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Buddy and Toby on a lazy snow day

 

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This is Chewie's idea of a snow day. He is barking that she isn't throwing snowballs fast enough.

 

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Buddy and Toby on a lazy snow day

Adorable napping pals

 

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This is Chewie's idea of a snow day. He is barking that she isn't throwing snowballs fast enough.

Chewie looks like a wonderful & delightful Golden Retriever!

 

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Chewie looks like a wonderful & delightful Golden Retriever!

He absolutely is. My oldest insists he's the best dog ever. Believe it or not, his mother was an Aussie. He has some black splotches in his fur in a few places, and spots on his tongue, but mostly just looks like a Golden.

 

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He absolutely is. My oldest insists he's the best dog ever. Believe it or not, his mother was an Aussie. He has some black splotches in his fur in a few places, and spots on his tongue, but mostly just looks like a Golden.

Well he's very beautiful !;-) I've always loved Golden's, as well as black & yellow Labs! I used to be a Gunner for a very large Retriever Club that held big field trials, every Jan. thru August, where the multiple water/pond retrievals/marks were of course the main events.

My ex & I purchased a beautiful Golden Retriever puppy back in 93' - that she eventually bred, and thereafter has had clients from around the entire U.S. on waiting lists for her next litters/pups. Or so I've heard and noticed once or twice on FB postings &c.

From a very young age, I always had Llewellin English Setter - Grouse (Dusky/Blue, Ruffed, Sharptail, Sage Grouses) & Upland bird (Chukar, Hungarian partridge, Quail, Pheasant) hunting dogs (yet indoor/house dogs, who loved to go fishing and everywhere while riding in the front seat of my old 51' Mercury & 52' Ford pickups, type of best friend/dogs —from the 60's thru the 90's), while hunting the Washington, Idaho, Oregon regions of the great Snake, Salmon, Grand Ronde & Tucannon river slopes, ridges and basins.
Tried breeding a couple times, (sent a female all the way from Washington State -to- Pennsylvania to be bred to the 'National Grouse Champion' Llewellin Setter 'Wire') that sadly ended in utter catastrophe. =(( And after very sadly having to put my last three Setters down—within a 6yr span—for the first time in my life ....presently, I haven't had a dog/best friend for almost 20yrs. . . Notwithstanding several cats.

But I digress, sorry! Mainly wanted to say that if I wouldn't have had Llewellin English Setters, I would've loved living & sharing life with Golden Retrievers, or Aussie mixes, like yours.

 

[Laura Knotek]

Well he's very beautiful !;-) I've always loved Golden's, as well as black & yellow Labs! I used to be a Gunner for a very large Retriever Club that held big field trials, every Jan. thru August, where the multiple water/pond retrievals/marks were of course the main events.

My ex & I purchased a beautiful Golden Retriever puppy back in 93' - that she eventually bred, and thereafter has had clients from around the entire U.S. on waiting lists for her next litters/pups. Or so I've heard and noticed once or twice on FB postings &c.

From a very young age, I always had Llewellin English Setter - Grouse (Dusky/Blue, Ruffed, Sharptail, Sage Grouses) & Upland bird (Chukar, Hungarian partridge, Quail, Pheasant) hunting dogs (yet indoor/house dogs, who loved to go fishing and everywhere while riding in the front seat of my old 51' Mercury & 52' Ford pickups, type of best friend/dogs —from the 60's thru the 90's), while hunting the Washington, Idaho, Oregon regions of the great Snake, Salmon, Grand Ronde & Tucannon river slopes, ridges and basins.
Tried breeding a couple times, (sent a female all the way from Washington State -to- Pennsylvania to be bred to the 'National Grouse Champion' Llewellin Setter 'Wire') that sadly ended in utter catastrophe. =(( And after very sadly having to put my last three Setters down—within a 6yr span—for the first time in my life ....presently, I haven't had a dog/best friend for almost 20yrs. . . Notwithstanding several cats.

But I digress, sorry! Mainly wanted to say that if I wouldn't have had Llewellin English Setters, I would've loved living & sharing life with Golden Retrievers, or Aussie mixes, like yours.

I've never heard of Llewellin English Setters. How are they different from regular English Setters?

 

[jhilker]

Our Wilson went in for teeth cleaning, and the vet found that one of his molars needed to be extracted. He's on pain meds, so he's spending a lot of time snoozing.

 

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Our Wilson went in for teeth cleaning, and the vet found that one of his molars needed to be extracted. He's on pain meds, so he's spending a lot of time snoozing.

Poor guy =( That must've hurt a little when he woke up. =(
Hope he heals swiftly and perfectly, with no more dental issues.
Your Wilson (love that name !=) looks like such a good boy!

 

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I've never heard of Llewellin English Setters. How are they different from regular English Setters?

Good question Laura! =) And one that, upon seeing this.... you're probably already regretting asking ! Because here's more information than you probably ever wanted to know!

