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I will try a half hour run, but I do now notice that the CPU usage does lower bit by bit as time goes by after I leave the browser. I think the reason it gets so high depends on where its at when I end it. If I'm browsing images, that's probably taxing the CPU more, so when I exit, naturally the CPU usage will be initially higher. I wonder how high your percentage is if you exit out of a Google image result list, sinceyou said yours doesn't go very high?

I just tried Google inches in The browser and I can't switch back to system panel fast enough to see any CPU usage whatsoever from The browser. In fact I have about 15 apps in my active list and none of them show any movement on that usage bar except system panel. For example if you scroll up and down in system panel you see itself going up and down on its CPU meter. But none of my other active apps rarely move.

In fact my entire phone is extremely efficient. My top apps show the highest activity as 2% and I've never seen higher. And that top app is always android system followed by browser usually.

Maybe stock android is just super efficient compared to a sense UI phone.

How exactly are you doing this Google image search so I can try? Mobile site or full version, and what search terms? And what do you mean exiting, just pressing the home button? Are you allowing the page to load then switch away, or are you clicking the link then immediately going to system panel to watch its CPU usage?
 
Oh, you're talking top apps...when I say 16-20% I'm talking where it says average consumption. Any monitor run I do never shows an app using more than 2% either. As I said before, I think I had Average Consumption confused with how much the app is CURRENTLY running, my bad. I do see what you mean where System Panel's bar is the only thing moving - like I said I had no idea that was the current CPU usage. I viewed System Panel while using Pandora and sure enough, Pandora was showing movement in its vertical bar as well.

What I did with the Google image thing was I did a search, allowed all the thumbnails to load and then backed out - using the home button or back button, it didn't matter, my average consumption was 20-30%. But that was my mistake, and I think I've figured it out now - that was AVERAGE consumption. I think it takes the time since the app was started and divides that by the total CPU time. So if I have a ton of images loaded in Internet, that's going to take more CPU than a bunch of text, and if it's been say, 1 minute that I've used Internet, the average is going to be high, but as the time goes on since I've loaded the app, that average declines slowly.

When I was using the weather channel app, I noticed the average consumption would skyrocket if I had viewed the map, but once I closed out of it, it wasn't using the CPU after all. That's me thinking out loud but I think I get it now. They really should have better documentation on this. So the vertical bar to the left of each active application is what I need to pay attention to.

EDIT: And now I'm looking at my "Inactive" apps, and Android Market and Abduction are both still showing CPU usage. I thought they were inactive? I'm going to remove Abduction since I don't use it much anyway.
 
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Not sure what abduction does. The Market, I think, stays active to check for updates to your apps. But it doesn't run continually. On my Evo, the Market app is actually in the Inactive Group.

Hmm, I'm using app brain, and those shows intermittent cpu usage. I just installed the paid version of System Panel, so I'll monitor over time and see how much is uses. I doubt it's very much, though.
 
Not sure what abduction does. The Market, I think, stays active to check for updates to your apps. But it doesn't run continually. On my Evo, the Market app is actually in the Inactive Group.

Hmm, I'm using app brain, and those shows intermittent cpu usage. I just installed the paid version of System Panel, so I'll monitor over time and see how much is uses. I doubt it's very much, though.

The Market and abduction apps were in my inactive group as well, but the CPU bar were still going up and down slightly.
 
Oh, you're talking top apps...when I say 16-20% I'm talking where it says average consumption. Any monitor run I do never shows an app using more than 2% either. As I said before, I think I had Average Consumption confused with how much the app is CURRENTLY running, my bad. I do see what you mean where System Panel's bar is the only thing moving - like I said I had no idea that was the current CPU usage. I viewed System Panel while using Pandora and sure enough, Pandora was showing movement in its vertical bar as well.

What I did with the Google image thing was I did a search, allowed all the thumbnails to load and then backed out - using the home button or back button, it didn't matter, my average consumption was 20-30%. But that was my mistake, and I think I've figured it out now - that was AVERAGE consumption. I think it takes the time since the app was started and divides that by the total CPU time. So if I have a ton of images loaded in Internet, that's going to take more CPU than a bunch of text, and if it's been say, 1 minute that I've used Internet, the average is going to be high, but as the time goes on since I've loaded the app, that average declines slowly.

When I was using the weather channel app, I noticed the average consumption would skyrocket if I had viewed the map, but once I closed out of it, it wasn't using the CPU after all. That's me thinking out loud but I think I get it now. They really should have better documentation on this. So the vertical bar to the left of each active application is what I need to pay attention to.

