Display in sunlight

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Here's the answers to the first two for those who need a cheat sheet, the third question is the logic one.

1) https://www.anandtech.com/show/10285/the-iphone-se-review/4
2) Galaxy S9 OLED Display Technology Shoot-Out

 

[45Shield]

Okay three questions and I want you to answer them with facts and or honest logic.

1) what is the maximum brightness of the iPhone SE

2) what is the maximum brightness of the Galaxy S9 Plus?

3) which one of those numbers is greater?

Doesn’t matter when 4 eyewitnesses (I miscounted earlier) see it. 3 Galaxies don’t lie. I’m sorry that I even brought it up.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Doesn’t matter when 4 eyewitnesses (I miscounted earlier) see it. 3 Galaxies don’t lie. I’m sorry that I even brought it up.

Ok then I will admit that I was mistaken in my earlier assumption that you were mistaken in your analysis of the available data. You clearly know the data exists (I linked it directly above the post I'm quoting now) and you instead choose to state things that are clearly contrary to the facts. I think that we can indeed agree to disagree - not on the facts, for those are immutable - but on whether or not facts matter. You clearly do not believe that they matter, when anyone trying to have a reasonable discourse must conclude that the facts matter or else an honest dialogue is impossible.

The questions you refused to answer, have answers as follows. The iPhone SE has a max brightness of approx. 598 nits. The Galaxy S9+ beats it by 532 nits, with a max brightness of approx. 1130 nits. This is an advantage of 89%, meaning that the S9+ is nearly TWICE as bright in direct sunlight. Lying eyes would be necessary in order to mistake such a vast difference.

 

[45Shield]

Ok then I will admit that I was mistaken in my earlier assumption that you were mistaken in your analysis of the available data. You clearly know the data exists (I linked it directly above the post I'm quoting now) and you instead choose to state things that are clearly contrary to the facts. I think that we can indeed agree to disagree - not on the facts, for those are immutable - but on whether or not facts matter. You clearly do not believe that they matter, when anyone trying to have a reasonable discourse must conclude that the facts matter or else an honest dialogue is impossible.

The questions you refused to answer, have answers as follows. The iPhone SE has a max brightness of approx. 598 nits. The Galaxy S9+ beats it by 532 nits, with a max brightness of approx. 1130 nits. This is an advantage of 89%, meaning that the S9+ is nearly TWICE as bright in direct sunlight. Lying eyes would be necessary in order to mistake such a vast difference.

Do you believe what you read or what you see? I’ll leave you with that question.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Do you believe what you read or what you see? I’ll leave you with that question.

Actually, we're back to something being wrong with your settings. Yes, on ALL THREE GALAXIES.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Do you believe what you read or what you see? I’ll leave you with that question.

I believe in evidence. Evidence that is positively and solely in support of one single conclusion over all over proposed conclusions. Evidence that is established by objective measurement in a verifiable, ie. repeatable manner, using the best tools available to make such claims.

That evidence is that, as is multiply attested to by several and independent professionals using equipment calibrated for the sole purpose of determining the various attributes of display quality, the Galaxy S9+ is nearly twice as bright in direct sunlight, as the iPhone SE, when both are using the settings that allow for the maximum brightness to be achieved.

In order for your proposal to be considered for even the possibility of being correct, you would have to provide one of two things. 1) Evidence that each and all of the multiple sources that verify the standard claim are false and that either their conclusions are intentionally misleading or that they all make the same mistake in measurement. 2) Measurements of your own, of a superior nature than that of the experts using professional equipment, that contradict the preponderance of evidence, which all aligns against your case.

So our choices, given the available information, concerning your position are as follows.
1) You are lying or trolling. We're assuming that this is NOT the case, because to assume it is the case would be rude.
2) You don't understand the evidence and therefore it would be reasonable for us to try to help you understand the reality and if that reality doesn't agree with your perception, help you troubleshoot the issues preventing concordance.
3) You are mistaken in your ability to repeat the conditions that enable the maximum brightness on the S9+
4) You have a defective device - you claimed to have ruled this out by testing multiple devices.
5) You have defective eyesight - so far there is no evidence to support this claim, so occam's razor... let's not introduce this one.

