Android Cheap iPhones?

[Maikai.Guy]

MaiKai, The thing that you fail to see in all this is that people don't always operate on Logic, even when it comes to the purchase or a preference for a certain product. People perceive value in a product through usage, and if that usage is met some things can be overlooked. Just look at the Maslow's Hierachy of Needs.

We actually agree. You're kind of making my point from me. I've admitted the iPhone is pretty and nice to hold, but it doesn't meet the "usage" requirements of many. It's too small, too fragile and too limited for many. The fact that iPhone is pretty is easily "overlooked" in the face of Android's benefits. Therefore, as you say, the perceived value becomes higher... for Android owners.

That said, I do agree wholeheartedly that most top-end Android phones have a more durable build quality than the Iphone 4/4S, but that is not the only factor that draws people to a product. It's not the only thing within the Product mix. That's just what I have been pointing out for a long time...

Again we agree, durability is not the only factor.

... but it's not a "don't care" either. Also, we're not talking in absolutes. It's not a choice between "pretty and fragile" or "ugly and durable." iPhone may hold the crown for pretty, but an Android phone is far from ugly. Unless the only acceptable definition of pretty is an iPhone, which would be unreasonable.

And durability isn't the only shortcoming of the iPhone that I've pointed out. Screen size and the lack of flexibility/customization of the OS is also a negative to many.

The idea that Android phones are considered cheap iPhones by the "tech public" is a flawed assumption, IMHO. A large percentage of that "tech public" are Android owners and I sincerely doubt they think of their phones as second best.

 

[Speedygi]

I was an Android user btw (and will be again once I get the Galaxy Nexus) and I seriously think nothing matched my Nexus S in its heyday. I found I still missed some of the apps I really loved using the Iphone (and lamented the many apps I really got used to using on Gingerbread that got iffy in ICS). It was why I got an Ipod Touch initially, but I discovered I don't really do well with multiple devices, so I got the Iphone 4s as a daily driver.

The perceived value, at least for me, is that I have all the apps I need on a display that is still the sharpest on the market, on a size I like the most, below 4 inches, which is the optimal size for one-handed use in my hands. It meets all my usage needs, really.

 

[Johnly]

I was an Android user btw (and will be again once I get the Galaxy Nexus) and I seriously think nothing matched my Nexus S in its heyday. I found I still missed some of the apps I really loved using the Iphone. It was why I got an Ipod Touch initially, but I discovered I don't really do well with multiple devices, so I got the Iphone 4s as a daily driver.

The perceived value, at least for me, is that I have all the apps I need on a display that is still the sharpest on the market, on a size I like the most, below 4 inches, which is the optimal size for one-handed use. It meets all my usage needs, really.

Yes sir, quality does factor, and usage is a huge proponent of consumer choice as evidenced by the market.

 

[Speedygi]

Yes sir, quality does factor, and usage is a huge proponent of consumer choice as evidenced by the market.

I guess I can't really speak for the market...and to be honest I don't really intend to.

 

[Johnly]

I guess I can't really speak for the market...and to be honest I don't really intend to.

All good man, but that retail shows the usage people desire. I wont get into it beyond that. Just the facts.

 

[Speedygi]

All good man, but that retail shows the usage people desire. I wont get into it beyond that. Just the facts.

Pray, my fellow man, what is this retail stat you refer to?

 

[Johnly]

Pray, my fellow man, what is this retail stat you refer to?

Did you see the at&t Q released? Those retail numbers released by carriers man. http://www.androidcentral.com/att-breaks-own-smartphone-sales-record-q1-iphone-still-dominates I know the note hasn't had the time but the next quarter will tell that story. People prefer premium, hold the value phones that are the usage machines they prefer to adopt.

 

[Speedygi]

well, I figured you were refering to that....

 

[phonejunky]

Well... first... it wasn't meant as an insult. It is human nature for us to want to believe everyone is like ourselves. Salespeople exploit this by sometimes mimicking the gestures and posture of the person they are selling to. They only do it for a short time and just to get the person into the proper mindset. Although people's first reaction to sales people is caution, this human frailty of thinking people are similar can be a powerful tool in breaking down interpersonal barriers. Another trick is to remember something someone said that did not relate to business. A month later, repeat that thought back to them as if it were your own. Once a person feels a small connection, the rest comes automatically. They will assume similar moral and ethical positions, even religious and political positions.

After a person thinks this for awhile, with no evidence to the contrary, the assumed similarity fixes itself as fact in the mind. From that point onward, there is a solid foundation for that relationship.

