Are there any neutral people on here?

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I seriously am disgusted by the bias by so many members on here, for example they think its funny if apple hires ex google maps employees.WTF!?!? How is that funny it's just business. Next all of them sayer iPhone is ,have they actually used an Apple product before? Then they go on saying how you can't add more storage to the iPad or change anything about it WTF it's a tablet not a bloody desktop.

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You talk about bias and then say "Then they go on saying how you can't add more storage to the iPad or change anything about it WTF it's a tablet not a bloody desktop". Lets disintegrate that.
Even cameras have expandable storage memory, laptops do too, plenty other smartphones and tablets do too, thus it's not solely desktops. Not to mention current technology allows to store 64GB in a paper thin device not larger than your finger nail, basically its an apple subjective restriction, because it barely takes any space. That, some people do not like, specially the ones that want to access their data, songs, movies, videos instantly, not having to wait for it to stream from the cloud and be SOL if they have no reception or dont want to use any more of their limited data and the file they want is not "cached". Its funny, those who say "cloud" is the next step in storage and bash sd cards or greater flash memory, without considering access times, latency and reliability.

When most people say "you can't change anything about it", they refer to the software side, not the hardware. That kind of closed mentality is what some people do not like about apple. People like to customize their stuff, its human nature, even you have your room in a specific way you like, your house, your car, your office. So yeah, in android, you can pretty much change nearly everything software related, thats why they say that. Again, its not bound to desktops only. You don't find it important to change the kernel, ROM, launcher, etc and have full control of the device? I can probably find several things that are not important to customize for me that are actually important for you to have them the way you want them, its about the person mainly.

Its not being biased, its... thinking.

They probably found apple hiring google maps employees funny because of how arrogant apple's advertising about apple maps was before they realized how bad their software was.

I don't understand the whole comparison of Ios to android. As far as I am concerned you have to do it on a device by device basis because....
Iphones cater to one crowd. People who buy flagship devices and want that sized screen. For someone who wants a bigger screen, there is no apple option. My point is, apple and android are very different, android is an all inclusive os on all different phones and devices. Apple is a niche market of 3 mobile devices at a time. 2 tablets and the iPhone. So comparing apple too android is like comparing a ford explorer to Chevrolet as a car company. The explorer (apple) could be perfectly good, but you can't compare that one thing to a whole manufacturer Chevrolet (android). That one SUV can't do everything that all of Chevys lineup van. Simple as that. Apple is simply different so comparing them is pointless unless you are doing it on a device by device basis.
Just my .02

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Both are operating systems (iOS and android), and its a fair comparison, hardware is an independent factor. Then by your same argument comparing windows and mac OS is not fair and should not be done, because windows is in thousands of models while mac OS is only in like 8 hardware models in a specific development timeline. Hardware is irrelevant in software comparison because both operating systems are adaptable. Android is android regardless of the device, sure, you get some "customization" across manufacturers, but the API and the entire operating system is still the same.

What is actually a niche market is the hardware, what you said, minus the android OS and iOS part. Apple hardware is a smaller market than all the android manufacturer's combined. The hardware caters a greater audience on android running devices than in iOS, and obviously you can't fairly compare a larger screen with a smaller one, unless you factor in consumer preferences.

Both companies are competing for the same market share, just because apple only makes 6 models running iOS does not make its devices non-comparable to other manufacturer's making more models running android. The same applies for windows and mac OS. You can compare on a software, hardware and package level, it all depends on what you want to show.

 

[anon5664829]

For me, I'd say they are both good platforms. As much as people try to compare them, it mostly isn't logical. iPhones have a different target audience than Androids do - iPhones are for people who want something with little setup and maintenance; Android is for tinkerers or those who are more familiar for technology. Personally, I have had both Android and iOS products and don't mind either.