So if we cancel 1, 4 and 5 based on your narrative - then 2 or 3 are the only logical conclusions, unless you have a 6th proposal - but be cautious, because if your 6th proposal is that all of the experts are wrong because they don't agree with your anecdotal experience, that is a positive claim which requires evidence to support not only it's reality, but even it's possibility, which would require precedent. The rule in effect there is that all positive claims must be supported by positive evidence. Otherwise they are merely assertions, which are unworthy of consideration.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

That was a lot of words and I do that sometimes and I apologize. Here's the TLDR.

You're saying things that are impossible as if you believe that they are true. We would like to help you troubleshoot the issue so that you can enjoy the full functionality of the device which you are so far not able to do.

 

[chanchan05]

The easy fix here is to ask @45Shield to just post a picture showing his claims, since we also have to consider what exactly is the situation he is seeing.

Thing here is, with OLED we have to consider what exactly are you looking at to state this claim. OLED visibility in sunlight relies a lot on contrast and not just backlight power, unlike LCDs which relies on trasflective properties as well as backlight power.

Maximum brightness output on an OLED screen is not the be all, end all of it's sunlight visibility measurement because each area of the screen has a different brightness due to the way how OLED works, unlike an LCD which will have consistent brightness throughout the screen.

One scenario where an LCD with less nits capability could become better than an OLED when viewed under direct sunlight is when looking at darker pictures, or pictures with low contrast between colors. Then an opposite scenario where OLED will be more readable is a black text on white background or white text on black background scenario, because the contrast between the two opposing colors can reach infinite value.

So while an OLED screen may indeed reach a maximum brightness twice that of an LCD screen, this does not automatically equate to better screen visibility. You also have to factor in the OLED software that does the automatic "color washout" feature when in direct sunlight. If that algorithm is not working, then there's a software issue as well to consider.

 

[45Shield]

I believe in evidence. Evidence that is positively and solely in support of one single conclusion over all over proposed conclusions. Evidence that is established by objective measurement in a verifiable, ie. repeatable manner, using the best tools available to make such claims.

That evidence is that, as is multiply attested to by several and independent professionals using equipment calibrated for the sole purpose of determining the various attributes of display quality, the Galaxy S9+ is nearly twice as bright in direct sunlight, as the iPhone SE, when both are using the settings that allow for the maximum brightness to be achieved.

In order for your proposal to be considered for even the possibility of being correct, you would have to provide one of two things. 1) Evidence that each and all of the multiple sources that verify the standard claim are false and that either their conclusions are intentionally misleading or that they all make the same mistake in measurement. 2) Measurements of your own, of a superior nature than that of the experts using professional equipment, that contradict the preponderance of evidence, which all aligns against your case.

So our choices, given the available information, concerning your position are as follows.
1) You are lying or trolling. We're assuming that this is NOT the case, because to assume it is the case would be rude.
2) You don't understand the evidence and therefore it would be reasonable for us to try to help you understand the reality and if that reality doesn't agree with your perception, help you troubleshoot the issues preventing concordance.
3) You are mistaken in your ability to repeat the conditions that enable the maximum brightness on the S9+
4) You have a defective device - you claimed to have ruled this out by testing multiple devices.
5) You have defective eyesight - so far there is no evidence to support this claim, so occam's razor... let's not introduce this one.

So if we cancel 1, 4 and 5 based on your narrative - then 2 or 3 are the only logical conclusions, unless you have a 6th proposal - but be cautious, because if your 6th proposal is that all of the experts are wrong because they don't agree with your anecdotal experience, that is a positive claim which requires evidence to support not only it's reality, but even it's possibility, which would require precedent. The rule in effect there is that all positive claims must be supported by positive evidence. Otherwise they are merely assertions, which are unworthy of consideration.

You have said "lying" twice, and "trolling" once. Please do not ever again use these words when pertaining to me, as it is not appreciated. You did not answer my question about reading or seeing, either. All Galaxies were on auto brightness as suggested earlier. And according to chanchan05, it is possible, regardless of what you think or say. I will try to post pics tomorrow if I can.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

You have said "lying" twice, and "trolling" once. Please do not ever again use these words when pertaining to me, as it is not appreciated. You did not answer my question about reading or seeing, either. All Galaxies were on auto brightness as suggested earlier. And according to chanchan05, it is possible, regardless of what you think or say. I will try to post pics tomorrow if I can.

