Didn't expect the gap to be that big.

[irvine752]

Lol! That is a weak argument. We could make the same argument for the 2nd video as we don't know what was Cached in both phones in the background before he rebooted them, just because they were off doesn't mean there was nothing in RAM.

So both videos we didn't see the testers close all apps and do a true fresh start.

Another problem with Video 2 is he just opens the app's, in video 1 (PhoneBuff) they actually get the app's to do things e.g. the video both phones worked on.

Making video 1 still valid.

Both videos are valid, no excuses.

If you look at the video below, at about 1:38 you can see both phones have nothing running in the backgroud. Can you say the same thing about your first video? lol

https://youtu.be/PRK4SNBYYHg

 

[Tsepz_GP]

If you look at the video below, at about 1:38 you can see both phones have nothing running in the backgroud. Can you say the same thing about your first video? lol

https://youtu.be/PRK4SNBYYHg

You truly haven't got a clue
The task switcher won't tell you whats Cached, you need to go into the app manager, that shows you exactly whats still sitting in RAM.

AGAIN, both videos, still valid.

I find it hilarious that NOW that the Samsung won in the video, now its invalid like wow.

 

[irvine752]

You truly haven't got a clue
The task switcher won't tell you whats Cached, you need to go into the app manager, that shows you exactly whats still sitting in RAM.

AGAIN, both videos, still valid.

I find it hilarious that NOW that the Samsung won in the video, now its invalid like wow.

You're still missing the point. The first video could have easily had some of those apps open and sitting in the task switcher for the Note 8. When you click on the App again it's much faster to bring them up again since they're cached. That's why you have to prove an even playing field for both phones.

 

[Tsepz_GP]

You're still missing the point. The first video could have easily had some of those apps open and sitting in the task switcher for the Note 8. When you click on the App again it's much faster to bring them up again since they're cached. That's why you have to prove an even playing field for both phones.

LOL! Bud, the playing field is never totally equal. In Video 2 someone could have had multiple apps cached before reboot and just cleared the task switcher.

A clear task switcher doesn't mean there's nothing there, a Cached app in RAM can launch faster than a cold started app.

Fact of the matter is we don't know what was cached in either phone.

Another area that could be aruged is carrier branding which can heavily influence device behaviour.

In video 2 The V30 has LG U+ branding, a Korean network, that may have S.Korean apps also filling it up, while the Note8 has Verizon branding, and we all know how heavy they go with branding, even disabling features.

PhoneBuff always use Unlocked and Unbranded devices.

If you cannot handle the result from Video 1, that's fine, but please, stop being petty, we both know the playing field is never truly equal. get real.

 

[Kendahl Titcomb]

I think in general the discussion needs to be that neither of these phones are final products.. Because of that I fail to see the legitimacy of either results. I'm waiting to see one's from the final product software and updates

 

[chanchan05]

Knowing someone doesn't make them more credible to do a test. The one video you provided is certainly not credible based of the content he provided.

Phonebuff tests are based off fresh restart. Doesn't matter if you have more stuff running in background that the phone loaded on restart. That's the manufacturer's fault in poor optimization and is therefore included. It was never fair to begin with because the video was not benchmarking actual speed of the hardware, but how the phone would perform under normal circumstances. Not everyone clears their RAM obsessively. A lot of people leave it alone like they should. The Note 8 defeated the v30 in the Phonebuff test in a big way thanks to RAM difference, and we know that to be fact that the Note8 has 2GB more than the v30. There really was no question that the Note 8 will beat the v30 in the test even before the test started due to the RAM difference alone due to the nature of the test where the second round shows how the phone keeps apps in memory. The larger RAM all but ensured that win, the only question was how big the gap would be. The only way the Note8 would have lost was if it had really bad RAM management.

The Phonebuff test just showed how big a difference RAM can be in that kind of test. It really didn't show anything else other than show us thst the Note8 RAM makes it faster. And we don't even need a speed test to know that 6GB>4GB. On Phonebuff, the only phone to best the Note8 so far is the OnePlus5, and that's also thanks to the 8GB RAM.

 

[irvine752]

LOL! Bud, the playing field is never totally equal. In Video 2 someone could have had multiple apps cached before reboot and just cleared the task switcher.

A clear task switcher doesn't mean there's nothing there, a Cached app in RAM can launch faster than a cold started app.

Fact of the matter is we don't know what was cached in either phone.

Another area that could be aruged is carrier branding which can heavily influence device behaviour.

In video 2 The V30 has LG U+ branding, a Korean network, that may have S.Korean apps also filling it up, while the Note8 has Verizon branding, and we all know how heavy they go with branding, even disabling features.

PhoneBuff always use Unlocked and Unbranded devices.

