December update

[Ry]

Why does this remain such a mystery? Apple, also in control of their hardware and software, pushes their updates out rapidly. I know there's a lot of speculation, some or all of which could absolutely be accurate, but what's the advantage of being mysterious here? Don't tip your hand? Staggered roll-out is a good explanation. So how does it work? Is it actually carrier sign-off?

AFAIK, Apple basically has a self-certification and/or it's all done in-house.

 

[PaulQ]

AFAIK, Apple basically has a self-certification and/or it's all done in-house.

Isn't the Pixel update all done in house? In Google's house.

What is self-certification? Do you mean Apple tests it themselves?

 

[kolyan2k]

My sideload stuck at 80%, anyone had this happen before?

nevermind, finally moved

 

[mustang7757]

My sideload stuck at 80%, anyone had this happen before?

nevermind, finally moved

Yeah it sometimes pauses for a little, good thing you didn't disconnect it .

 

[darkmanx2g]

I just pushed the update by putting a Verizon sim. Waited for it to update and then put my TMobile sim. This is so stupid as I bought the pixel to get the updates as the same time just like the iPhone. Now pixel is getting fragmented. It's a bad sign if it's going to be a regular thing.

 

[Ry]

I just pushed the update by putting a Verizon sim. Waited for it to update and then put my TMobile sim. This is so stupid as I bought the pixel to get the updates as the same time just like the iPhone. Now pixel is getting fragmented. It's a bad sign if it's going to be a regular thing.

It's people pushing a narrative that doesn't exist.

 

[bhatech]

For those who are new to Pixel and want to understand how updates work, here is a Reddit link from couple of years ago which explains the update process. Explains how carriers are involved and how the updates can be delayed for a particular carrier etc. I like to point to this thread every time question about why my update is delayed comes

https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/7bfkdr/psa_pixelnexus_updates_can_still_be_subject_to/


## Carrier Involvement

Google has agreements with various carriers that allow for certain perks for both sides. One of these perks for the carrier is the ability to review the update for compatibility for that carrier's specific features. And yes, Apple deals with this too. Apple, however, releases their update when EVERY carrier is done (and due to Apple's market position, they get priority in the review process, further speeding this up). Google, on the other hand, pushes the update when it's ready, regardless of carrier status. If your carrier isn't involved, you're eligible for the update. If your carrier has approved the update, then you're eligible for the update. And if your carrier has not yet approved the update, then you are not yet eligible for the update. When the carrier approves it, Google will push it to you.

## Carrier Association, and How it Works

When you first boot up your phone with a carrier's sim installed, that phone becomes associated to that carrier in Google's database. This is NOT a carrier lock, and it is used by Google for identification purposes.

Google maintains this list and, when they push out an update, all phones associated to a carrier that has approved the update, or a carrier that has no role in the process, receive that update. Carriers that have yet to approve the update are not pushed the update.

You can change your carrier association by swapping to a different carrier's sim and rebooting. Or, you can delete your carrier association by powering down, removing the sim (do not reinsert), powering up, and performing a full factory reset. With no sim installed, the fresh phone has no carrier association and will pull the latest available update.

 

[mustang7757]

See this is where we will miss @Mike Dee pixel rituals on updates

 

[frederickdawg]

Wonder if the system process sim app dialogue has any play in this.

 

[Nikholas Pappas]

For those who are new to Pixel and want to understand how updates work, here is a Reddit link from couple of years ago which explains the update process. Explains how carriers are involved and how the updates can be delayed for a particular carrier etc. I like to point to this thread every time question about why my update is delayed comes

https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/7bfkdr/psa_pixelnexus_updates_can_still_be_subject_to/


## Carrier Involvement

Google has agreements with various carriers that allow for certain perks for both sides. One of these perks for the carrier is the ability to review the update for compatibility for that carrier's specific features. And yes, Apple deals with this too. Apple, however, releases their update when EVERY carrier is done (and due to Apple's market position, they get priority in the review process, further speeding this up). Google, on the other hand, pushes the update when it's ready, regardless of carrier status. If your carrier isn't involved, you're eligible for the update. If your carrier has approved the update, then you're eligible for the update. And if your carrier has not yet approved the update, then you are not yet eligible for the update. When the carrier approves it, Google will push it to you.