This is a well studied fact of our psyche, something that we are all vulnerable to. The only difference seems to be the young and the old are most susceptible to this kind of manipulation, but we all have this fundamental assumption that other people are like us... even you. This, of course, is assuming you are "normal"... don't have a chemical imbalance and/or are psychotic or something. ;-)


You just choose to believe you don't assume people are like you.

It's the way you built the context of your question/statement. You asked a question, but immediately created an assumed condition... the "tech public" believes Android is an inferior, second class device. But your assumed condition is not born out of any data. It's born out of your opinion. The available data tells the opposite story. Looking through the posts, many of them are laundry lists of things bad about Android and good about iPhone, yet the market numbers don't support these assumptions at all.

I believe the group of you prefer iPhone, probably have many friends that prefer iPhone, therefore have a tendency to believe everyone is like you and your friends... thinking Android is inferior and a second class device. You've had no reason to think otherwise for so long that this assumption has fixed itself as fact in your minds.

That's why simple stuff like pointing out the iPhone is recognized by some people as being too small or too fragile or not flexible enough elicits posts of near outrage. Scoffing at the very ideas. This is not normal behavior. Normal behavior would be to provide a counterpoint and back it up with observations and data. Scoffing or proclaiming the argument isn't worth it are telltale signs the assumption is unsupportable... born out of an unreasonable and unsupported belief.

As for the reason you posted the question... Just look at the titles of the threads you started in this section alone... and your original posts within them.

Is Android too open in some aspects?
Google Looking to lose monumental case
Android Cheap iPhones?

They ask a question but only in the context of an assumption... mostly anti-Android/Google. This screams to me of someone wanting to draw like minded people to agree with them... to assure themselves they are correct in their beliefs... to be affirmed.

IMHO, you post these question/assumptions here because only here can you get affirmation. There would be no point in asking the questions or posing the assumption on an Apple forum. Of course everyone would agree with you. But by getting a few people from an Android forum to agree, you feel affirmed... and your unconscious desire to be like everyone else is satisfied.

Until I come along. ;-) Your 45 minutes is up. Next patient please!

But seriously, none of this should be taken as an insult. I'm sure if someone peered into my posts and/or life, they'd find similar things. We are all human. We all want to belong. IMHO, the younger you are, the more you want to deny this, but in the end we are all mostly the same. Evidence to this is all around you. It's really undeniable. Cars, clothes, houses, expressions, even the support-for / desire-to-own an iPhone.

This post was entirely to long my goodness, but I decided to read the whole thing, and pick out what stuck to me. First and foremost I post the topics I post because I love to see good conversation on controversial topics. I am a Galaxy Nexus user by the way as my main phone. You keep addressing me as some iPhone anti droid user because I like to start good conversation. Look at the replies in this thread it speaks for itself.

Next thing not to be petty but your post are meant to insult me you can't say things like this

"Until I come along. ;-) Your 45 minutes is up. Next patient please!"

Then follow up by saying oh don't take this as an insult lol. Reminds me of Googles motto don't be evil when in turn they like every other powerful tech company do lots of evil things. It's a blatant contradiction and jab at me.

As far as what my co-workers and friends are using its actually blackberry and some iPhones (not work related friends) here and there not really any droids. I work in DC hence why the Blackberry is still king in my work and friend circles.

That is all now let me get back on topic.

 

[Maikai.Guy]

Next thing not to be petty but your post are meant to insult me you can't say things like this

"Until I come along. ;-) Your 45 minutes is up. Next patient please!"

Then follow up by saying oh don't take this as an insult lol. Reminds me of Googles motto don't be evil when in turn they like every other powerful tech company do lots of evil things. It's a blatant contradiction and jab at me.
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For someone who implied I was a fanboy and said what I wrote was laughable, you certainly are thin skinned.

Actually, I was trying to be funny. I even followed it up with "But seriously..." People don't usually follow up insults with "But seriously..."

I have read your posts. I just went back and rifled through them again. They have been generally anti Android/Google and pro Apple, in this thread and others. I found a couple of pro Android comments, but they were immediately followed up by negativism in the very same post. Like telling a girl she has pretty eyes... but the rest of her face makes you puke. One of us must be missing something if you claim differently.

Here's another human nature thing, which I am as guilty of as the next person. When you dislike someone, you are able to assume some incredibly and absurdly negative stuff about them. Stuff you'd never assume if you best pal wrote or said the exact same words. Once your mind goes there, it's really hard to come back.

We have a guy in a back room that smells. He's also a violent drunk and I witnessed him strike his wife in the face. He's a brilliant engineer, but I must say I don't like him. I wish he were gone. When reading his e-mails I am constantly injecting my own negative tone to his words. I find myself asking "What the hell did he mean by that?!" Then I catch myself, reread what he said as if someone I liked wrote it and only then do I respond.

