Does this make you want to hit the brakes on the Bionic?

[anon(49997)]

I'm in a freaking dizzy spin!

All these so-called choices of unreleased phones is Crazy.

 

[Asterdroid]

I think you correct, but I am hopping on the Bionic "wave." Each wave of phones that come in will be better (for the most part) than the previous group...I really want a new phone and just don't want to wait until December or 1st QTR 2012.

I hear you. If it weren't for the delay, this would have been the best of the spring/summer wave, rather than the worst of the fall/winter wave. Sad.

 

[hvalergir]

I just feel like the Bionic is the best of the previous tier of phones, but doesn't stack up to the next wave (Prime, Vigor, HD, SGS2, etc.). Who knows. I could be wrong.

I dunno, look at it this way: most people compare phones based on their previous generation, as makes sense. When droid 2 came out they compared it to droid one, to determine if it was a large spec bump, or a moderate refresh. So look at last year, 1GHz phones where the new thing, then LTE came along and that took its place as the newest tech feature to have (checkered 4G reception aside). That could be considered the end of that tier. The next tier was dual core phones, starting with tegra 2 and ending up, as of now, with the OMAP and Exynos (SGSII being, imo, the culmination of that tier, unless it has LTE). The next logical iteration was adding LTE to these dual core phones, starting with the bionic. The bionic is starting this new tech generation of phones, it even has "qHD" (ignoring pentile for the moment). The next wave of phones coming late this fall, really are just minor tech bumps of this basic tech iteration. Faster processors (~20%) and larger screens, but no SIGNIFICANT technical iteration.

I argue that the Bionic isn't the best of the last tier, but the first of the new tier. From here on for a bit, LTE+ dual-core and some form of HD screen will be the formula, with smaller tech bumps here and there, but nothing HUGE until ICS, but then i argue the hardware wont be that much more impressive, as to be considered the next tier of phone. I consider the next tier to require something radically different, like the jump from 3G to LTE, or single core to dual core. When the 2nd gen LTE chips come in and make our dual core LTE phones 8mm thick, I will concede that the Bionic's tier has elapsed (or quad-core phones, or some other new tech inclusion.) 1.5 GHz DC snapdragon with a 4.5" screen is not, imo, a tier ahead of the bionic.

People complain that the bionic isn't as revolutionary as the Droid 1, and they would be right, but that isn't to say that the bionic is not revolutionary. thats like saying the droid one wasnt revolutionary because the droid incredible release was not that long afterwords.
I agree they drug the launch out more than they should have, but this IS the phone that starts the next tier.


TL;DR: I AM AWESOME


hehe its like saying the Beatles where not as revolutionary as Elvis

 

[Asterdroid]

I dunno, look at it this way: most people compare phones based on their previous generation, as makes sense. When droid 2 came out they compared it to droid one, to determine if it was a large spec bump, or a moderate refresh. So look at last year, 1GHz phones where the new thing, then LTE came along and that took its place as the newest tech feature to have (checkered 4G reception aside). That could be considered the end of that tier. The next tier was dual core phones, starting with tegra 2 and ending up, as of now, with the OMAP and Exynos (SGSII being, imo, the culmination of that tier, unless it has LTE). The next logical iteration was adding LTE to these dual core phones, starting with the bionic. The bionic is starting this new tech generation of phones, it even has "qHD" (ignoring pentile for the moment). The next wave of phones coming late this fall, really are just minor tech bumps of this basic tech iteration. Faster processors (~20%) and larger screens, but no SIGNIFICANT technical iteration.

I argue that the Bionic isn't the best of the last tier, but the first of the new tier. From here on for a bit, LTE+ dual-core and some form of HD screen will be the formula, with smaller tech bumps here and there, but nothing HUGE until ICS, but then i argue the hardware wont be that much more impressive, as to be considered the next tier of phone. I consider the next tier to require something radically different, like the jump from 3G to LTE, or single core to dual core. When the 2nd gen LTE chips come in and make our dual core LTE phones 8mm thick, I will concede that the Bionic's tier has elapsed (or quad-core phones, or some other new tech inclusion.) 1.5 GHz DC snapdragon with a 4.5" screen is not, imo, a tier ahead of the bionic.

People complain that the bionic isn't as revolutionary as the Droid 1, and they would be right, but that isn't to say that the bionic is not revolutionary. thats like saying the droid one wasnt revolutionary because the droid incredible release was not that long afterwords.
I agree they drug the launch out more than they should have, but this IS the phone that starts the next tier.


TL;DR: I AM AWESOME

While I definitely see your point, I feel that way more because of it's original target release date than actual specs. It was supposed to be Motorola's contribution to the initial batch of LTE devices in late spring.

