Any of you jumping to the Pixel 4?

[11B1P]

Thinking the iPhone 11, pixel 4 and S10e aren't flagships.

Yes, S line are flagship models. You have to drop down to the J or A line for non-flagship. Heck even those offer some compelling specs.

 

[gendo667]

I'm so torn here. Now that my S10+ has Android 10, the only thing I'm gaining is a marginally better camera and a "worse" screen.

Your thought?

I'll be holding on to my S10, no doubt. I'm also on the Android 10/One UI beta and kinda loving it. Also, you'd probably take a hit in battery life. At least based on how people talk about the Pixel 3 and the Pixel 4 doesn't seem to be any kind of upgrade in that department.

 

[Mike Dee]

So much that could be said here but I think I'll keep quiet before this thread gets completely derailed.

Give me a chance to leave the room first

 

[Mike Dee]

I'll be holding on to my S10, no doubt. I'm also on the Android 10/One UI beta and kinda loving it. Also, you'd probably take a hit in battery life. At least based on how people talk about the Pixel 3 and the Pixel 4 doesn't seem to be any kind of upgrade in that department.

I was hoping to test the beta on the S10+ but it's a Verizon model, my cousin @mustang7757 didn't warn me up front.

 

[gendo667]

I was hoping to test the beta on the S10+ but it's a Verizon model, my cousin @mustang7757 didn't warn me up front.

You should know better than to count on your cousin for anything.

 

[mustang7757]

I was hoping to test the beta on the S10+ but it's a Verizon model, my cousin @mustang7757 didn't warn me up front.

I did warn you , but you never listen lol

 

[Mike Dee]

I did warn you , but you never listen lol

Big lie....man up... you never warned me in advance of purchase

 

[mustang7757]

Big lie....man up... you never warned me in advance of purchase

We talking beta or Wich device to purchase?

 

[dendron01]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...-unlock-works-on-sleeping-unconscious-people/

As I was saying earlier in this thread...not quite ready for the big time, perhaps? Or just a mild oversight. You decide.

 

[Gayle Lynn]

Eyes closed!
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/17...4-face-unlock-eyes-closed-privacy-eye-contact

Haha...it supposed to be 3d face unlock

 

[mustang7757]

Eyes closed!
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/17...4-face-unlock-eyes-closed-privacy-eye-contact

Hopefully they get that patched up quickly

 

[henryfool3]

I've been considering switching from the s10e. love the idea of face unlock and it seems to be very fast. my wife has an iPhone and it's the only feature I've wanted that Android didn't have to date.

that said, the battery size troubles me. would like to see reviews based on regular usage. also don't love that face unlock works on closed eyes, but that may change with an update. the bigger question with face unlock is how many apps will it actually work with upon release or the first few months.

 

[Mike Dee]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...-unlock-works-on-sleeping-unconscious-people/

As I was saying earlier in this thread...not quite ready for the big time, perhaps? Or just a mild oversight. You decide.

While I agree it's a concern, the people that would catch me sleeping I have nothing to hide from. If you're a frat boy, in a sorority, or on a job where you can sleep around other people this phone may not be for you.... Lol

 

[dendron01]

While I agree it's a concern, the people that would catch me sleeping I have nothing to hide from. If you're a frat boy, in a sorority, or on a job where you can sleep around other people this phone may not be for you.... Lol

That is pretty naive assessment Mike. Have you ever lost your wallet somewhere, only to retrace your steps and find it later in perfectly good order, but all the cash missing? There are lots of dishonest people out there that will take advantage of an easy opportunity if the situation presents itself. That is just a cold hard reality - as is finding yourself in a compromised situation, beyond your control, and your phone potentially being found and unlocked by someone else.

Of course the same could be said of fingerprints, but if Google's face scan is as easy as it sounds, the phone would only have to be close to you and not even directly facing you to unlock. So quite a bit less intrusive (and a lot faster to go unnoticed by others) than fumbling with someone's unconcious or sleeping hand and trying to test which finger unlocks the phone. Someone could easily unlock your phone, remove it from your Google account, perform a factory reset, put it in their pocket and walk away - and you would be none the wiser. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Again this is a huge ball dropped by Google if they have not accounted for such a scenario (they certainly aren't talking about it if they did). More importantly, there is no way a phone at that price justifies being a guinea pig for for new facial scan tech that probably needs several major updates before it's ready to be trusted, IMHO.