I was very clear in each instance that those were NOT terms I was using to refer to you.

 

[TheShadowDroid]

Let me through my 2 cents in I just switched to a S9 from a iPhone 8 and my S9 is so much brighter in the sun light then the iPhone 8 hands down

 

[nate0]

So while an OLED screen may indeed reach a maximum brightness twice that of an LCD screen, this does not automatically equate to better screen visibility. You also have to factor in the OLED software that does the automatic "color washout" feature when in direct sunlight. If that algorithm is not working, then there's a software issue as well to consider.

Exactly. Brightness alone does not equate to great visibility of what's on your screen in sunlight or other very bright environments. Glass compensation factor or thickness, viewing angles, every thing above also mentioned and many more. Plus each one of has our own pair of eyes to draw a conclusion with that varies from individual to individual.

 

[LCW]

I find my S9 screen to look washed out in bright sunlight... as if the colors were faded by the sun lol. iPhone X was much better in this respect.

 

[chanchan05]

I find my S9 screen to look washed out in bright sunlight... as if the colors were faded by the sun lol. iPhone X was much better in this respect.

That's actually intentional. All Samsungs do this in very bright sunlight. It allows it to be much more readable in sunlight without having to go full brightness which would hasten burn in. Since I live in a tropical country, sunlight here at noon time is excessive, I tried exposing the phone to bright light, then put it back in the shade, and I would see the color correction happen since the washout effect lasts for a second still since the light difference between outside my window and indoors is drastic.

 

[nate0]

That is right. It is similar to most any sunlight readability modes purpose. Drive the white point higher while holding all the colors at a 100% brightness. The Nokia and Microsoft Windows 8 and Windows 10 phones are known for this as well. Using the Color Profile service app and drivers. In most cases it is much more noticeable in that mobile OS (the washed out effect) than any other OS I have used. Sometimes it helps and other times not so much. Depends on what is on the screen.

It all is about how the OEM/Maker are able to proprietorially drive their screens with a given OS software and drivers.

 

[Excetera]

I have the Note 8 Galaxy. I go outside in cloudy but bright light and the camera's screen is so dim I can barely see it. I see brightness is a maximum. I try turning off Auto, which worked for my old S5, but it is still dim. Comparisons aside, it fails.

 

[mary beth hale]

I have the Note 8 Galaxy. I go outside in cloudy but bright light and the camera's screen is so dim I can barely see it. I see brightness is a maximum. I try turning off Auto, which worked for my old S5, but it is still dim. Comparisons aside, it fails.

I have the same issue with camera screen in bright light.

 

[Hermes Hidayat]

Hmmm, i never knew iPhones were better than Samsung under sunlight... Considering iPhone's screen is made by Samsung.

I recently compared my S9 Plus to my Fiancee's iPhone XS Max(both with auto brightness ON) went under the sun at 13.00 Noon and my S9 Plus did better... On the XSM i had to adjust the distance between my eyes and the device. But it's just for me. Not sure if it happened for anyone else.

 

[Hermes Hidayat]

That's actually intentional. All Samsungs do this in very bright sunlight. It allows it to be much more readable in sunlight without having to go full brightness which would hasten burn in. Since I live in a tropical country, sunlight here at noon time is excessive, I tried exposing the phone to bright light, then put it back in the shade, and I would see the color correction happen since the washout effect lasts for a second still since the light difference between outside my window and indoors is drastic.

iPhone users dont want stuff to be much more readable. They just want the brightness to be so bright, everybody can tell its an iPhone from 1km away in broad daylight xD.

 

[CorruptedBerry]

The extra brightness that comes on during bright light is not limited to auto mode only.

It gets extra brighter under sunlight it bright light even in regular mode.

I'm on a note 8, but it's been like this since the note 4 or 5.

You can easily simulate this by aiming the flash light of another phone onto the sensor.

It'll brighten you. Turn off the flashlight and it darkens.