And I guess it can be a rather confusing label to use, (as it supposedly refers to pure bloodlines documented by pedigrees dating back to the mid 1800's, of which can rarely be proven), and therefore, one of the best explanations that I've ever read concerning the 'Llewellin' label was written by:
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"Horace Lytle, one time gundog editor of Field & Stream, author and a well-known gundog trainer, clarified this in the book 'How to Train Your Bird Dog', which he wrote in 1928:"

"Another tremendous uncertainty exists among the widest possible class of hunters with reference to the so-called Llewellin Setters. Llewellin Setters are nothing more – and nothing less – than English Setters. Llewellin Setters are simply English Setters that trace back to two particular English Setters. They represent a certain definite English Setter ancestry. That's all there is to it. Thus an English Setter may not always be a "Llewellin"; but a "Llewellin" is always an English Setter. Furthermore, the craze for this particular strain that came to this country with the importation of the first "Llewellins" caused ninety per cent of the owners of all Setters that are not either distinctly Irish or Gordon, to refer to their dogs as "Llewellins". Yet in ninety per cent of these cases, the dogs so referred to are not of the Llewellin strain at all. Not one person in a hundred who owns an English Setter can tell even from the pedigree whether the dog is of the Llewellin strain or not. They simply don't know. Most of those who refer to their Setters as "Llewellins" do so because the name is rather euphonious and pleasing to pronounce. Many of those who really do know, insist that their Llewellins be one hundred per cent, and they refer to those that are not as "grades". If there is even as little as 3 per cent "outcross," these few are inclined to feel that the dog is nothing but a rank plebeian. All of which is really ridiculous – at least so think a good many of us who have thought the matter out."

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Me again. Noting that . . . (all quotations between the dash-mark lines are copy & pastes from Wiki.
Sorry for their boorish length, abv & below; with hopes they will help to make more sense than this poor explanation of mine):

As I guess it can be a bit confusing, at times, so I should've probably left the Llewellin part off.
The short answer is..... pure bred Llewellin English Setters are regular English Setters, in every way, with the Llewellin classification or breed-type mainly used, or added, tagged by English Setter (ES) owner's wishing to differentiate or classify, but mainly to describe their ES's as 'Bird Dogs', and being of or from the field trial & bird hunting lines of ES's, —rather than from or of the larger/taller 'dog show' types of ES's (typically referred to as of the 'Lavarack' strains or breeds of ES's), with the very long feathering (long hair) off/from the backs of the legs and the tail. So, basically used by ES owner's wishing to classify their ES's as from the hunting bloodlines and breeding, even though their ES's may not have pure Llewellin bloodlines.

And . . . if that wasn't boring enough, here's more:

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"Historically, many dogs descending from the same bloodline were referred to by the name of their breeder or owner and the nomenclatures "Laverack Setter" and "Llewellin Setter" describe English Setters bred by Laverack and Llewellin. "

"Breed development

The modern English Setter owes its appearance to Edward Laverack (1800–1877), who developed his own strain of the breed by careful breeding during the 19th century in England and to another Englishman, Richard Purcell Llewellin (1840–1925), who founded his strain using Laverack's best dogs and outcrossed them with the Duke, Rhoebe and later Duke's littermate Kate bloodlines with the best results."

"Ch Mallwyd Sirdar, an English Setter from the Laverack bloodline. He was said to be admired by both fanciers and shooting men."

"Around 1826, Reverend A Harrison of Carlisle in Cumbria sold a male dog called "Ponto" and a female named "Old Moll" to Laverack and this pair formed the foundation of his English Setters. Laverack did not know the exact pedigree of these dogs but maintained the strain had been pure-bred for the previous thirty-five years. Laverack closely inbred to these two dogs for generations and his bloodline was successful in dog shows and as a working dog in field trials."

"Rodfield's Pride, an English Setter from the Llewellin bloodline. He won several stakes in the autumn of 1902."

"In 1874, C. H. Raymond from Morris Plains, New Jersey imported the first English Setter from the Laverack bloodline to America. The working setter Count Noble descended from these early imports and is commemorated in the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh. "

"Llewellin's strain was based on Laverack's best dogs, which were then outcrossed with the bloodlines of his dogs Duke, Rhoebe and later Duke's littermate, Kate. It was Kate bred with Laverack's best hunting males that produced Llewellin's ideals Fd.Ch.Ch. Armstrong's Dash II and later Fd.Ch.Ch Dashing Bondhu. They were the foundation of Llewellin's personal strain known as "Dashing Bondhu". "
"William Humphrey (1882–1963) inherited them from Llewellin in 1925 and continued them pure until his death in 1963. Jim the Wonder Dog, described as a Llewellin setter, was said to have "possessed an occult power" and there is a bronze statue of him in a memorial garden on the square in Marshall, Missouri, built to commemorate him."
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. . . apologies again for the boorish length of all that ^.

 

[Laura Knotek]

Our Wilson went in for teeth cleaning, and the vet found that one of his molars needed to be extracted. He's on pain meds, so he's spending a lot of time snoozing.

Aww, poor boy! Get well soon, Wilson.

