Bixby voice finally here!

[Premium1]

This is where the opinion of building the software before the button comes into play.

Had they built the software first and got us used to it with voice activation or hard pressing the home button, it would have been less invasive. Then when people started using it and possibly liking it they could say "look here, we've added a button for Bixby to make things easier for you". Instead they said "hey we've added a button for something that is extremely underdeveloped and still hasnt launched in many regions. We also put it directly across from the power button so when you pick your phone up it activates. We also are promoting Bixby as a primary reason to get the S8 series even though Bixby is years from being as useful as we told you it would be."

Hard pressing the home button would have been so much more acceptable. I dont think Ive ever used that "feature". Id be cool if it was for Bixby.

They could have but I feel that since this seems to be their real first endeavor into AI (Samsung voice or whatever it was called they didn't seem to really care about) and removing the physical buttons on the front of the device may have been why there is a bixby button.

 

[Almeuit]

Lol ok I'm not going to argue with you because clearly you don't like samsung and feel that they should have had this years ago.

I don't like Samsung yet I have owned every Samsung since the S2? Yeah your logic is really on point ... ... especially since I have a S8+ right now that I swapped to from the LG G6. Yep hate em .. hate em hate em.

On a more real note... I am simply saying you use that as an excuse when that excuse still falls on Samsung. They weren't quick to the game so now they're playing catch up but that doesn't excuse them from doing so.. They weren't prevented in any way from perusing it earlier.

 

[Aquila]

Samsung should have a) not released Bixby, because it's not ready b) not created ANOTHER redundant application c) supported existing platforms d) used the software they bought to enhance their devices in conjunction with those existing platforms

Following all those steps would have created a product that's better than the existing products because it would include those products and add to them.

 

[LeoRex]

Software has never really been Samsung's forte... yes, they write a lot of it, but they often aren't very good at it... And even they admitted that they don't have the acquired knowledge for their voice stuff to function as well as others. A good assistant needs to know a lot... whether it is machine learning, or user data, whatever... and here, Samsung is hitting WAAAAY out of its weight class. Bixby just seems to be Samsung pulling a 'I can do that too!!' as they jump and and down behind Google Assistant.

But they've given a much faster runner about a mile head start. They'd be better served devoting those resources elsewhere.

 

[Aquila]

Software has never really been Samsung's forte... yes, they write a lot of it, but they often aren't very good at it

This ^^. As an example, they are one of the biggest players in Tizen and Tizen is a nightmare for developers and for both consumer and enterprise security. But when Samsung makes a close partnership with Google or others to rock out quality stuff, it tends to be very good.

 

[Dark Pixels ll]

And now we're here. Samsung can't go back in time, so what do they do NOW?

Only thing I can think is they plow forward and keep improving the service.

 

[TylerLV76]

And now we're here. Samsung can't go back in time, so what do they do NOW,

Shove it down our throats for the next 2 years until they abandon it.

They will never get access to Android Auto or Google Home or Alexa. There were rumors of a speaker but the latest I read is there wont be a speaker as of now. Without Android Auto or one of the 2 biggest smart home systems being on board, its doomed.

 

[Aquila]

And now we're here. Samsung can't go back in time, so what do they do NOW?

Only thing I can think is they plow forward and keep improving the service.

Eh, I'd strip it down to bare bones, make it a more efficient way of communicating with their smart things and slowly phase it out since Home already does that. Think Alexa does too.

 

[Almeuit]

And now we're here. Samsung can't go back in time, so what do they do NOW?

Only thing I can think is they plow forward and keep improving the service.

And how do you think the others "got it right" over the years? Criticism from the things people thought were bad.. and then they improved on those things to make more and more people enjoy it.

 

[Dark Pixels ll]

And how do you think the others "got it right" over the years? Criticism from the things people thought were bad.. and then they improved on those things to make more and more people enjoy it.

I don't disagree, and Samsung doesn't strike me as a company that gives up on much of anything (the Note brand).

 

[TylerLV76]

I don't disagree, and Samsung doesn't strike me as a company that gives up on much of anything (the Note brand).

Milk Music, S-Voice, slowly accepting that Touch Wiz was/is horrible. Those come to the top of my mind of ideas that were redundant like Bixby.

People love the Note series, they would be fools to give up on it yet. It competes with Apple every year.

 

[Premium1]

Software has never really been Samsung's forte... yes, they write a lot of it, but they often aren't very good at it... And even they admitted that they don't have the acquired knowledge for their voice stuff to function as well as others. A good assistant needs to know a lot... whether it is machine learning, or user data, whatever... and here, Samsung is hitting WAAAAY out of its weight class. Bixby just seems to be Samsung pulling a 'I can do that too!!' as they jump and and down behind Google Assistant.

But they've given a much faster runner about a mile head start. They'd be better served devoting those resources elsewhere.

I feel like samsung wants that whole ecosystem which is why they try and make everything their own rather than use what is already there.

 

[Aquila]

I feel like samsung wants that whole ecosystem which is why they try and make everything their own rather than use what is already there.

