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Krak-a-Lakn

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So, the Apple media event that?s going on now just stated that when the 4.0 OS comes out sometime this summer it will have multitasking. Hah!
After years of hearing Apple state, over and over ?We don?t want multitasking on the iPhone. Why would anyone want this? It?s not needed and will degrade performance?.

Then of course, Android comes out and starts to seriously eat into new smartphone sales. For last quarter Android accounted for 30% of new sales while Apple was 29%. Bingo, Apple does a 180 ? Hah! What a joke. They just don?t want to give the Apple customer anymore than the bare minimum of what they can get away with. A little competition appears and now they have to respond.
 

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Come on. Why are you hating Apple so much? Remember Android got created because of Iphone. Doesn't matter what Iphone is lack of, they started it. And Iphone, appearance, hasn't been changed much since it was released almost 3 years ago. And alot of people are waiting for next generation Iphone. Sales always go down when they are expecting new model. Let's compare the sales after Iphone releases next generation phone.

BTW, we are finally seeing Android 2.1 other Android phones in the state which I think Google finally start to match with Iphone OS. But it tooks more than 2 years.
 

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The iPhone has always had limited multitasking. The Apple apps all were able to run in the background. Now they are opening up their limited multitasking to slightly more limited multitasking, so some of the public APIs can run in the background while other apps have their state saved and can be switched back to easily.

To be honest, if Android had been designed this way from the start, I would not be complaining. That would work just fine for me. It's really the only multitasking that I would need.
 

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My problem with Apple is the way they market (spin) the features if the iPhone. Just as Jobs is now stating that flash is buggy and causes the Apple computers to crash. He's just spinning the issue so that he can avoid putting flash on iphones. Flash would provide a way for iPhone users to avoid paying for stuff on iTunes and get media via the web. But, Jobs just lies and states obvious falsehoods.
In addition, what also bugs me is the way the general media lets Apple get away with this. They just lap up Job's quotes.

The iPhone itself is a great phone - I had one for almost a year. It was Apple Corp that made me switch to the N1.
 

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I don't know why, but this Conan O'Brien sketch instantly popped into my mind.

InTheYear2000.jpg
 

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So are you enjoying your flash on your N1 atm? I can honestly live without Flash. All Android users are complainting about Iphone about how much Apple locked down Iphone Apps, but what other device before Iphone gave you so much freedom? This is Apple's business model and honestly most of Smart Phone users better to stay off modifying their device, it only cause problem.

For Android, Google giving out this os for free, no worry about customer support. Iphone, they have to deal with customer support, it's much better to lock down the system, less headache.
 

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Apple, has one theory, Google has another theory.

The cult of Apple, regardless if they turn out a meh device or a killer device will still stick up for and defend Apple.

There is no argument, iPHONE has been a success, it has transcended the cult of Apple and gone mainstream. While it does not work for me and my needs, it works for many and that in of itself, regardless of its shortcomings is a sign of a good device.

Adding in a functionality, that at one point they claimed was not needed, is not (IMHO) a major change in philosophy, it is simply upgrading a device and adding in a feature that the populous wants.

Do I want to see Android succeed, yeah I do, can it beat the cult of Apple, well, that is a little more challenging.

Dan
 

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BTW, I am not Apple Fanbois. I do not own Iphone, well I have first generation Itouch though. And I do want Android to succeed, I like it and I see the potential. However, it drives me crazy when Google fanbois blindly stating Apple is evil and iphone sucks. Just want to say, if Iphone bring out good stuffs, Android will improve as well.
 

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I wouldn't say Apple is evil, nor would I say that the iPhone sucks. I do find it comical, however, that they make such a hoopla about features that other phones have had for a year or more now.
 

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I wouldn't say Apple is evil, nor would I say that the iPhone sucks. I do find it comical, however, that they make such a hoopla about features that other phones have had for a year or more now.

...and that's the main point. They talk up these 'super duper' new features like they never existed elsewhere and the media just buys right into it. If I didn't own an iPhone 3g maybe I wouldn't be as skeptical but having owned one, I'll just yawwwwwn!!
 

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...and that's the main point. They talk up these 'super duper' new features like they never existed elsewhere and the media just buys right into it.

A direct quote from Steve Jobs, when introducing multitasking: "?We weren?t the first to this party..."

There was nothing yesterday that even hinted that most of what was announced was some grand innovation (save perhaps for the in-app iAd stuff, and, besides advertisers, who gives a crap about that?) Some things look pretty cool and different - icon folders on the home screen that will automatically name themselves based on what you put in them (it'd be nice if Android did that, but I can get by without it.)
 

