Anyone else eager to LAUGH at what apple has to offer Sept 12th?

[crackberrytraitor]

Not entirely accurate. It took a little bit of trickery just to get the iPhone to clock up to 1.2ghz (and they used Geekbench to determine it) because Apple is so aggressive with the gating.


Most powerful still comes down to which one has the fastest hardware (since that's the power). Testing strictly the hardware, and going based off strictly the hardware, the iPhone 5 has everything else beat. You're talking about what Apple talks about, which is what that does for the end user. Which is fine, because ultimately that's what matters.

The GPU in the IPhone 5 is fast. Really fast. The CPU is equivalent to the S4 (let's just assume for arguments sake). The GPU is the difference maker. And I'm not sure, but I would bet that Apple offloads a lot of the UI drawing to the GPU to save on power. Android can do this, too (I think CM has a hack that allows it on some devices/kernels), and it's supposed to make the UI smoother, save power, and leave the CPU for doing other types of things. This is where the S4 and Tegra 3 have a significant disadvantage. The GPU's aren't as fast as what Apple uses (the Mali in the Exynos is slower, too).


It just seems like we're talking about raw power, but you're talking about what the software does with it. I also wonder how Geekbench is coded and running its tests on each device. Different OS's, completely different coding languages. Safe bet they don't behave exactly the same because of that.

I would point out that there are almost GPU tests that have been run on the i5 that are not at least partially influenced by software. The output provided to the benchmarks used is based on the efficiency of the routing software rather than the hardware, GLbenchmark in particular. In the few tests of pure hardware, such as floating point calculations per second, the S4 beats the A6 hands down.

I'm honestly not just blindly defending Android. I've worked with CPUs for many years, all the way back to my Apple II with it's badass early CMOS chip. I used to defend Apple, back when PC clones were invading the market. I think that the A6 is a great improvement. But I am not at all convinced that the A6 is a superior piece of hardware, rather I think it is managed by particularly efficient, cut-down software.

And btw, Geekbench performs the same on any O.S. It measures the outputs in designated categories. A more efficient O.S. may give a higher score, but because it puts out a higher output from improved hardware management, not from a software variance in Geekbench from platform to platform.

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[pauldroidr2d2]

Something to ease the tension a bit.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Something to ease the tension a bit.

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I was right in the middle of a dramatic moment of Boardwalk Empire when I read this and I laughed hard.

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[funkylogik]

i guess we'l just see eh
id rather have my old single core 1.4ghz 528mb ram Sony than the latest iphone simply because i love android.... even if it turns out to be skynet lol

global s3, UK. Ask me anything and ill reply even if its just an intelligent (or stupid) guess

 

[crackberrytraitor]

i guess we'l just see eh
id rather have my old single core 1.4ghz 528mb ram Sony than the latest iphone simply because i love android.... even if it turns out to be skynet lol

global s3, UK. Ask me anything and ill reply even if its just an intelligent (or stupid) guess

You blew my mind. I almost posted exactly the same comment, just replace Sony with Motorola and Android with hackable.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

I would point out that there are almost GPU tests that have been run on the i5 that are not at least partially influenced by software. The output provided to the benchmarks used is based on the efficiency of the routing software rather than the hardware, GLbenchmark in particular. In the few tests of pure hardware, such as floating point calculations per second, the S4 beats the A6 hands down.

I'm honestly not just blindly defending Android. I've worked with CPUs for many years, all the way back to my Apple II with it's badass early CMOS chip. I used to defend Apple, back when PC clones were invading the market. I think that the A6 is a great improvement. But I am not at all convinced that the A6 is a superior piece of hardware, rather I think it is managed by particularly efficient, cut-down software.

And btw, Geekbench performs the same on any O.S. It measures the outputs in designated categories. A more efficient O.S. may give a higher score, but because it puts out a higher output from improved hardware management, not from a software variance in Geekbench from platform to platform.

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If the output of GLBenchmark is more focused on the routing software than how could it be considered a hardware benchmark at all? Of course the routing software has something to do with the benchmark, but GLBenchmark is floating point intensive, which stresses the GPU, which is why it's a GPU test.