 

[trailblazen]

I dunno, look at it this way: most people compare phones based on their previous generation, as makes sense. When droid 2 came out they compared it to droid one, to determine if it was a large spec bump, or a moderate refresh. So look at last year, 1GHz phones where the new thing, then LTE came along and that took its place as the newest tech feature to have (checkered 4G reception aside). That could be considered the end of that tier. The next tier was dual core phones, starting with tegra 2 and ending up, as of now, with the OMAP and Exynos (SGSII being, imo, the culmination of that tier, unless it has LTE). The next logical iteration was adding LTE to these dual core phones, starting with the bionic. The bionic is starting this new tech generation of phones, it even has "qHD" (ignoring pentile for the moment). The next wave of phones coming late this fall, really are just minor tech bumps of this basic tech iteration. Faster processors (~20%) and larger screens, but no SIGNIFICANT technical iteration.

I argue that the Bionic isn't the best of the last tier, but the first of the new tier. From here on for a bit, LTE+ dual-core and some form of HD screen will be the formula, with smaller tech bumps here and there, but nothing HUGE until ICS, but then i argue the hardware wont be that much more impressive, as to be considered the next tier of phone. I consider the next tier to require something radically different, like the jump from 3G to LTE, or single core to dual core. When the 2nd gen LTE chips come in and make our dual core LTE phones 8mm thick, I will concede that the Bionic's tier has elapsed (or quad-core phones, or some other new tech inclusion.) 1.5 GHz DC snapdragon with a 4.5" screen is not, imo, a tier ahead of the bionic.

People complain that the bionic isn't as revolutionary as the Droid 1, and they would be right, but that isn't to say that the bionic is not revolutionary. thats like saying the droid one wasnt revolutionary because the droid incredible release was not that long afterwords.
I agree they drug the launch out more than they should have, but this IS the phone that starts the next tier.


TL;DR: I AM AWESOME

QFT! I think this is the very best description I have seen about the Bionic. It isn't last years tech by any stretch, more so that it is the first of this line of tech. Not to mention people will still call Bionic late to the game no matter how many times it is explained in soo many different ways that Targa was not supposed to be released until later this year. Bionic was only a name assigned to a phone that died in the middle of its development cycle and the name was recycled onto a new/different phone that was accelerated in its development cycle.

 

[hvalergir]

While I definitely see your point, I feel that way more because of it's original target release date than actual specs. It was supposed to be Motorola's contribution to the initial batch of LTE devices in late spring.

You can't force the progress of technical evolution. Plain and simple, regardless of people's feelings, dual core+LTE was evidently not ready to launch.

(also evidenced by the fact that, despite the delays, the bionic is still the first DC+LTE phone to launch. If this tech is so "already old" why didn't other manufacturers release one by now?)

 

[KillerG]

You can't force the progress of technical evolution. Plain and simple, regardless of people's feelings, dual core+LTE was evidently not ready to launch.

(also evidenced by the fact that, despite the delays, the bionic is still the first DC+LTE phone to launch. If this tech is so "already old" why didn't other manufacturers release one by now?)

Yeah, I've been trying to tell people this all along. This is the first dual core LTE phone, and the technology isn't going to be old until we see quad cores and the newer generation LTE radios, or maybe even something unexpected. I don't expect to see HD screens in the next few months, maybe by the end of the year, but it won't be a great device.

 

[AnGeLFaCe77]

My thoughts exactly! I checked out the Photon a couple days ago and liked it alot. I'm definitely excited for the Bionic more after playing with the Photon.

you can get more excite it because the bionic will have let better lens and sensors better blur and omap the photon will win on the design department we have to wait and see

 

[AnGeLFaCe77]

I dunno, look at it this way: most people compare phones based on their previous generation, as makes sense. When droid 2 came out they compared it to droid one, to determine if it was a large spec bump, or a moderate refresh. So look at last year, 1GHz phones where the new thing, then LTE came along and that took its place as the newest tech feature to have (checkered 4G reception aside). That could be considered the end of that tier. The next tier was dual core phones, starting with tegra 2 and ending up, as of now, with the OMAP and Exynos (SGSII being, imo, the culmination of that tier, unless it has LTE). The next logical iteration was adding LTE to these dual core phones, starting with the bionic. The bionic is starting this new tech generation of phones, it even has "qHD" (ignoring pentile for the moment). The next wave of phones coming late this fall, really are just minor tech bumps of this basic tech iteration. Faster processors (~20%) and larger screens, but no SIGNIFICANT technical iteration.