If you cannot handle the result from Video 1, that's fine, but please, stop being petty, we both know the playing field is never truly equal. get real.

If you can't level the playing field or even make an attempt to do so then you can't make claims such as one is better than the other. When you do credible benchmarking, you have to hold the environment constant or standardize test method to make it consistent across the board.

The whole premise of the first video is to show whether the additional RAM on the Note 8 makes a difference. Since he didn't bother to restart or do a fresh clean of the RAM simply invalidates his test. RAM is volatile which means that when you cycle power it resets which is what the second video shows. Cache & RAM are similar, but also quite different.

We are all about sharing one's opinions, but to propel your own dogmatic views about the phones as fact when it is clearly not backed with sound science is not petty, but simply shameful.

I won't go into hypotheticals about carrier branding with no proven facts. Also just so you know, the unlocked version of the V30 is not out yet or even available to reviewers.

 

[irvine752]

Phonebuff tests are based off fresh restart. Doesn't matter if you have more stuff running in background that the phone loaded on restart. That's the manufacturer's fault in poor optimization and is therefore included. It was never fair to begin with because the video was not benchmarking actual speed of the hardware, but how the phone would perform under normal circumstances. Not everyone clears their RAM obsessively. A lot of people leave it alone like they should. The Note 8 defeated the v30 in the Phonebuff test in a big way thanks to RAM difference, and we know that to be fact that the Note8 has 2GB more than the v30. There really was no question that the Note 8 will beat the v30 in the test even before the test started due to the RAM difference alone due to the nature of the test where the second round shows how the phone keeps apps in memory. The larger RAM all but ensured that win, the only question was how big the gap would be. The only way the Note8 would have lost was if it had really bad RAM management.

The Phonebuff test just showed how big a difference RAM can be in that kind of test. It really didn't show anything else other than show us thst the Note8 RAM makes it faster. And we don't even need a speed test to know that 6GB>4GB. On Phonebuff, the only phone to best the Note8 so far is the OnePlus5, and that's also thanks to the 8GB RAM.

If his test was valid then it should be reproducible. The fact of the matter is other videos have surfaced that show different results to prove otherwise.

You also can't claim that he runs his tests off fresh restarts when he clearly didn't show any of that in the video. More RAM doesn't always equate to faster processing, there's a lot more factors that come into play.

 

[Tsepz_GP]

If you can't level the playing field or even make an attempt to do so then you can't make claims such as one is better than the other. When you do credible benchmarking, you have to hold the environment constant or standardize test method to make it consistent across the board.

The whole premise of the first video is to show whether the additional RAM on the Note 8 makes a difference. Since he didn't bother to restart or do a fresh clean of the RAM simply invalidates his test. RAM is volatile which means that when you cycle power it resets which is what the second video shows. Cache & RAM are similar, but also quite different.

We are all about sharing one's opinions, but to propel your own dogmatic views about the phones as fact when it is clearly not backed with sound science is not petty, but simply shameful.

I won't go into hypotheticals about carrier branding with no proven facts. Also just so you know, the unlocked version of the V30 is not out yet or even available to reviewers.

Then Video 2 is invalid to, fact of matter is in either video no real level playing field as shown. We all know how Android works, and a reboot plus a cleared task switcher doesn't mean the RAM was cleared.

Lol, so we had two devices with carrier branding, and you know full well that it does have an effect on a device, that's why most of us prefer unlocked and unbranded.

Again, I totally understand if you couldn't take the result in PhoneBuff's video, it's clearly a hard pill for you to swallow.

Neither video is as scientific in the end. Its quite said that you try to insinuate that hes have loaded stuff on the Note8 in Video 1 just for it to win, goes back to my statement that this is hard pill for you to swallow.

Take it easy bud, there's always next year.

 

[Tsepz_GP]

Phonebuff tests are based off fresh restart. Doesn't matter if you have more stuff running in background that the phone loaded on restart. That's the manufacturer's fault in poor optimization and is therefore included. It was never fair to begin with because the video was not benchmarking actual speed of the hardware, but how the phone would perform under normal circumstances. Not everyone clears their RAM obsessively. A lot of people leave it alone like they should. The Note 8 defeated the v30 in the Phonebuff test in a big way thanks to RAM difference, and we know that to be fact that the Note8 has 2GB more than the v30. There really was no question that the Note 8 will beat the v30 in the test even before the test started due to the RAM difference alone due to the nature of the test where the second round shows how the phone keeps apps in memory. The larger RAM all but ensured that win, the only question was how big the gap would be. The only way the Note8 would have lost was if it had really bad RAM management.