You may be right about Geekbench, IDK, because I've never used it. It doesn't seem to take very long, which makes me question the validity of the test (especially memory and storage tests). Maybe it does just fine, but I like seeing something happening that lets me know my stuff is being stressed.

Did you see how much more throughput the GPU is capable of in the iPhone vs the Adreno 225, Mali-400, and Tegra GPU? Those numbers are from manufacturer, and don't take software into account at all.

 

[Bond32]

Friend of mine upgraded his flip phone to the iphone 5. Some kids were flipping out over it in class. My friend didn't even know much about it but he said oh ya its got a cool camera with a panoramic mode. You would have thought the dude lusting over it wet themselves. I turned around and said hey you know that's been out for a while on android right?

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[crackberrytraitor]

I don't think you know Apple very well.

From looking at the CPUs in all their devices up to this point, I don't think you do.

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[crackberrytraitor]

If the output of GLBenchmark is more focused on the routing software than how could it be considered a hardware benchmark at all? Of course the routing software has something to do with the benchmark, but GLBenchmark is floating point intensive, which stresses the GPU, which is why it's a GPU test.

You may be right about Geekbench, IDK, because I've never used it. It doesn't seem to take very long, which makes me question the validity of the test (especially memory and storage tests). Maybe it does just fine, but I like seeing something happening that lets me know my stuff is being stressed.

Did you see how much more throughput the GPU is capable of in the iPhone vs the Adreno 225, Mali-400, and Tegra GPU? Those numbers are from manufacturer, and don't take software into account at all.

The S4 beats the A6 in floating point operations by a handy margin.

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[xlDeMoNiClx]

The S4 beats the A6 in floating point operations by a handy margin.

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Dude, for like 3 pages now I've been feeling that you've been wasting your time in this topic. Seems like everyone just has to say something against everything you post.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Dude, for like 3 pages now I've been feeling that you've been wasting your time in this topic. Seems like everyone just has to say something against everything you post.

I can only try.

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[Rev2010]

Dude, for like 3 pages now I've been feeling that you've been wasting your time in this topic. Seems like everyone just has to say something against everything you post.

Yeah seriously, debating mobile processor speeds these days is pretty pointless. All the modern processors will fair fine for 99% of what the average person does with their smartphone.

I check email, browse the web, check weather, watch movies, use the calculator, check my calendar, make phonecalls, take pictures, translate languages, use my beer app for my home brewing, etc. None of these things I couldn't do on my iPhone 3G or Droid 2. The only people really needing the extra power are those playing modern graphic games (first person shooter, etc) on their phones, which IMO strictly is pretty lame. I'd much rather play on my XBox or PS3 than a ~5" phone screen with touch controls.

The iPhone 5 is a new device, it would not be surprising in the least if it beat out the S3 or other current phones in performance benchmarks. But in a month or two it too will be beaten, so is life.


Rev.

 

[xlDeMoNiClx]

Yeah seriously, debating mobile processor speeds these days is pretty pointless. All the modern processors will fair fine for 99% of what the average person does with their smartphone.

I check email, browse the web, check weather, watch movies, use the calculator, check my calendar, make phonecalls, take pictures, translate languages, use my beer app for my home brewing, etc. None of these things I couldn't do on my iPhone 3G or Droid 2. The only people really needing the extra power are those playing modern graphic games (first person shooter, etc) on their phones, which IMO strictly is pretty lame. I'd much rather play on my XBox or PS3 than a ~5" phone screen with touch controls.

The iPhone 5 is a new device, it would not be surprising in the least if it beat out the S3 or other current phones in performance benchmarks. But in a month or two it too will be beaten, so is life.


Rev.

That too but what I meant was that crackberry can pull up every fact in the world that would say that the S3 is more powerful than the iPhone 5 (NOTE: I'm not claiming it is or vice versa so don't waste your time quoting this post and complaining about it. Even tho a few certain people probably will anyway) and the same several people will just cover their ears and yell "BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH You're wrong, you're wrong, etc." until they have everyone convinced Apple is god. Just saying he might as well ignore them and go onto helping people with concerns that deserve his attention.

But like he himself said, he can only try. Also, you bring up another valid reason.