I'm not intentionally trying to insult you, but if you and Johnly are hell bent to see how my words can be taken as an insult by inflection, tone, body language or some other thing that doesn't exist in the written word, you are absolutely sure to find them.

 

[anthonycr]

For someone who implied I was a fanboy and said what I wrote was laughable, you certainly are thin skinned.

Actually, I was trying to be funny. I even followed it up with "But seriously..." People don't usually follow up insults with "But seriously..."

I have read your posts. I just went back and rifled through them again. They have been generally anti Android/Google and pro Apple, in this thread and others. I found a couple of pro Android comments, but they were immediately followed up by negativism in the very same post. Like telling a girl she has pretty eyes... but the rest of her face makes you puke. One of us must be missing something if you claim differently.

Here's another human nature thing, which I am as guilty of as the next person. When you dislike someone, you are able to assume some incredibly and absurdly negative stuff about them. Stuff you'd never assume if you best pal wrote or said the exact same words. Once your mind goes there, it's really hard to come back.

We have a guy in a back room that smells. He's also a violent drunk and I witnessed him strike his wife in the face. He's a brilliant engineer, but I must say I don't like him. I wish he were gone. When reading his e-mails I am constantly injecting my own negative tone to his words. I find myself asking "What the hell did he mean by that?!" Then I catch myself, reread what he said as if someone I liked wrote it and only then do I respond.

I'm not intentionally trying to insult you, but if you and Johnly are hell bent to see how my words can be taken as an insult by inflection, tone, body language or some other thing that doesn't exist in the written word, you are absolutely sure to find them.

That is an excellent point you make about pretending the negative comment (or in your case email) was written by someone you love, I'm going to do that from now on, so I don't become angry. I entirely agree with the way we put inflections into written words whem they might have been meant totally different. Excellent.

This thread is really ridiculous, its just like the American Civil War, people lining up and dishing it out to each other... comment after comment. I must say that I find a propensity (as I have stated earlier in this thread) that iphone supporters fail to give logical reasons to own one, resorting to "android sucks" or "iphone all the way." I know you iphone supporters are NOT doing that primarily, but its happening a little.

Logic will win the day, and if logic means google android fans convincing the iSheep to turn to a customizable OS, apple will fall.

//rant

Sent from my pirate ship

 

[Johnly]

I like Maikai.Guy Anyone who stands up to stop violence or abuse is first class.

Fact is we do not agree. Maikai, stop categorizing people, then you can win more, Phonemaster and I are hell bent to see you words? Silly Guy, we all read deep here. I challenge you to post once without inflecting another comment or person. Just display the fact of the argument.

 

[Speedygi]

Granted, this thread exists in an Android forum...so I guess Iphone users, by default, are not logical. Fine, I can live with that.

As to why people voice out the bad and good points of an OS, it is because they often have to vote with their hard earned money at the end of the day (unless you are filthy rich and earns money just by laying in your bed made of Gold and Money, that's an exception). Your wife, for example, you love despite her flaws, at least I hope that is the case...but just making some point.

If people see satisfaction in an Iphone, who is to judge if they are myopic?

What about you, moderator, any things to chime in?

 

[axne1]

Idc what a trolling thread!!!
I've read some of it. But I can't see a solution. So why keep this trash up.
Like we will change an iphone users mind or vice versa. I say close it down.
Moderators need to close this thread!!!!
No True Android lover would even ask that question. IPhone users get a life...
Better yet get one on your own forums
good day

sent from a Android device
I'm always on!

 

[jmarrale]

Wow why clog up the community over this crap lets remove this from here and take it to a iPhone forum quite honestly i could care less about the drama of proving one wrong pull up your big girl panties and squash it

 

[axne1]

Right!
This is android central right?

sent from a Android device
I'm always on!

 

[jmarrale]

Damn straight

 

[Speedygi]

Agreed!!!!

 

[lpt2569]

For someone who implied I was a fanboy and said what I wrote was laughable, you certainly are thin skinned.

Actually, I was trying to be funny. I even followed it up with "But seriously..." People don't usually follow up insults with "But seriously..."

I love you, man. Still schooling, no fooling. Rock on, Mr. Engineer Superhero of all things Android! Great stuff.

 

[sparkeater79]

My epic 4g touch is the bomb. I didn't realize how much I loved it until I dropped it on the asphalt the other day and scuffed the heck out of two of the corners. I picked it up hoping my screen wasn't cracked or the casing broken. the screen is fine and the casing I thought was plastic is actually metal. I did think the phone was completely plastic, it took a nasty fall to show me the truth. SWEET not so cheap in my opinion. And I love my wife's iPhone4 too by the way.