 

[Laura Knotek]

Good question Laura! =) And one that, upon seeing this.... you're probably already regretting asking ! Because here's more information than you probably ever wanted to know!

And I guess it can be a rather confusing label to use, (as it supposedly refers to pure bloodlines documented by pedigrees dating back to the mid 1800's, of which can rarely be proven), and therefore, one of the best explanations that I've ever read concerning the 'Llewellin' label was written by:
---------------------
"Horace Lytle, one time gundog editor of Field & Stream, author and a well-known gundog trainer, clarified this in the book 'How to Train Your Bird Dog', which he wrote in 1928:"

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Me again. Noting that . . . (all quotations between the dash-mark lines are copy & pastes from Wiki.
Sorry for their boorish length, abv & below; with hopes they will help to make more sense than this poor explanation of mine):

As I guess it can be a bit confusing, at times, so I should've probably left the Llewellin part off.
The short answer is..... pure bred Llewellin English Setters are regular English Setters, in every way, with the Llewellin classification or breed-type mainly used, or added, tagged by English Setter (ES) owner's wishing to differentiate or classify, but mainly to describe their ES's as 'Bird Dogs', and being of or from the field trial & bird hunting lines of ES's, —rather than from or of the larger/taller 'dog show' types of ES's (typically referred to as of the 'Lavarack' strains or breeds of ES's), with the very long feathering (long hair) off/from the backs of the legs and the tail. So, basically used by ES owner's wishing to classify their ES's as from the hunting bloodlines and breeding, even though their ES's may not have pure Llewellin bloodlines.

And . . . if that wasn't boring enough, here's more:

--------------------------
"Historically, many dogs descending from the same bloodline were referred to by the name of their breeder or owner and the nomenclatures "Laverack Setter" and "Llewellin Setter" describe English Setters bred by Laverack and Llewellin. "

"Breed development

The modern English Setter owes its appearance to Edward Laverack (1800–1877), who developed his own strain of the breed by careful breeding during the 19th century in England and to another Englishman, Richard Purcell Llewellin (1840–1925), who founded his strain using Laverack's best dogs and outcrossed them with the Duke, Rhoebe and later Duke's littermate Kate bloodlines with the best results."

"Ch Mallwyd Sirdar, an English Setter from the Laverack bloodline. He was said to be admired by both fanciers and shooting men."

"Around 1826, Reverend A Harrison of Carlisle in Cumbria sold a male dog called "Ponto" and a female named "Old Moll" to Laverack and this pair formed the foundation of his English Setters. Laverack did not know the exact pedigree of these dogs but maintained the strain had been pure-bred for the previous thirty-five years. Laverack closely inbred to these two dogs for generations and his bloodline was successful in dog shows and as a working dog in field trials."

"Rodfield's Pride, an English Setter from the Llewellin bloodline. He won several stakes in the autumn of 1902."

"In 1874, C. H. Raymond from Morris Plains, New Jersey imported the first English Setter from the Laverack bloodline to America. The working setter Count Noble descended from these early imports and is commemorated in the Carnegie Museums of Pittsburgh. "

"Llewellin's strain was based on Laverack's best dogs, which were then outcrossed with the bloodlines of his dogs Duke, Rhoebe and later Duke's littermate, Kate. It was Kate bred with Laverack's best hunting males that produced Llewellin's ideals Fd.Ch.Ch. Armstrong's Dash II and later Fd.Ch.Ch Dashing Bondhu. They were the foundation of Llewellin's personal strain known as "Dashing Bondhu". "
"William Humphrey (1882–1963) inherited them from Llewellin in 1925 and continued them pure until his death in 1963. Jim the Wonder Dog, described as a Llewellin setter, was said to have "possessed an occult power" and there is a bronze statue of him in a memorial garden on the square in Marshall, Missouri, built to commemorate him."
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. . . apologies again for the boorish length of all that ^.

Thanks! I found that explanation interesting. I'm aware of differences between working dogs and show dogs of the same breed and didn't know this is the primary distinction here. I've learnt something new.

 

[jhilker]

Poor guy =( That must've hurt a little when he woke up. =(
Hope he heals swiftly and perfectly, with no more dental issues.
Your Wilson (love that name !=) looks like such a good boy!

He's a very good boy! We're making him pup cups for one of his meds (whipped cream), so that makes the medicine go down

 

[winmod21]

Dogs steal the performance!

 

[gendo667]

Birdie's SOOOOO sleepy.

 

[Laura Knotek]

Birdie's SOOOOO sleepy. View attachment 359489

Aww. He's adorable!

 

[winmod21]

Birdie's SOOOOO sleepy. View attachment 359489

Aww. He's adorable!

Jees! Sooooooo adorable!

 

[YankInDaSouth]

Maxin' and relaxin'

 

[winmod21]

Maxin' and relaxin'

Your Max is beautiful, and so happy looking! Makes me really miss having our 'Best Friends'.
Cats are cutie-patooties, at times anyways, I guess.
But dogs are suuuuuuuch nicer pets!

 

[BijouVixen]

My little man