Deciding between the razr and nexus

[jcapen87]

I had the Bionic, the Razr and now the Nexus. Nexus is my favorite. The Razr is a great phone and the battery in the Maxx is supposed to be even better. That said, I've had just fine battery life with my Nexus.

It's gone 1d 5h 56m 6s on the same charge and just now gave me the 14% warning. And I can replace it with a spare when it dies without waiting to recharge it.

 

[jcapen87]

The best part is no matter which phone you choose, you're going to have a better phone than an iPhone 4S

 

[WCapers]

The best part is no matter which phone you choose, you're going to have a better phone than an iPhone 4S

That was a low blow dude. My wife has a IPhone 4 and every now and then I drool over it -- I spent hours in the IPhone app. store and scrolled through their endless, literally endless, free apps. I love the form factor of the device too, not the tiny screen though. I have to admit... If it had not been for the build quality of the Razr... I might have converted when my plan was up. The cool thing about the IPhone 4 is that it worked for my electronics illiterate wife, an Android phone would not have. I guess what I am trying to say, is for the electronically savvy the Android Razr is the cats meow but the IPhone is a better device for the less electronically endowed.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

That was a low blow dude. My wife has a IPhone 4 and every now and then I drool over it -- I spent hours in the IPhone app. store and scrolled through their endless, literally endless, free apps.

You do realize that the whole "iPhone has more apps" thing is mostly a matter of perception at this point right? The Android Market is growing at an astounding rate while Apple's has mostly plateaued (there is like 200,000 or less apps between them), and if the trend continues we will surpass them by mid year. Also as far as free apps there is a higher percentage of free apps in the Android market than the Apple App Store (this info published on AC and I believe BGR late last year if you want to Google them).

 

[anon(627628)]

Not the apple/pc debate, A La cellphone... The iphone is for those who want a phone that always works and requires minimal technical prowess; android is the pc of phones, for people that want to customize and have technical prowess. Are there exceptions? Sure. However Linux is superior to OSX. Period.

So you (not directed at anyone specifically) can have your teenie bopper phone with millions of apps, I'll stick with a phone that allows me to geek out and mod the out of it. Same reason I have a laptop with Ubuntu running and not an overpriced Mac.

 

[dmmarck]

Getting into an Apple v. Android discussion on an Android forum...preaching to the choir lol

As per the topic, Nexus. I like the RAZR--a lot. Except the shape. That really freaks me out. Past that, I would have bought one had a Nexus not stolen my heart.

 

[anon(627628)]

Well, now that Google isn't supporting the cdma nexus, I'm out. It isn't that impressive of a phone when compared to the RAZR if Google isn't supporting it. Not to mention, vz is doing a buy one, get one on the RAZR, so I'm headed there now to see if I can the wife and I new phones.

 

[dmmarck]

Well, now that Google isn't supporting the cdma nexus, I'm out. It isn't that impressive of a phone when compared to the RAZR if Google isn't supporting it. Not to mention, vz is doing a buy one, get one on the RAZR, so I'm headed there now to see if I can the wife and I new phones.

They are supporting it. They said they were. The reports were grossly exaggerated, but at the end Google said they are still going to update the GN.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

They are supporting it. They said they were. The reports were grossly exaggerated, but at the end Google said they are still going to update the GN.

The only difference is that some of the radio code is proprietary (ie not open source so Google cant post source code) and has to come form other sources. The only people who this even effects are developers and its been this way all along, Google just updated some of their documentation to reflect this and some blogs freaked out.

 

[anon(627628)]

They are supporting it. They said they were. The reports were grossly exaggerated, but at the end Google said they are still going to update the GN.

You might want to peruse the android site and see Koush's posts on g+. Direct quotes and posts are there (I forgot the guy's name) with Google saying it's not supporting the cdma model because gsm is the global standard.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

You might want to peruse the android site and see Koush's posts on g+. Direct quotes and posts are there (I forgot the guy's name) with Google saying it's not supporting the cdma model because gsm is the global standard.

You might want to read any of the various sites (including this one) which went back to the source material and Google's clarification of the situation to set the record straight. The Verizon nexus gets their software from Google directly except some APK's (rado code basically) that are hardware proprietary. To follow your logic the Galaxy S on Sprint would not have been supported by Google and it most certainly was.

 

[dmmarck]

You might want to read any of the various sites (including this one) which went back to the source material and Google's clarification of the situation to set the record straight. The Verizon nexus gets their software from Google directly except some APK's (rado code basically) that are hardware proprietary. To follow your logic the Galaxy S on Sprint would not have been supported by Google and it most certainly was.

This. It's been updated. The GN is supported.

 

[anon(627628)]

And what do you think I'm referencing? The source.