My first smartphone was an iPhone 4 in February 2011 (Don't judge, lol. I haven't had as many smartphones for as long as you guys because I'm 14). I loved that phone at first, but after a few months, it was just "meh." I wanted more customization with a larger screen. After a ton of comparisons, I decided on the Samsung Infuse in July. I still regard that as the best phone I have had in terms of features. Near the end of the 30 day return period, the phone wouldn't turn on. I returned it and got the HTC Inspire. I had two days of being able to return it so I was basically stuck with it. I hated that phone. It was so sluggish and I had to deal with it for a year until I got my next phone - the iPhone 5. That was a wonderful phone. Fast, fluid, excellent camera, compatible with my iPad. As with my previous iPhone, it took a few months for me to want a bigger screen (even more so after my parents got Note IIs and Galaxy S3s) and more customization. I researched phones for a couple months and decided on the Nexus 4. Currently, I am typing this on my iPad. I traded my iPhone 5 in yesterday and bought an unlocked 16GB Nexus 4. I am very much looking forward to experiencing the phone. Until I get it (should be later this week), I will be phoneless.

Well, that's my story. Sorry for the ramble, I just wanted to share an experience with you guys. I am not biased toward Android, I just happen to like the customization and having devices to choose from. iPhones are great devices but after going back to Android from an iPhone twice, I can assume they aren't for me.

Sorry that this is off-topic, but do you guys get many people my age here? Just wondering how many tech-informed kids there are that around my age.

15 here and my first smart phone was a 3GS in 2010,4 in 2011, 4S also in 2012(when it came out) and now currently have a N4 as you can see having an iPhone for such a long time bored me. Next year though I would like a Lumina(why? Because I like new stuff and try to experience tech before judging)

 

[xlDeMoNiClx]

Next year though I would like a Lumina(why? Because I like new stuff and try to experience tech before judging)

I might be able to tell you about it within a few months, my dad is getting a new phone and he asked me to decide which one I should get cause I know this stuff. He had a choice between these 3 smartphones that Rogers was giving for free: HTC Desire C, Nokia Lumina 900, and LG Optimus L7 (this one was eliminated almost immidiately). I ended up choosing the Lumia 900 due to it's better specs making it faster than the Desire C plus it said it was an easy phone to learn to use.

Not sure when he's getting it but I'll see if I can try it out.

 

[anon(631531)]

15 here and my first smart phone was a 3GS in 2010,4 in 2011, 4S also in 2012(when it came out) and now currently have a N4 as you can see having an iPhone for such a long time bored me. Next year though I would like a Lumina(why? Because I like new stuff and try to experience tech before judging)

If you want to sell your Nexus4, let me know. I'll buy it.

 

[anon5664829]

You talk about bias and then say "Then they go on saying how you can't add more storage to the iPad or change anything about it WTF it's a tablet not a bloody desktop". Lets disintegrate that.
Even cameras have expandable storage memory, laptops do too, plenty other smartphones and tablets do too, thus it's not solely desktops. Not to mention current technology allows to store 64GB in a paper thin device not larger than your finger nail, basically its an apple subjective restriction, because it barely takes any space. That, some people do not like, specially the ones that want to access their data, songs, movies, videos instantly, not having to wait for it to stream from the cloud and be SOL if they have no reception or dont want to use any more of their limited data and the file they want is not "cached". Its funny, those who say "cloud" is the next step in storage and bash sd cards or greater flash memory, without considering access times, latency and reliability.

When most people say "you can't change anything about it", they refer to the software side, not the hardware. That kind of closed mentality is what some people do not like about apple. People like to customize their stuff, its human nature, even you have your room in a specific way you like, your house, your car, your office. So yeah, in android, you can pretty much change nearly everything software related, thats why they say that. Again, its not bound to desktops only. You don't find it important to change the kernel, ROM, launcher, etc and have full control of the device? I can probably find several things that are not important to customize for me that are actually important for you to have them the way you want them, its about the person mainly.

Its not being biased, its... thinking.

They probably found apple hiring google maps employees funny because of how arrogant apple's advertising about apple maps was before they realized how bad their software was.



Both are operating systems (iOS and android), and its a fair comparison, hardware is an independent factor. Then by your same argument comparing windows and mac OS is not fair and should not be done, because windows is in thousands of models while mac OS is only in like 8 hardware models in a specific development timeline. Hardware is irrelevant in software comparison because both operating systems are adaptable. Android is android regardless of the device, sure, you get some "customization" across manufacturers, but the API and the entire operating system is still the same.