I argue that the Bionic isn't the best of the last tier, but the first of the new tier. From here on for a bit, LTE+ dual-core and some form of HD screen will be the formula, with smaller tech bumps here and there, but nothing HUGE until ICS, but then i argue the hardware wont be that much more impressive, as to be considered the next tier of phone. I consider the next tier to require something radically different, like the jump from 3G to LTE, or single core to dual core. When the 2nd gen LTE chips come in and make our dual core LTE phones 8mm thick, I will concede that the Bionic's tier has elapsed (or quad-core phones, or some other new tech inclusion.) 1.5 GHz DC snapdragon with a 4.5" screen is not, imo, a tier ahead of the bionic.

People complain that the bionic isn't as revolutionary as the Droid 1, and they would be right, but that isn't to say that the bionic is not revolutionary. thats like saying the droid one wasnt revolutionary because the droid incredible release was not that long afterwords.
I agree they drug the launch out more than they should have, but this IS the phone that starts the next tier.


TL;DR: I AM AWESOME


hehe its like saying the Beatles where not as revolutionary as Elvis

owww great post bro you set it all right there i disagree on one thing droid 1 revolutionized android because it was the one that came out even though the droid eris and incredible came out after people were having the fever of the droid 1 but if you think about it the droid x started the awesomeness into the 4.3 devices along with the evo 4g for sprint those 2 phones revolutionized the screen size and speed

 

[AnGeLFaCe77]

You can't force the progress of technical evolution. Plain and simple, regardless of people's feelings, dual core+LTE was evidently not ready to launch.

(also evidenced by the fact that, despite the delays, the bionic is still the first DC+LTE phone to launch. If this tech is so "already old" why didn't other manufacturers release one by now?)

could not agree more they were affraid of making the first let device

 

[mhdfj2]

I would rather wait for a phone than get it a little early and have problems with it.

 

[KillerG]

I would rather wait for a phone than get it a little early and have problems with it.

I think the problem here is to choose the best one. The earlier one could be better than any later ones. Bionic could be better than any other dual core LTE devices coming out any time soon.

 

[anon(49997)]

I think the problem here is to choose the best one. The earlier one could be better than any later ones. Bionic could be better than any other dual core LTE devices coming out any time soon.

Yeh, but I like to wait and read the first reports here and elsewhere and with that comes the first round of price drops. A member of Costco I will wait and see what they get in their stores.

Gonna be fun for sure.

 

[Geikamir]

I dunno, look at it this way: most people compare phones based on their previous generation, as makes sense. When droid 2 came out they compared it to droid one, to determine if it was a large spec bump, or a moderate refresh. So look at last year, 1GHz phones where the new thing, then LTE came along and that took its place as the newest tech feature to have (checkered 4G reception aside). That could be considered the end of that tier. The next tier was dual core phones, starting with tegra 2 and ending up, as of now, with the OMAP and Exynos (SGSII being, imo, the culmination of that tier, unless it has LTE). The next logical iteration was adding LTE to these dual core phones, starting with the bionic. The bionic is starting this new tech generation of phones, it even has "qHD" (ignoring pentile for the moment). The next wave of phones coming late this fall, really are just minor tech bumps of this basic tech iteration. Faster processors (~20%) and larger screens, but no SIGNIFICANT technical iteration.

I argue that the Bionic isn't the best of the last tier, but the first of the new tier. From here on for a bit, LTE+ dual-core and some form of HD screen will be the formula, with smaller tech bumps here and there, but nothing HUGE until ICS, but then i argue the hardware wont be that much more impressive, as to be considered the next tier of phone. I consider the next tier to require something radically different, like the jump from 3G to LTE, or single core to dual core. When the 2nd gen LTE chips come in and make our dual core LTE phones 8mm thick, I will concede that the Bionic's tier has elapsed (or quad-core phones, or some other new tech inclusion.) 1.5 GHz DC snapdragon with a 4.5" screen is not, imo, a tier ahead of the bionic.

People complain that the bionic isn't as revolutionary as the Droid 1, and they would be right, but that isn't to say that the bionic is not revolutionary. thats like saying the droid one wasnt revolutionary because the droid incredible release was not that long afterwords.
I agree they drug the launch out more than they should have, but this IS the phone that starts the next tier.


TL;DR: I AM AWESOME


hehe its like saying the Beatles where not as revolutionary as Elvis

Though I definitely understand your point, I see it differently.

Bionic could have been revolutionary if it came out early this year. It is practically considered 'expected tech' at this point. It went from being the top dog, to the runt. It can be the first dual core + LTE phone all day long, but in the next coming months its going to be shadowed by out performing phones for equal or lesser price (you never know).