 

[Mike Dee]

That is pretty naive assessment Mike. Have you ever lost your wallet somewhere, only to retrace your steps and find it later in perfectly good order, but all the cash missing? There are lots of dishonest people out there that will take advantage of an easy opportunity if the situation presents itself. That is just a cold hard reality - as is finding yourself in a compromised situation, beyond your control, and your phone potentially being found and unlocked by someone else.

Of course the same could be said of fingerprints, but if Google's face scan is as easy as it sounds, the phone would only have to be close to you and not even directly facing you to unlock. So quite a bit less intrusive (and a lot faster to go unnoticed by others) than fumbling with someone's unconcious or sleeping hand and trying to test which finger unlocks the phone. Someone could easily unlock your phone, remove it from your Google account, perform a factory reset, put it in their pocket and walk away - and you would be none the wiser. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Again this is a huge ball dropped by Google if they have not accounted for such a scenario (they certainly aren't talking about it if they did). More importantly, there is no way a phone at that price justifies being a guinea pig for for new facial scan tech that probably needs several major updates before it's ready to be trusted, IMHO.

Not naive at all. My opinion belongs and applys to me and me only. I don't fall asleep around people I can't trust so for me it's not a concern, besides, I'm not buying the device.
Hopefully they'll fix it for those that do. If had one on order I would think twice.

 

[dendron01]

Not naive at all. My opinion belongs and applys to me and me only. I don't fall asleep around people I can't trust so for me it's not a concern, besides, I'm not buying the device.
Hopefully they'll fix it for those that do. If had one on order I would think twice.

Actually, what I described could apply to anyone with a Pixel 4. Nor is falling asleep in public the only way this could happen, as you suggest. In fact, someone could grab your phone from you while you are wide awake, point your phone at you as you are chasing them to get it back, and do exactly the same thing. LOL.

Obviously if you don't own the device or aren't planning to own it, it's a non issue...

 

[Mike Dee]

Actually, what I described could apply to anyone with a Pixel 4. Nor is falling asleep in public the only way this could happen, as you suggest. In fact, someone could grab your phone from you while you are wide awake, point your phone at you as you are chasing them to get it back, and do exactly the same thing. LOL.

Obviously if you don't own the device or aren't planning to own it, it's a non issue...

I never suggested there weren't other scenarios nor did I plan to cover everything. The additional scenario you mentioned could happen with any face ID device. Where are we going with this? Hopefully there is a resolution

 

[dendron01]

I never suggested there weren't other scenarios nor did I plan to cover everything. The additional scenario you mentioned could happen with any face ID device. Where are we going with this? Hopefully there is a resolution

According to Google, you don't even have to pick up your phone to unlock it. That leaves a lot of latitude in terms of scenarios for unlocking with your face beyond falling asleep on the couch. Apple's face ID, as we know, has additional measures in place to help prevent "accidental" unlocks. And as I stated earlier, it is commonly known the face unlock on Android, including Samsung, is basically garbage from a security standpoint.

Anyway, if those of us who have S10's or Note 10's aren't even considering a Pixel 4 and don't care to debate the reasons, nor feel any of these reasons apply to us, than I suppose there is no point discussing it here either...

 

[Mike Dee]

According to Google, you don't even have to pick up your phone to unlock it. That leaves a lot of latitude in terms of scenarios for unlocking with your face beyond falling asleep on the couch. Apple's face ID, as we know, has additional measures in place to help prevent "accidental" unlocks. And as I stated earlier, it is commonly known the face unlock on Android, including Samsung, is basically garbage from a security standpoint.

Anyway, if those of us who have S10's or Note 10's aren't even considering a Pixel 4 and don't care to debate the reasons, nor feel any of these reasons apply to us, than I suppose there is no point discussing it here either...

Hopefully Google will address some of those issues so that people won't regret their purchases.

It's OK to discuss things regardless of device ownership as long as discussions don't steer to off topic or violate forum rules. Everyone can learn something and that's what keeps the forum going.

 

[WeAreAllUnique]

I jumped to the Pixel 4XL. So far I really am loving it. The camera is there best that I have ever experienced. Couldn't ask for anything more.