According to Dan Morrill @ Google, it's not.. https://groups.google.com/group/android-contrib/msg/c8152d677f05e3e1

And according to the Google code site, the cdma phones are reference only, not being supported: http://code.google.com/android/nexus/images.html

They're going to support what they can, but cdma phones aren't guaranteed because of how they handle AOSP. Not a big deal, according to Koush; they'll end up handling apks differently.

Please don't try to tell me I'm not looking @ sources, when you obviously haven't.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

And what do you think I'm referencing? The source.

According to Dan Morrill @ Google, it's not.. https://groups.google.com/group/android-contrib/msg/c8152d677f05e3e1

And according to the Google code site, the cdma phones are reference only, not being supported: Factory Images for Nexus Devices - Google Support for Nexus Phones and Flagship Devices - Google Code

They're going to support what they can, but cdma phones aren't guaranteed because of how they handle AOSP. Not a big deal, according to Koush; they'll end up handling apks differently.

Please don't try to tell me I'm not looking @ sources, when you obviously haven't.

One person mis spoke something that was then taken out of context and then blown way out of proportion by the blogsphere. The code that they are saving there is for reference only because it is isn't complete without the parts they are not allowed to re-distribute because they are proprietary. End of story.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/android-contrib/phz3S5ZdveU <= Here's the official clarification from Android Contributors (same content but different link than what you posted).

http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-galaxy-nexus-support-not-dropped-after-all <= And here's Jerry's breakdown of all the nitty gritty of it.

 

[blackjaguar25]

And what do you think I'm referencing? The source.

According to Dan Morrill @ Google, it's not.. https://groups.google.com/group/android-contrib/msg/c8152d677f05e3e1

And according to the Google code site, the cdma phones are reference only, not being supported: http://code.google.com/android/nexus/images.html

They're going to support what they can, but cdma phones aren't guaranteed because of how they handle AOSP. Not a big deal, according to Koush; they'll end up handling apks differently.

Please don't try to tell me I'm not looking @ sources, when you obviously haven't.

You look foolish.

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[johnh1234]

More importantly than that debate, I have some questions. What is the deal with the locked bootloader? I see there is a 'dualboot' solution for the razr which allows installation of custom roms. If you do can do that, then what is the practical issue with the locked bootloader - are you stuck with the stock kernal? If that is so, then does that mean the ics alpha floating around is using a gb kernel?

If I can get a stock looking rom with the razr, with root, and wifi tether, any reason the bootloader should keep from from getting it?

 

[YourMobileGuru]

More importantly than that debate, I have some questions. What is the deal with the locked bootloader? I see there is a 'dualboot' solution for the razr which allows installation of custom roms. If you do can do that, then what is the practical issue with the locked bootloader - are you stuck with the stock kernal? If that is so, then does that mean the ics alpha floating around is using a gb kernel?

If I can get a stock looking rom with the razr, with root, and wifi tether, any reason the bootloader should keep from from getting it?

This isn't really my area of expertise but as I understand it if the boot-loader is locked it prevents you from loading a full ROM, and yes some things can not be replaced such as the kernel and the stock recovery image.

A locked bot-loader does delay the creation of custom roms but does not prevent it. Almost every phone out there (at least on US carriers) besides the Nexus series and the original Moto Droid have shipped with locked bot-loaders and that hasn't prevented plenty of custom roms from being created for devices like the Thunderbolt. Droid 2 (x2), Bionic, Droid Incredible and many more. .

EDIT: Oh and just FYI to be precise all device boot-loaders ship locked (even a Nexus) but most are shipped encrypted to prevent them from being unlocked via the SDK with the fastboot oem unlock command. Lots of people using in-precise wording out there.

 

[moosc]

The only thing a locked boot loader does is stop u from swapping kernals. U still get full roms with boot image etc. Currently the razr all ready as a ics rom which is nice. I hear the bionic has a work around for a different kernal. I guess it comes down how tight is the boot loader encrypted. On the DroidX it had a nasty efuse that if u tweaked your phone wrong poof no more X.

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[piaband]

And what do you think I'm referencing? The source.

According to Dan Morrill @ Google, it's not.. https://groups.google.com/group/android-contrib/msg/c8152d677f05e3e1

And according to the Google code site, the cdma phones are reference only, not being supported: Factory Images for Nexus Devices - Google Support for Nexus Phones and Flagship Devices - Google Code

They're going to support what they can, but cdma phones aren't guaranteed because of how they handle AOSP. Not a big deal, according to Koush; they'll end up handling apks differently.

Please don't try to tell me I'm not looking @ sources, when you obviously haven't.

 

[GNex Girl]

in-precise

imprecise.