EDIT: And now I'm looking at my "Inactive" apps, and Android Market and Abduction are both still showing CPU usage. I thought they were inactive? I'm going to remove Abduction since I don't use it much anyway.

no i was talking about the same thing, just your main active apps list, when you click into an item, it shows average consumption. then i went on to say that "top apps" is where you can get additional info.

so yes that vertical bar is current real time cpu usage, and of my 15 runnning apps, none of them rarely ever show any activity other than system panel itself. that's why i'm so confused that you can see any movement on the browser when you minimize it to the background. mine always shows no movement, unless i click a link and immediately go to system panel. then i can watch it use cpu while it loads the page, and when its done loading in the background it goes down to zero.

so yeah i believe it just takes cpu and divides by time to give the average. i pay more attention to what it shows for the browser in top apps, since you can see the graph and compare it to the blue graph below it which is device usage. so you can correlate all the times you are using the device, and the browser usage lines up with that perfectly. and all the times the blue graph shows no activity, browser shows no activity as well. its a great way to really see what is using cpu when you are not using your device.

and since the top apps list more or less shows everything that hits your cpu, you can go thru one by one in the top apps list, go into each one, set your time peroid, and compare that process cpu usage vs blue device usage and line them up. this is easier once you have a full day's worth of data to view.

i'm really baffled by the inactive apps showing any movement on the vertical cpu bar. i never noticed that before, and i cant check right now cause i'm running froyo (its a long story to explain). but i am almost positive that all items in that inactive list are static, frozen, using no resources. in fact i've watched that list as a repeatedly click the refresh button on the bottom, and see apps drop out and re-appear as you keep hitting the button. it really shows how the OS can release any of those apps in an instant with no load placed on the system. it needs some RAM, a few disappear, etc.

so what i HAVE learned from system panel is that everything running in active apps can have 3 states, foreground, background, and visible.

foreground is kinda obvious. and background is obvious kinda too. but sometimes an app will show background, and then later that same app will show as a "service", so i'm still trying to figure that out.

when it says "visible", that means that you have just backed out of that app with the back button, and if you hit the refresh button below, it will disappear in a few moments and sometimes move itself down to the inactive category. and other times it will just disappear completely. the status "visible" has something to do with the stack that the application was placed in. for example if you open up lets say gmail, then your notification shade shows a new google voice message, then again another notification comes up for new text. now you have 3 applications in the "active stack", and using the back key to go all the way out back to the homescreen, gmail will be the last one on the stack. and it will say "visible". but that really means closed because refresh button and its gone in a few seconds. similarly, if you just open an app, then back out using back button, it will say visible, then usually disappear, cause you just had one app in the stack.

for the first month i HATED android cause it wasnt like symbian where i could understand what apps close and what dont. i still dont understand everything, but i feel a decent grasp after playing with system panel for a while.

if you really wanna get pissed, running froyo completely changes the way the OS handles all this. in fact it seems like google completely got rid of the "inactive cached" apps idea, because they do not show up in froyo. only 2 lists, active and system processes. there isnt 25 preloaded apps running in froyo. some might think this is a good thing. however i STILL see weird stuff going on in main active list. like it still loads up some things that i wonder why, but at least its a lot less and simplifies things. nobody knows if this is intentional on google's part, or just not the final release of the OS, or what. cause its not in the changelog for 2.2.
 
No, I wasn't seeing CPU usage after closing the web browser. Like I said, I was mistaken with that, looking only at the average and not the little bar on the left. The little bar on the left is doing nothing when I'm backed out of the browser, so all is good now, thanks for helping me understand. As far as 2.2, it will probably help my ocd regarding this stuff, lol. But yes, market and abduction, both shown as inactive, were still showing current (not average!) CPU usage, which is still odd. But thanks for all of your help, Roger!
 
No, I wasn't seeing CPU usage after closing the web browser. Like I said, I was mistaken with that, looking only at the average and not the little bar on the left. The little bar on the left is doing nothing when I'm backed out of the browser, so all is good now, thanks for helping me understand. As far as 2.2, it will probably help my ocd regarding this stuff, lol. But yes, market and abduction, both shown as inactive, were still showing current (not average!) CPU usage, which is still odd. But thanks for all of your help, Roger!

No problem. I know it took me a lot of work to understand android OS coming from 4 years of Nokia symbian phones, and this is my first. So I feel helping others at least passes it on, and maybe gives more appreciation for android. Once you get this down comfortably, you can see why you want to scream when people talk about using kill all task managers. I'm not saying that does or doesn't work. I think it makes no difference cause for 4 months I've not used one and stuck with system panel. But I have to think its either placebo, or they ARE getting results but masking a faulty out of control app in The process. Especially when all these inactive apps seem like a waste to try and auto kill anyway. You would just use more battery by killing, OS reopens, killing, reopens, etc etc.