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Apple's business model isn't what bothers me. A closed ecosystem is fine. What bothers me is the intense smugness a lot of Apple users have. They view their Apple product as infallible and constantly bash other products because they are not Apple.

When I was getting my Pre, I actually had to listen to someone in line fervently insist that OSX cannot get a virus because of the way it designed. Not that it was unlikely, or improbable, but physically impossible.

I don't want Apple as a company to fail. I think they have made important innovations and have provided competition which has fueled the market. However, I do want them to come back down to earth and drop their "holier than thou" attitude.

When iPhone OS multitasking was announced so many people were amazed by the fact that you could listen to pandora AND surf the web? All I could think is Android has been doing that for a year and WebOS has been doing that for 9 months.

Sometimes, late at night, I really wish for a massive virus to spread through mobile ME and crush OSX and give everyone a reality check.
 

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Apple's business model isn't what bothers me. A closed ecosystem is fine. What bothers me is the intense smugness a lot of Apple users have. They view their Apple product as infallible and constantly bash other products because they are not Apple.

Believe me, there are plenty of Windows users who are just the same. About seven years ago, you could have made the same argument about Pocket PC users vs. Palm OS users. There are dopes on both sides, and I think that life is easier if you simply ignore them.

Ask yourself a question: is the computer, or the phone, or the tablet, that you are about to buy going to solve an important problem for you? Will it let you get your job done efficiently, live your life, have fun, and not get in your way? That's all that counts, and the advocacy of outsiders for one platform at the expense of all others is simply noise. Don't let it bug you; be happy with the choices that you have made.

Just as a note, we as a family have five Macs in the house, one that runs our media center, and we like them. Occasionally they don't respond as we would want, but that's mostly because we are using them wrong. I have plenty of friends who use Windows PCs and I do not proselytize, though if they ask me seriously if a Mac would be a good fit for them, I answer them honestly, with pros and cons. I usually recommend that they stay with Windows, actually, because switching is costly, both in terms of money and of time (going the other way is costly as well, by the way.)

I have an Android phone; it fits well into my life. An iPhone would as well, but this works just fine for me (and, in fact, I really enjoy using almost all of the time.) I have occasional hassles, but I know it would be the same with an iPhone.

Life is so much easier if you don't let the opinions of others regarding technology get you down.
 

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Believe me, there are plenty of Windows users who are just the same. About seven years ago, you could have made the same argument about Pocket PC users vs. Palm OS users. There are dopes on both sides, and I think that life is easier if you simply ignore them.



Life is so much easier if you don't let the opinions of others regarding technology get you down.

I agree with your last statement but I have to disagree somewhat on that first paragraph based on my own experience. I get to meet both types of users on a regular basis as my job involves going out to different homes, businesses etc. And I'd say Mac users tend to have a more elitist attitude for the most part. Now there are many exceptions, but for the most part, that has been my observation. It's as if using a Mac puts them on a higher intellectual plane. They also tend to be less open to other non-Apple options and more defensive when anyone criticizes Apple or their hardware/software.

Windows users on the other hand tend to be a little more accepting of other ideas and a little more willing to admit Windows isn't perfect but they also have their share of fanatics. I have used Macs but don't really see any advantage over what I currently use and Apple's overall approach to computers offend me somewhat. Maybe it's my independent personality to blame but I detest the cult-like we-know-what's-best-for-you attitude. However I never steer anyone away from a Mac and we do provide limited support for them.
 

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Apple's business model isn't what bothers me. A closed ecosystem is fine. What bothers me is the intense smugness a lot of Apple users have. They view their Apple product as infallible and constantly bash other products because they are not Apple.

When I was getting my Pre, I actually had to listen to someone in line fervently insist that OSX cannot get a virus because of the way it designed. Not that it was unlikely, or improbable, but physically impossible.

I don't want Apple as a company to fail. I think they have made important innovations and have provided competition which has fueled the market. However, I do want them to come back down to earth and drop their "holier than thou" attitude.

When iPhone OS multitasking was announced so many people were amazed by the fact that you could listen to pandora AND surf the web? All I could think is Android has been doing that for a year and WebOS has been doing that for 9 months.

Sometimes, late at night, I really wish for a massive virus to spread through mobile ME and crush OSX and give everyone a reality check.

ive had my macbook for 2 years runs just as well as day one

mac FTW
 

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