The Phonebuff test just showed how big a difference RAM can be in that kind of test. It really didn't show anything else other than show us thst the Note8 RAM makes it faster. And we don't even need a speed test to know that 6GB>4GB. On Phonebuff, the only phone to best the Note8 so far is the OnePlus5, and that's also thanks to the 8GB RAM.

Exactly.

At the end of the day, neither video is very scientific or truly levelled out.

 

[chanchan05]

If his test was valid then it should be reproducible. The fact of the matter is other videos have surfaced that show different results to prove otherwise.

You also can't claim that he runs his tests off fresh restarts when he clearly didn't show any of that in the video. More RAM doesn't always equate to faster processing, there's a lot more factors that come into play.

Fact of the matter is, the other videos don't test the same way. All other videos test differently where you have to just look at it compared to the phone beside it, making it subjective as opposed to timed separate performance as it's more objective. And yes, it's reproducible. This is Phonebuff's first video on the V30 and there will be more.

The Note8 actually performed worse in this video compared to its other outings on Phonebuff, where it got a time of 2min 5sec against the v30. In the video against the OnePlus5, the Note 8 came in 2min1sec, and in the one against iPhone8, it came in at 2min2sec. So it actually already underperformed against the v30. That's 3 videos taken weeks apart where the Note8 had approximately reproducible results. We just need to wait for more v30 videos from Phonebuff. Or look for someone who tests the same way.

Other videos don't show the accumulated falling behind of the v30 because they look at it on a per app basis. It's going oh the Note 8 opened this app faster. Oh the v30 opened this faster. But how big is the difference? Only Phonebuff actually measured the difference.

And I didn't say more RAM equals faster processing. I said the Note 8 won the test because of the nature of thr test. The second round was seeing how many apps can the phone keep in memory. The larger RAM of the Note 8 means it will keep more apps in memory than the v30, which means the v30 will lose because it will have to reload apps.

 

[irvine752]

Then Video 2 is invalid to, fact of matter is in either video no real level playing field as shown. We all know how Android works, and a reboot plus a cleared task switcher doesn't mean the RAM was cleared.

Lol, so we had two devices with carrier branding, and you know full well that it does have an effect on a device, that's why most of us prefer unlocked and unbranded.

Again, I totally understand if you couldn't take the result in PhoneBuff's video, it's clearly a hard pill for you to swallow.

Neither video is as scientific in the end. Its quite said that you try to insinuate that hes have loaded stuff on the Note8 in Video 1 just for it to win, goes back to my statement that this is hard pill for you to swallow.

Take it easy bud, there's always next year.

When you reboot a device RAM is cleared. Cache is not RAM. Not so sure where the confusion is coming from. One video is more credible than the other that's the point, end of story. I didn't try to insinuate anything, I'm just playing devil's advocate to show some of the flaws in your logic.

There's also no way this guy is using an unlocked version of the V30. It's not even released yet. They only have 3 Korean models out...namely the V300L, V300S & the V300K.

 

[irvine752]

Fact of the matter is, the other videos don't test the same way. All other videos test differently where you have to just look at it compared to the phone beside it, making it subjective as opposed to timed separate performance as it's more objective. And yes, it's reproducible. This is Phonebuff's first video on the V30 and there will be more.

The Note8 actually performed worse in this video compared to its other outings on Phonebuff, where it got a time of 2min 5sec against the v30. In the video against the OnePlus5, the Note 8 came in 2min1sec, and in the one against iPhone8, it came in at 2min2sec. So it actually already underperformed against the v30. That's 3 videos taken weeks apart where the Note8 had approximately reproducible results. We just need to wait for more v30 videos from Phonebuff. Or look for someone who tests the same way.

Other videos don't show the accumulated falling behind of the v30 because they look at it on a per app basis. It's going oh the Note 8 opened this app faster. Oh the v30 opened this faster. But how big is the difference? Only Phonebuff actually measured the difference.

And I didn't say more RAM equals faster processing. I said the Note 8 won the test because of the nature of thr test. The second round was seeing how many apps can the phone keep in memory. The larger RAM of the Note 8 means it will keep more apps in memory than the v30, which means the v30 will lose because it will have to reload apps.

If he continues to test these phones without doing power cycle to reset the RAM it won't be credible. He really needs to show everyone on video a proper power cycle then start the tests. Just like with anything else you can't start a race without having both devices on the same starting line.

 

[chanchan05]

If he continues to test these phones without doing power cycle to reset the RAM it won't be credible. He really needs to show everyone on video a proper power cycle then start the tests. Just like with anything else you can't start a race without having both devices on the same starting line.

1. Actually if you want to show real life performance you aren't going to power cycle. Not everyone power cycles the phone before every usage.

2. All apps used in the test obviously loaded when opened, hence none of them were already sitting in the background for either phone.