What is actually a niche market is the hardware, what you said, minus the android OS and iOS part. Apple hardware is a smaller market than all the android manufacturer's combined. The hardware caters a greater audience on android running devices than in iOS, and obviously you can't fairly compare a larger screen with a smaller one, unless you factor in consumer preferences.

Both companies are competing for the same market share, just because apple only makes 6 models running iOS does not make its devices non-comparable to other manufacturer's making more models running android. The same applies for windows and mac OS. You can compare on a software, hardware and package level, it all depends on what you want to show.

I've had a Nexus 10 and did not like the fact that the apps weren't on the same quality. And no I never even implied that cloud is the future, with a slow Internet connection I understand need for local storage, But why does it have to be removable why don't tablet manufacturers make a 128GB tablet like how Apple has done and don't give me that bull about pricing because the next iPad's base capacity while most Android tablets will still be on 16GB LOLOL, software wise my iPad 4 is jail broken I can do all I want to do on my jail broken iPad that I want to, phones are a different matter and why I switched to the Nexus 4(freaking epic phone) I wan to customize my tablet to but not at the expense of awesome tablet optimized apps.

 

[SamsungGalaxySII]

I've had a Nexus 10 and did not like the fact that the apps weren't on the same quality. And no I never even implied that cloud is the future, with a slow Internet connection I understand need for local storage, But why does it have to be removable why don't tablet manufacturers make a 128GB tablet like how Apple has done and don't give me that bull about pricing because the next iPad's base capacity while most Android tablets will still be on 16GB LOLOL, software wise my iPad 4 is jail broken I can do all I want to do on my jail broken iPad that I want to, phones are a different matter and why I switched to the Nexus 4(freaking epic phone) I wan to customize my tablet to but not at the expense of awesome tablet optimized apps.

Well if you want more "accessibility" and more "storage", why don't you root your tablet and get an OTG cable and expand your storage? You can do whatever you want once the tablet is rooted just like your "jail broken" iPad. there will be more tablet "optimized" apps, just you gotta wait. The developers are working on it.

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[xlDeMoNiClx]

Well if you want more "accessibility" and more "storage", why don't you root your tablet and get an OTG cable and expand your storage? You can do whatever you want once the tablet is rooted just like your "jail broken" iPad. there will be more tablet "optimized" apps, just you gotta wait. The developers are working on it.

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I suggested that to him before, some people just want the storage to be inside the tablet out of the box.

 

[anon5664829]

I might be able to tell you about it within a few months, my dad is getting a new phone and he asked me to decide which one I should get cause I know this stuff. He had a choice between these 3 smartphones that Rogers was giving for free: HTC Desire C, Nokia Lumina 900, and LG Optimus L7 (this one was eliminated almost immidiately). I ended up choosing the Lumia 900 due to it's better specs making it faster than the Desire C plus it said it was an easy phone to learn to use.



Not sure when he's getting it but I'll see if I can try it out.

Oh that would be awesome! If you can tell me what it is like it would be nice cause I could sell my iPhone 5 and pick up a 920

 

[xlDeMoNiClx]

Oh that would be awesome! If you can tell me what it is like it would be nice cause I could sell my iPhone 5 and pick up a 920

I shall keep you updated then.

 

[anon5664829]

If you want to sell your Nexus4, let me know. I'll buy it.

Hell no! The N4 is amazing! I ain't giving it up

 

[SamsungGalaxySII]

I suggested that to him before, some people just want the storage to be inside the tablet out of the box.

Ok
1) He doesn't like to have an OTG cable to expand his tablet's storage.
2) He doesn't like to use cloud services due to his "weak" internet connection.
3) He likes to have a "Jail Broken" iPad rather a rooted Nexus 10. Rooted android device can do alot of things that Jailbroken iPad can't do.
4) He is complaining about the "lack" of tablet optimized apps. Dude, Apple released the tablets first, so of course they have more optimized apps than android. You just gotta wait. Like I said, numerous developers are currently working on it.

Quit whinning about it. You already have a many options to choose from.