Right, that's the problem. Because they're only good at 2 aspects of a many faceted ecosystem. They're good at hardware quality and marketing. They're not good at software, supply chain, product innovation, product testing, security, market research, resource management, etc. Using what's already there is exactly what they should be doing.

 

[GRUNT11B]

Right, that's the problem. Because they're only good at 2 aspects of a many faceted ecosystem. They're good at hardware quality and marketing. They're not good at software, supply chain, product innovation, product testing, security, market research, resource management, etc. Using what's already there is exactly what they should be doing.

I'm glad Samsung doesn't use what's already there. Some of their software is better and they come out with many features years before Google does. If I wanted to be the same and have bland software with no choices I would buy an iPhone. The freedom of choice is what makes Android great. Android would be nothing without Samsung.

 

[Aquila]

I'm glad Samsung doesn't use what's already there. Some of their software is better and they come out with many features years before Google does. If I wanted to be the same and have bland software with no choices I would buy an iPhone. The freedom of choice is what makes Android great. Android would be nothing without Samsung.

No one is saying that they shouldn't innovate new features or products. Creating redundant products and wasting billions of dollars on those products is absolutely not the same thing as creating new products. The things you're talking about where they invented a feature or were the first to release it on a device are areas where they didn't waste a whole bunch of resources on redundant stuff. So you are making my point for me however I feel like you think that we disagree.

 

[Dark Pixels ll]

While I don't find Bixby to be totally perfect and useful yet, I don't really find it redundant either. Currently I have Assistant and Bixby working in harmony. What one doesn't do, the other one does.

It's seems a bit early to call Bixby doomed imo, the same thing people said initially about Samsung Pay.

I've long since deleted Android Pay off my phone as IT is the one that seems redundant.

 

[Premium1]

Right, that's the problem. Because they're only good at 2 aspects of a many faceted ecosystem. They're good at hardware quality and marketing. They're not good at software, supply chain, product innovation, product testing, security, market research, resource management, etc. Using what's already there is exactly what they should be doing.

I think you’re way off on many parts. They are great with supply chain (they don’t have issues some other OEMs have) and they are pretty good with product innovation, hence how we have infinity displays and the note line with s pen when everyone said they were crazy..

 

[TylerLV76]

I think you’re way off on many parts. They are great with supply chain (they don’t have issues some other OEMs have) and they are pretty good with product innovation, hence how we have infinity displays and the note line with s pen when everyone said they were crazy..

Samsung did not innovate either of those things.

"Infinity display" is Samsung's fancy term for a large screen with small bezel. Nubia had one in 2015, Xiaomi has one, LG announced the G6 before Samsung.

Stylus' with phones dates all the way back to IBM with the Simon smartphone.

I honestly don't know one thing Samsung or Apple innovated that they take credit for. Iris scanners have been around since I believe 2011, fingerprint scanners since 2005 (might have those 2 backwards).

Nokia made the first amoled screen.

They didn't even invent the curved screen, they just beat their competition, who actually created the idea, to market.

 

[kevinpleasants]

Samsung did not innovate either of those things.

"Infinity display" is Samsung's fancy term for a large screen with small bezel. Nubia had one in 2015, Xiaomi has one, LG announced the G6 before Samsung.

Stylus' with phones dates all the way back to IBM with the Simon smartphone.

I honestly don't know one thing Samsung or Apple innovated that they take credit for. Iris scanners have been around since I believe 2011, fingerprint scanners since 2005 (might have those 2 backwards).

Nokia made the first amoled screen.

They didn't even invent the curved screen, they just beat their competition, who actually created the idea, to market.

If you don't like Bixby don't use it. Don't knock it just because you don't like it or don't find it useful. Use or don't use whatever you want. The fact that Samsung put the button on the S8/S8Plus and didn't have the software ready is really no big deal. It's ready now and I like it. Samsung didn't design the phone especially for you so if you buy one expect software or hardware included that you may not like or intend to use. Samsung wants it's own ecosystem and there's nothing wrong with that. You know what you're getting before you buy it. Reading some post it appears that some people got mad because you couldn't remap the button after finding out Bixby software wasn't completely ready. That's just childish.

 

[Almeuit]

If you don't like Bixby don't use it. Don't knock it just because you don't like it or don't find it useful. Use or don't use whatever you want. The fact that Samsung put the button on the S8/S8Plus and didn't have the software ready is really no big deal. It's ready now and I like it. Samsung didn't design the phone especially for you so if you buy one expect software or hardware included that you may not like or intend to use. Samsung wants it's own ecosystem and there's nothing wrong with that. You know what you're getting before you buy it. Reading some post it appears that some people got mad because you couldn't remap the button after finding out Bixby software wasn't completely ready. That's just childish.

I definitely disagree that sharing an opinion about the product is childish. Talking and discussing what we like and don't like is part of the forum experience. We don't want only positive posts and ignore criticism. As long as it's all done respectfully there isn't an issue.