However I'm gonna load cyanogen tomorrow and check those inactive apps CPU usage, particularly the market. If true that throws a twist into the whole thing.
 
First Android phone here, so I'm no wizard at this thing. But I will say the Advanced Task Killer has been a blessing for me thus far.

Before installing it, I would go to bed with a 98 percent charge and wake up with about a 74 percent charge (not leaving it charging over night, obviously). Since downloading the task killer, I'll go to bed with about a 98 percent charge and wake up at 95.

I also couldn't be happier with the battery performance. Before, I was in a mad rush at work to ensure I kept this thing charging when listening to music and stuff. Now I can listen to music almost non stop at work and still get home with a good amount of battery left.
 
I tried ATK for a while, had great battery life and figured I would just keep running it since everything seemed to work ok. Last week I caved and decided to try a couple of days without to see how it goes. To my surprise, my battery life didn't tank. Going on 4 days with ATK off and everything is peachy.
 
I tried ATK for a while, had great battery life and figured I would just keep running it since everything seemed to work ok. Last week I caved and decided to try a couple of days without to see how it goes. To my surprise, my battery life didn't tank. Going on 4 days with ATK off and everything is peachy.

yeah i really am inclined to say 98% of the time it is placebo effect. there are random instances where someone has an out of control app killing battery, so ATK helps by killing that rogue app. but removing the bad app is really the solution more than killing it repeatedly.
 
Do we need to let the following run? mailservice, obexservice, connectivityservice, gtalkservice, cm_service, htcmservice, updateservice, agentservice, dmserviceapp and touch input????

Or can I turn'em off and on as I see fit? They keep saying I may have unwanted results by turning'em off. Thanks guys.
 
To get push Gmail, it seems you need either gtalkservice OR always on data. If you shut them both down Gmail will only sync when you open the app. Don't know if that matters to you or not. Mailservice, I believe, needs to run to get push or timed checks in HTC email.

Touch input sounds pretty important.

Needed system level services will simply restart when needed if you kill them. If you kill them automatically when they start, lord only knows what will happen, but it's not likely to be good.
 
First Android phone here, so I'm no wizard at this thing. But I will say the Advanced Task Killer has been a blessing for me thus far.

Before installing it, I would go to bed with a 98 percent charge and wake up with about a 74 percent charge (not leaving it charging over night, obviously). Since downloading the task killer, I'll go to bed with about a 98 percent charge and wake up at 95.

I also couldn't be happier with the battery performance. Before, I was in a mad rush at work to ensure I kept this thing charging when listening to music and stuff. Now I can listen to music almost non stop at work and still get home with a good amount of battery left.

OK, so now you know you have some app or service that runs all night and chews up battery. Wouldn't you like to know what it is, and actually fix the problem, rather than applying a bandaid?
 
I got my EVO last weekend and immediately installed ATK. I found it annoying that every time I opened it all these programs were showing up that I didn’t even open. After reading this thread I turned ATK off. I noticed how well the battery life changed. I had ATK on, my battery went from 85-65% in a few hours, turned ATK off, and the battery stayed on 65% for a few hours. On a restart ATK started up automatically, which I was unaware of, and noticed my battery went down to 50% in the matter of 3-4 hours after a full charge. I uninstalled ATK and I hope that was the only culprit for consuming so much battery. My phone just died after only 7 hours of use. By days end yesterday (7am-10pm) it had 20% left, and that was after some web browsing, txt/fb messages, and playing around with apps and the phone in general. I'll have to try system panel and see if there are any new apps I downloaded that are consuming battery life.
 
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I also was using ATK when I was using my temporary Eris. Since I switched to the Evo on launch I downloaded it immediately. It wasn't until yesterday that I finally uninstalled it after reading a ton of articles and forums relating to the horrible battery life.

Since this was done, battery is amazing in comparison to before. I'm going on 20 hours now since my last charge and I'm still at 40%. It would have been dead last night prior to making the changes. So relieved.
 
I agree. ATK should NEVER be used to auto kill anything.. I do use it to manually kill stuff if it is needed but I use that sparingly!
 
Much better off going with a custom rom which has agressive task management built in. Then you dont have to worry about 3rd party apps.
 
I just installed Automatic Task Killer - the one where you choose which apps you want to kill when the phone's display turns off. I only kill those that I use once and then close. After two days, my battery life seems better - maybe 15-20% better.

Might go another day and then remove it to see if there is a noticable difference.