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[anon5664829]

Ok
1) He doesn't like to have an OTG cable to expand his tablet's storage.
2) He doesn't like to use cloud services due to his "weak" internet connection.
3) He likes to have a "Jail Broken" iPad rather a rooted Nexus 10. Rooted android device can do alot of things that Jailbroken iPad can't do.
4) He is complaining about the "lack" of tablet optimized apps. Dude, Apple released the tablets first, so of course they have more optimized apps than android. You just gotta wait. Like I said, numerous developers are currently working on it.

Quit whinning about it. You already have a many options to choose from.

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Can you not accept opinion? Is the concept to difficult to grasp? I'll say it again Android for phones now comfortably destroys iPhones but for my tablet I don't need it to have as many features because my main school machine is a MacBook Pro.

 

[anon5664829]

I suggested that to him before, some people just want the storage to be inside the tablet out of the box.

Yes thank you for understanding my stance.

 

[xlDeMoNiClx]

Quit whinning about it. You already have a many options to choose from.

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And yet here you are whining about his differing opinion instead of accepting the fact that not everyone sees things the same way as you. Move on.

 

[badbrad17]

I am not sure it's biased to believe one is currently better than the other. For me neutrality is about understanding both sides, the pro's and con's of each, and being able to make a recommendation based on specs, software and ecosystem (total package user experience) as well as the philosophical differences between the approaches each company takes in interaction with their peers and their customers. Based on that, or whatever criteria the poster feel relevant, I think that as long as you give each point of view a fair consideration, it is still ok to make a judgement about which device, OS, etc. is best for whatever particular situation.

For example, at present for the nerd community, I feel that since ICS 4.0 Android is years ahead of Apple in terms of hardware, software and ecosystem and that Google's philosophical approach is vastly superior to their counterpart. For these reasons I have a hard time recommending Apple products to any nerds.

For the everyday average user, 99% of what they need their device to do will be performed flawlessly by an iPhone, a Razr, a Galaxy, a Nexus, etc, etc. For every day people, it's much easier to recommend Apple products because the end user experience is much more similar and subjective in their eyes, and it's just as much about image and design queues as functionality to them.

I don't consider myself Android biased, despite the fact I think they're leading currently. I personally dislike some of Apple's philosophy and practices, but that doesn't impact the quality of their tech, only my willingness to purchase it should they catch up in the quality of their tech.

Am I wrong? Is this a tainted paradigm or the result of critical observation? Do I make that call or does someone interpreting my post?

What he said!

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[badbrad17]

I've had a Nexus 10 and did not like the fact that the apps weren't on the same quality. And no I never even implied that cloud is the future, with a slow Internet connection I understand need for local storage, But why does it have to be removable why don't tablet manufacturers make a 128GB tablet like how Apple has done and don't give me that bull about pricing because the next iPad's base capacity while most Android tablets will still be on 16GB LOLOL, software wise my iPad 4 is jail broken I can do all I want to do on my jail broken iPad that I want to, phones are a different matter and why I switched to the Nexus 4(freaking epic phone) I wan to customize my tablet to but not at the expense of awesome tablet optimized apps.

Ya price has nothing to do with it. Riiiiiiiight. That's why the iPad is over twice as much as the Nexus 7.

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[xSheetGames]

Ya price has nothing to do with it. Riiiiiiiight. That's why the iPad is over twice as much as the Nexus 7.

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he got a point there

After all, we can troll around here in this ANDROID forum as much as we want. android > apple. for no reason but my subjectiv opinion.

 

[anon5664829]

Ya price has nothing to do with it. Riiiiiiiight. That's why the iPad is over twice as much as the Nexus 7.

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Look, we both have different opinions lets just accept that and move on. I prefer ios on tablets android on phones you prefer android on both.

 

[badbrad17]

Look, we both have different opinions lets just accept that and move on. I prefer ios on tablets android on phones you prefer android on both.

But your post wasn't about that. You can use any device you like but to say that adding the storage doesn't have anything to do with price is not true.

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[anon5664829]

But your post wasn't about that. You can use any device you like but to say that adding the storage doesn't have anything to do with price is not true.

Huh? please rephrase I legitimately do not understand.