whopping 800+. But ask yourself this. Is it worth trading battery life for all those extra pixels that serve no real-world benefit?

4K will not change my tune. 1440p is the max phones should go for and I applaud LG for using a new display tech rather than just adding more pixels, unlike *cough*Samsung*cough*

 

[dpham00]

I think some of the problems the 810 is having, and I am echoing a comment found on a different thread, is due to it being the first in the series. Perhaps in the next iteration of the chip, some of the flaws will be ironed out.

The 820 will use custom cores and 14nm,so it shouldn't be an issue.

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[D13H4RD2L1V3]

The 820 will use custom cores and 14nm,so it shouldn't be an issue.

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It's featuring Qualcomm's in-house Kryo chip, to be exact.

The 808 and 810 along with their other 64-bit chips are running Cortex CPUs.

 

[Kaiser Droid]

I'm really glad LG went with the 808, should be better on battery life and run cooler - I won't be playing 2K FPS games on it so I don't really care about performance in gaming, just as long as it performs smooth and fluidly in all the usual things, e.g. openings apps, doing basic things, having a dozen tabs in a browser open.

 

[Trent9810]

As long as it can play 1080 videos with out skipping or freezing i don't care. The user experience is what counts.

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[Bodzm]

As long as it can play 1080 videos with out skipping or freezing i don't care. The user experience is what counts.

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Most budget phones will do this no problem. The Alcatel Idol 3 is looking damn good

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[Trent9810]

Very true.

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[Ericks89]

I am inclined to agree. I think this will give the S6 a run for it's money.

UI speed is going to be the same, we've already reached that point where smartphones are just fast... just look a few years back and compare them to today's phones, huge difference!

But the processor in the S6 is better than the 808 and even beating the 810 but only by a margin from all the articles I've read, doesn't mean the 808 or 810 are bad just means samsung has a slightly better processor. LG G4 will be good but plastic just feels tacky, and if they're working with leather it can't be high quality based on the price... the leather alone can be as much or if not more (if it's truly high quality) than the phone itself...

 

[doggy2965]

UI speed is going to be the same, we've already reached that point where smartphones are just fast... just look a few years back and compare them to today's phones, huge difference!

But the processor in the S6 is better than the 808 and even beating the 810 but only by a margin from all the articles I've read, doesn't mean the 808 or 810 are bad just means samsung has a slightly better processor. LG G4 will be good but plastic just feels tacky, and if they're working with leather it can't be high quality based on the price... the leather alone can be as much or if not more (if it's truly high quality) than the phone itself...

Can't trust Samsung benchmarks they tend to cheat the tests. Hands on is the only way to know

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[UJ95x]

Can't trust Samsung benchmarks they tend to cheat the tests. Hands on is the only way to know

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They used to cheat...not anymore. I'm sure they would have gotten caught again after it was first found out that they did.