## Carrier Association, and How it Works

When you first boot up your phone with a carrier's sim installed, that phone becomes associated to that carrier in Google's database. This is NOT a carrier lock, and it is used by Google for identification purposes.

Google maintains this list and, when they push out an update, all phones associated to a carrier that has approved the update, or a carrier that has no role in the process, receive that update. Carriers that have yet to approve the update are not pushed the update.

You can change your carrier association by swapping to a different carrier's sim and rebooting. Or, you can delete your carrier association by powering down, removing the sim (do not reinsert), powering up, and performing a full factory reset. With no sim installed, the fresh phone has no carrier association and will pull the latest available update.

How does this carrier association work with Dual Sim Phones?

 

[PaulQ]

So, taking stock on this.... It sounds like your carrier plays a big role.

• Verizon users are getting the update
  .
• Fi users are getting the update
  .
• T-Mobile -- getting the update?
  .
• AT&T - I'm on AT&T and have nothing. Anyone else?
  .
• Sprint - ??

 

[bhatech]

How does this carrier association work with Dual Sim Phones?

Don't know, this is more of a US problem with carriers. I know Pixel has e-sim and may be both carriers have to approve? May be someone who has dual SIM and using with Verizon/T-Mobile or Verizon another carrier can chime in. We know Verizon has approved and updates are pushed, and T-Mobile, few other carriers not yet.

 

[Nauga]

So, taking stock on this.... It sounds like your carrier plays a big role.

• Verizon users are getting the update
  .
• Fi users are getting the update
  .
• T-Mobile -- getting the update?
  .
• AT&T - I'm on AT&T and have nothing. Anyone else?
  .
• Sprint - ??

Make that a No for both Fi and TMo users. At least this Fi user will be sideloading tonight.

 

[bhatech]

So, taking stock on this.... It sounds like your carrier plays a big role.

• Verizon users are getting the update
  .
• Fi users are getting the update
  .
• T-Mobile -- getting the update?
  .
• AT&T - I'm on AT&T and have nothing. Anyone else?
  .
• Sprint - ??

Verizon is the only one confirmed with many users reporting they got update with Verizon SIM. Others not so much. But it's getting close now so it could be any moment based on earlier patterns of few days delay. Worst case I'm guessing by early next week all carriers will most likely have it.

 

[Lobwedgephil]

So, taking stock on this.... It sounds like your carrier plays a big role.

• Verizon users are getting the update
  .
• Fi users are getting the update
  .
• T-Mobile -- getting the update?
  .
• AT&T - I'm on AT&T and have nothing. Anyone else?
  .
• Sprint - ??

I've only seen Verizon so far, nothing else reported yet.

 

[B_Chadwick Ware]

I have Fi...and no update. Wife has ATT...and no update. #lame

 

[TheDonJ77]

T-Mobile, no update, month almost half over

 

[Nikholas Pappas]

Don't know, this is more of a US problem with carriers. I know Pixel has e-sim and may be both carriers have to approve? May be someone who has dual SIM and using with Verizon/T-Mobile or Verizon another carrier can chime in. We know Verizon has approved and updates are pushed, and T-Mobile, few other carriers not yet.

I am in the US on a Pixel 4XL using ATT in the Physical slot and Google Fi on the eSim. No update thus far.

 

[bhatech]

I am in the US on a Pixel 4XL using ATT in the Physical slot and Google Fi on the eSim. No update thus far.

Then you will be the guinea pig to let us know

Will be interesting to see if only ATT or google fi gets, what happens to your case.

 

[ezdoit]

then you will be the guinea pig to let us know

will be interesting to see if only att or google fi gets, what happens to your case.

^^^ this ^^^