3. And power cycling would make the test irrelevant when you want the test to show how fast the phone could be in real life conditions. In real life several apps would have tried to run in the background already and the phone would have several apps cached, not empty. What you're looking for is a drag race where we strip everything down to minimum and race with just the engines. That race is useless. We need to race with everything on board. If the backseats on the other car is too heavy making it lose to a coupe, that's too bad. The test that happened is basically if it would be faster to carry 6 apples at a time than 4.
You only need the power cycle if you want to see the absolute performance of the device. If that's not what you're after, then the power cycling skews the test to be erroneous. If there's a memory leak, then the power cycling would hide it's effect on performance in the speed test, but in real usage the phone would be slower.

4. The Note 8 based on previous tests, we know is performing as expected, slightly worse even. And we can't say Phonebuff is biased when last time it did such tests, Samsungs were the worst performers (last years S7 Snapdragons). The S8 lost to the HTC U11 and G6 if I remember correctly. This is perhaps the first time LG got beat that I recall. And this has the Note 8 which has been in house for several weeks going up against a new acquired v30. Wouldn't it be the Note 8 supposedly be at a disadvantage if no power cycling happened? The Phonebuff speed test was never about absolute hardware speed.

5. Let's just see how the v30 performs in subsequent tests. It should have times close to what occured now.

 

[Tsepz_GP]

1. Actually if you want to show real life performance you aren't going to power cycle. Not everyone power cycles the phone before every usage.

2. All apps used in the test obviously loaded when opened, hence none of them were already sitting in the background for either phone.

3. And power cycling would make the test irrelevant when you want the test to show how fast the phone could be in real life conditions. In real life several apps would have tried to run in the background already and the phone would have several apps cached, not empty. What you're looking for is a drag race where we strip everything down to minimum and race with just the engines. That race is useless. We need to race with everything on board. If the backseats on the other car is too heavy making it lose to a coupe, that's too bad. The test that happened is basically if it would be faster to carry 6 apples at a time than 4.
You only need the power cycle if you want to see the absolute performance of the device. If that's not what you're after, then the power cycling skews the test to be erroneous. If there's a memory leak, then the power cycling would hide it's effect on performance in the speed test, but in real usage the phone would be slower.

4. The Note 8 based on previous tests, we know is performing as expected, slightly worse even. And we can't say Phonebuff is biased when last time it did such tests, Samsungs were the worst performers (last years S7 Snapdragons). The S8 lost to the HTC U11 and G6 if I remember correctly. This is perhaps the first time LG got beat that I recall. And this has the Note 8 which has been in house for several weeks going up against a new acquired v30. Wouldn't it be the Note 8 supposedly be at a disadvantage if no power cycling happened? The Phonebuff speed test was never about absolute hardware speed.

5. Let's just see how the v30 performs in subsequent tests. It should have times close to what occured now.

Precisely. This goes back to him not wanting to accept the result.

 

[Golfdriver97]

Speed tests are like benchmarks; useless. Get the phone you want and enjoy it.

 

[SupraLB]

Funny, i've been trying to figure out why my V20 is so sluggish, and I installed a RAM monitor which shows i'm always at 75% to 85% of RAM. I tried clearing it with a few apps but it would only go down a few points temporarily. Frustrating that my camera app is always loaded up in the RAM, but its my slowest one to open. Always a second or two delay.

With that, the lack of 6gb RAM on the V30 was my biggest surprise. Especially since the LG G6+ has 6gb RAM.

 

[Golfdriver97]

Funny, i've been trying to figure out why my V20 is so sluggish, and I installed a RAM monitor which shows i'm always at 75% to 85% of RAM. I tried clearing it with a few apps but it would only go down a few points temporarily. Frustrating that my camera app is always loaded up in the RAM, but its my slowest one to open. Always a second or two delay.

With that, the lack of 6gb RAM on the V30 was my biggest surprise. Especially since the LG G6+ has 6gb RAM.

Something to keep in mind is Android is designed to having RAM full.

 

[SupraLB]

Something to keep in mind is Android is designed to having RAM full.

That what i researched as well. But if i'm using 3GB out of 4GB as of now, I wonder if it would be 3GB out of 6GB if I had 6GB.

I just have to wonder if my phone is loading up 85% while its doing nothing, and I pickup up the phone to immediately start recording 4k video, it has to immediately do a lot of work to shut some RAM down and process the heavy content coming in.

 

[Mike Dee]

If we assume the tests are fair the only conclusion we can draw is the one phone is slightly faster at certain functions. Suggesting that the extra ram is the source of difference is a good guess but we don't really know for sure. Extra ram only improves speed if you don't have enough ram to begin with. I'm not saying that the extra ram isn't helping, however 4 GB of RAM on a phone is pretty powerful.