This phone should have came out with the Atrix, then it would have been the talk of the town. To me it is the best of the last tier. Even though no phone combined dual-core and LTE, both have been available. All with the same basic restraints on what a phone can do/look like.

But with this next generation of phones we have several improvements that change the game a lot. We have much better screens, better organized batteries, and the chance of no capacitive buttons with all new innovation software. The new phones will be bigger (if you want), faster, thinner, and more energy efficient to handle the bump up in hardware.

This tier will begin soon and won't move to the next one until quad-core/2nd gen LTE, IMO.


The only thing this phone really even has going for it at this point that's innovative (see: 7 months ago) is the lap-dock, and unless it's leaps and bounds better than the Attrix version (it probably won't be) and/or is remarkablely cheaper, it's not going to hold on to many people's attention.

 

[irl Panda]

Though I definitely understand your point, I see it differently.

Bionic could have been revolutionary if it came out early this year. It is practically considered 'expected tech' at this point. It went from being the top dog, to the runt. It can be the first dual core + LTE phone all day long, but in the next coming months its going to be shadowed by out performing phones for equal or lesser price (you never know).

This phone should have came out with the Atrix, then it would have been the talk of the town. To me it is the best of the last tier. Even though no phone combined dual-core and LTE, both have been available. All with the same basic restraints on what a phone can do/look like.

But with this next generation of phones we have several improvements that change the game a lot. We have much better screens, better organized batteries, and the chance of no capacitive buttons with all new innovation software. The new phones will be bigger (if you want), faster, thinner, and more energy efficient to handle the bump up in hardware.

This tier will begin soon and won't move to the next one until quad-core/2nd gen LTE, IMO.


The only thing this phone really even has going for it at this point that's innovative (see: 7 months ago) is the lap-dock, and unless it's leaps and bounds better than the Attrix version (it probably won't be) and/or is remarkablely cheaper, it's not going to hold on to many people's attention.

The reason this thinking is flawed is because the tech wasn't ready yet. Had it been ready, you would have seen the Bionic release plus a ton of other dual-core/LTE handsets from other OEMs. If I used that logic then I could say that quad-core is going to be in tablets this year, so there is no reason for it to not be in phones. Any phone released with dual-core is outdated. We all know this is not the case. It will take more time to get quad-core in a form compatible for phones. People just seem to be impatient.

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[spectre1006]

could not agree more they were affraid of making the first let device

It's a double edged sword when it comes to being first. Look at the tbolt. First lte device but came out with a bunch of quirks but it sold well until people saw battery issues and how much energy lte drains.

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[DashShiron]

If anything, some recent developments have put the Bionic back at the top of my list. Fed up with my Droid, I bought an Incredible andit was the worst phone I've used in a looong time. Aside from HTC's awful build quality, the radio barely eked out one bar where my Droid had no problems. It fell out of my pocket the other day and fell a grand total of about 2 feet on the ground, bye bye LCD. I beat the ever-loving hell out of my OG and it's never broken, so I flashed it with the latest GPA build, primed kernal, and v6 supercharger and its like I have a new phone. Powerful hardware or not I'm avoiding the Vigor for sure, after handling the TB and Incredible 2, my opinion of their build quality has not changed at all. Going back to the Droid was like meeting an old friend again, so I can only hope that Moto keeps the build quality of the Bionic up to snuff.

 

[Asterdroid]

If anything, some recent developments have put the Bionic back at the top of my list. Fed up with my Droid, I bought an Incredible andit was the worst phone I've used in a looong time. Aside from HTC's awful build quality, the radio barely eked out one bar where my Droid had no problems. It fell out of my pocket the other day and fell a grand total of about 2 feet on the ground, bye bye LCD. I beat the ever-loving hell out of my OG and it's never broken, so I flashed it with the latest GPA build, primed kernal, and v6 supercharger and its like I have a new phone. Powerful hardware or not I'm avoiding the Vigor for sure, after handling the TB and Incredible 2, my opinion of their build quality has not changed at all. Going back to the Droid was like meeting an old friend again, so I can only hope that Moto keeps the build quality of the Bionic up to snuff.

What about Samsung?

 

[greydarrah]

I would rather wait for a phone than get it a little early and have problems with it.

You should do whatever makes you happy. But as with a number of "hot" phones released in the past, they often go into in extended periods of being out of stock. I can't recall the exact time frame, but I remember the Incredible being out for quite a while. It's like waiting for a new release all over again.

 

[DashShiron]

What about Samsung?

*Points up to profile*

Still waiting to hear more about the GSII, it really depends which comes out first unless there are some big problems with whichever one that is. Closer to the same date and I'd have to get a hands on to decide which one I want, I'm not making my decision based on internet hype.