AT&T bought T-Mobile us

[ls377]

Issuing stock is not free it's a lot more expensive than spending cash. That's basic financial theory. Issuing stock is the most expensive way to pay for something.

five year from now VZW will have a fully built out network and AT&T will be relying on T-mobile, the 4th player in the game, for its future.

How do you know AT&T is paying for the stock issuing?

And like I said, AT&T has been planning LTE. I doubt T-mobile's current "4G" will even be a factor by then.

 

[krazy]

How do you know AT&T is paying for the stock issuing?

And like I said, AT&T has been planning LTE. I doubt T-mobile's current "4G" will even be a factor by then.

There are two ways for them to pay for the deal: cash/debt or stock. It'll likely be a mixture of the two. There is a call tomorrow which I'll be on and will let you know if they discuss how they plan to pay for it.

Right, AT&T has been planning for LTE while VZW already has an LTE network that covers about 100 million people.

 

[Verdes8891]

There are two ways for them to pay for the deal: cash/debt or stock. It'll likely be a mixture of the two. There is a call tomorrow which I'll be on and will let you know if they discuss how they plan to pay for it.

Right, AT&T has been planning for LTE while VZW already has an LTE network that covers about 100 million people.

Hmm, theres a call you have to be on tomorrow huh? Which carrier you work for?

 

[krazy]

Hmm, theres a call you have to be on tomorrow huh? Which carrier you work for?

I'm a fixed income investor.

 

[Verdes8891]

I'm a fixed income investor.

Yea, for which carrier?

 

[ls377]

There are two ways for them to pay for the deal: cash/debt or stock. It'll likely be a mixture of the two. There is a call tomorrow which I'll be on and will let you know if they discuss how they plan to pay for it.

Right, AT&T has been planning for LTE while VZW already has an LTE network that covers about 100 million people.

AT&T is building out LTE as we speak. They aren't nearly as far behing Verizon as you think.

They're launching LTE later this year, so we'll see how much they have it built out then.

 

[krazy]

Yea, for which carrier?

I'm an investor. I work for an investment company (hedge fund) that invests in company's bonds (and other type of debt). I don't work for telecom companies but I used to analyze them and since I'm interested in this deal I'll listen to the call tomorrow that AT&T has for their investors.

 

[krazy]

AT&T is building out LTE as we speak. They aren't nearly as far behing Verizon as you think.

They're launching LTE later this year, so we'll see how much they have it built out then.

They are light years behind VZW. If they were on par with VZW they would have it up and running and offering their customers in major markets will millions and millions of people in them LTE service. There is no reason to wait until you have secondary and smaller markets covered before you roll out the service.

 

[ls377]

They are light years behind VZW.

How so? They shouldn't even be a year behind.

 

[Verdes8891]

They are light years behind VZW.

Verizion still has to do all the conversions still in their network to get ride of their CDMA network and move everyone over to LTE still before they can continue to build out or move forward. How is that lightyears ahead of what any other company is doing?

 

[ls377]

Verizion still has to do all the conversions still in their network to get ride of their CDMA network and move everyone over to LTE still before they can continue to build out or move forward. How is that lightyears ahead of what any other company is doing?

Not to mention they're still building out CDMA because they're afraid of what the iPhone is going to do to their network.

 

[krazy]

How so? They shouldn't even be a year behind.

A year is a long time with how fast things are moving. If you are a customer why would you wait an extra year? It's not like AT&T is cheaper or has better voice coverage (just the opposite there). The only reason AT&T stuck around as long as they did was because they had the iphone exclusive. If they didn't have that they would be the in same league as sprint and t-mobile.

 

[krazy]

Not to mention they're still building out CDMA because they're afraid of what the iPhone is going to do to their network.

VZW's network has been able to handle Android just fine. Android sucks up as much bandwidth as iphone if not more. The iphone has not strained their network to date.

 

[krazy]

Verizion still has to do all the conversions still in their network to get ride of their CDMA network and move everyone over to LTE still before they can continue to build out or move forward. How is that lightyears ahead of what any other company is doing?

They run CDMA and LTE parallel. They already have LTE running in their major markets. AT&T doesn't have LTE up and running anywhere. That's how they are light years behind.

 

[Verdes8891]

VZW's network has been able to handle Android just fine. Android sucks up as much bandwidth as iphone if not more. The iphone has not strained their network to date.

Really? No, the iphone gobs up data like a fat kid at an all you can eat buffet.


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[krazy]

Really? No, the iphone gobs up data like a fat kid at an all you can eat buffet.


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Can you explain how the iphone uses more bandwidth than an android phone?

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2374032,00.asp

 

[ls377]

Can you explain how the iphone uses more bandwidth than an android phone?

It isn't necessarily more bandwidth. The iPhone just seems to clog up networks more than everyone else.

And about LTE...we'll see who has the better network in 5 years.

 

[krazy]

It isn't necessarily more bandwidth. The iPhone just seems to clog up networks more than everyone else.

And about LTE...we'll see who has the better network in 5 years.

No, it clogs up AT&T's network because it sucked and couldn't handle the modern smartphone. Given their history of having inferior networks and operations I'm not sure why you'd expect AT&T to suddenly catch up and pass VZW now but ok, we'll see.

 

[Verdes8891]

Can you explain how the iphone uses more bandwidth than an android phone?

Android Users Eat Up Most Bandwidth, Study Says | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

Well with recent studies having been done in comparason of the iphone with other data phones, 1 Iphone on a network is equivalent to 3 Blackberry users and just over 2 Android users.

This isnot the exact article, but it gives the point accross nonetheless

Android, iPhone users outpace BlackBerry, Symbian users in data usage | Mobilize - InfoWorld

 

[krazy]

Your article says they are the same. My article says that android users use more bandwidth. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say they are the same. VZW's network has been able to handle android users since the platform has come out. It has also been able to handle the iphone since they got it a few months ago. It's clearly a superior network on average nationwide at this point. I really don't understand how anyone can argue otherwise.

"iPhone and Android users are about evenly matched in their data usage, typically consuming between 40 to 60 percent more than an iPhone 3G user. The percentages vary based on device model and when looking at uploads versus downloads, but the general trends are the same for the two platforms. Android users tend to connect to data services more often than iPhone users, but their total bandwidth usage was generally the same. That suggests Android users' data activities are shorter or less bandwidth-oriented."