 

[Rev2010]

That too but what I meant was that crackberry can pull up every fact in the world that would say that the S3 is more powerful than the iPhone 5 (NOTE: I'm not claiming it is or vice versa so don't waste your time quoting this post and complaining about it. Even tho a few certain people probably will anyway) and the same several people will just cover their ears and yell "BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH You're wrong, you're wrong, etc."

I know, but doesn't that point out the uselessness in arguing about it? Outside of recent news about litigation and such I myself am done here with this Apple debating BS. I'm still waiting for JHBThree, whom accused me of spreading misinformation because I'd said you can't put certain shortcuts on the iPhone homescreen, to man up and answer my question as to how one puts a shortcut to a .doc, a .pdf, a picture, and a movie on the iPhone homescreen. But of course he's still posting dozens of times a day and completely ignoring my question - likely because it simply can't be done.

So, I'm done, I'm tired of the pigheadedness.


Rev.

 

[Ry]

That too but what I meant was that crackberry can pull up every fact in the world that would say that the S3 is more powerful than the iPhone 5 (NOTE: I'm not claiming it is or vice versa so don't waste your time quoting this post and complaining about it. Even tho a few certain people probably will anyway) and the same several people will just cover their ears and yell "BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH You're wrong, you're wrong, etc." until they have everyone convinced Apple is god. Just saying he might as well ignore them and go onto helping people with concerns that deserve his attention.

But like he himself said, he can only try. Also, you bring up another valid reason.

I have to chime in here -

Last I checked, crackberrytraitor and Kevin were having a civil discussion, citing sources and providing evidence trying to prove and disprove certain claims. There really isn't any need for you to jump in and turn it into some sort of "us vs. them" battle. Specs don't matter but I'm learning a lot from their back and forth.

Still not sure why you seem to make this so personal.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

It is a fact that several iPhones have had their CPU deliberately underclocked, and I understand the mystery third core of the A6 is designed to run seriously underclocked to preserve battery when big CPU time is not needed.

Yeah, underclocked 200mhz or less. They're not making chips that can be overclocked 50% of their overall speed, which is what I said.

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[xlDeMoNiClx]

I know, but doesn't that point out the uselessness in arguing about it? Outside of recent news about litigation and such I myself am done here with this Apple debating BS. I'm still waiting for JHBThree, whom accused me of spreading misinformation because I'd said you can't put certain shortcuts on the iPhone homescreen, to man up and answer my question as to how one puts a shortcut to a .doc, a .pdf, a picture, and a movie on the iPhone homescreen. But of course he's still posting dozens of times a day and completely ignoring my question - likely because it simply can't be done.

So, I'm done, I'm tired of the pigheadedness.


Rev.

Exactly. Reading that guy's posts before and after you called him out on it, it's obvious he's just one of the many Apple cultists that will literally arguing until their last breath defending even the slightest insult to Apple without producing a single solid fact or bit of proof. And he's one of the biggest I've seen. >_>

 

[crackberrytraitor]

That too but what I meant was that crackberry can pull up every fact in the world that would say that the S3 is more powerful than the iPhone 5 (NOTE: I'm not claiming it is or vice versa so don't waste your time quoting this post and complaining about it. Even tho a few certain people probably will anyway) and the same several people will just cover their ears and yell "BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH You're wrong, you're wrong, etc." until they have everyone convinced Apple is god. Just saying he might as well ignore them and go onto helping people with concerns that deserve his attention.

But like he himself said, he can only try. Also, you bring up another valid reason.

Debates are fun. Nobody is actually going to convince each other of anything, but the back-and-forth is a great time waster

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[xlDeMoNiClx]

Debates are fun. Nobody is actually convince each other of anything, but the back-and-forth is a great time waster

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I guess. It's given me a few good chuckles I'd admit.

 

[dmmarck]

Exactly. Reading that guy's posts before and after you called him out on it, it's obvious he's just one of the many Apple cultists that will literally arguing until their last breath defending even the slightest insult to Apple without producing a single solid fact or bit of proof. And he's one of the biggest I've seen. >_>

Alright alright, let's take it easy here .