FYI: Verizon, by law is not allowed to block tethering on 4G devices

[kentusmc]

Walk me through it. Seems a lil complicated.

I choose the Wireless telephone option, followed by billing and service and filled out the form and sent my complaint.

 

[FrankXS]

Sorry but... I think there are a bunch of people here who need to learn how to read English. There has been nothing posted here to prevent VZW from charging whatever they please for whatever service they please. Without payment, they have no obligation to provide any service. Tethering included.

I wish I was wrong, but I don't believe I am.

-Frank

 

[Air Force One]

That loophole isn't really a loophole, as was explained on howardforums

See, you're not getting it. Verizon can fight back in court and say whatever they want and that text gives them years of ability in court. Like I already said, Verizon may even lose in court(I don't believe they will)...but who gives a crap when it will take 10-15 years to get to the end of the case??

You and someone and HF can say whatever you want but the courts are the only ones that mater and they don't/won't say crap for a very long time. In the meantime Verizon WILL DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. Most people on forums worried about this issue want sanctioned free unlimited tethering right now, not 10 years from now.

You guys want to believe you found some golden ticket to free tethering, go for it. Maybe you believe in unicorns too.

I don't.

 

[Liberati0n]

You guys need to stop whining, there is no law. The FCC cannot create laws.

You guys need to learn something, crap like this is mainstay in the Federal Government. FCC will try to do something, and Verizon will challenge it and the courts will say it in plain English, the FCC cannot create laws.

 

[Verdes8891]

That statement proves nothing. It even says in there "subject to network management". Meaning, verizon only has to let you do what your plan says. Every single carrier is going to pull that one.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

Keep it civil.

 

[Air Force One]

Keep it civil.

It's usually customary to wait until someone is uncivil and then say to keep it civil. Nobody has attacked anyone here.

 

[Droid800]

Filing a complaint with the FCC right now!

FCC Consumer Complaints

Have fun wasting your time. (especially considering you don't own a damn 4G device, which is what's covered here)

 

[ben7337]

See, you're not getting it. Verizon can fight back in court and say whatever they want and that text gives them years of ability in court. Like I already said, Verizon may even lose in court(I don't believe they will)...but who gives a crap when it will take 10-15 years to get to the end of the case??

You and someone and HF can say whatever you want but the courts are the only ones that mater and they don't/won't say crap for a very long time. In the meantime Verizon WILL DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. Most people on forums worried about this issue want sanctioned free unlimited tethering right now, not 10 years from now.

You guys want to believe you found some golden ticket to free tethering, go for it. Maybe you believe in unicorns too.

I don't.

Really, you don't seem to grasp that verizon is in a contract with the fcc, this contract has terms, one of the terms is network management, it was the term you used that you claim they can use as a loophole, however the definition of network management is already fully and clearly defined, anyone can look at it and in 5 seconds see that they wouldn't last in court for more than a minute with that weak argument. Only in gray areas can they make claims, and that loophole is not a gray area, thus not a loophole, basic logic.

 

[Air Force One]

however the definition of network management is already fully and clearly defined.

in your opinion

unfortunately the only opinion that will matter will be a court's. Like I said, believe what you want..... meanwhile, Verizon has begun blocking tethering apps in the market....and will begin charging for tethering on the 15th on the TBolt. But hey, you have your text in the first post. Maybe if you copy it and put it under your pillow the tooth fairy will grant you free sanctioned tethering.

 

[tekhna]

in your opinion

unfortunately the only opinion that will matter will be a court's. Like I said, believe what you want..... meanwhile, Verizon has begun blocking tethering apps in the market....and will begin charging for tethering on the 15th on the TBolt. But hey, you have your text in the first post. Maybe if you copy it and put it under your pillow the tooth fairy will grant you free sanctioned tethering.

Why are you so quick to defend corporations lining their pockets with your money?
There's a pretty darn clear definition of reasonable network management there.

Let's think of it this way, if it'll help--the FCC sells licenses to spectrum with clauses. The clauses are there, built on the assumption that airwaves are a public good, and with the sale of a public good, like spectrum (or whatever, there are of course any number of public goods), certain rules should apply to protect the public for the use of their own spectrum. Verizon doesn't own the spectrum, they lease it from the public. So the way in which they get to use it is circumscribed by how the FCC understands the public good, and its best interests which in this case is laid out in the contract Verizon agreed to when they bought the spectrum. Make sense?

 

[OgreMkV]

This is a noob question and I really don't know the answer, but how do they know the difference between tethering and just phone use?

Say I download a movie from Amazon. What's the difference if I download it on the phone to watch it on the phone or just use the phone to download it to the computer?

 

[tekhna]

This is a noob question and I really don't know the answer, but how do they know the difference between tethering and just phone use?

Say I download a movie from Amazon. What's the difference if I download it on the phone to watch it on the phone or just use the phone to download it to the computer?

There isn't one, but there are those here who would desperately try to tell you it's different.

Edit: Your point is particularly acute given the dustup over whether the Thunderbolt was going to have Netflix or not. Verizon WANTS you to use that much bandwidth, evidently.

 

[Air Force One]

Why are you so quick to defend corporations lining their pockets with your money?
There's a pretty darn clear definition of reasonable network management there.

Let's think of it this way, if it'll help--the FCC sells licenses to spectrum with clauses. The clauses are there, built on the assumption that airwaves are a public good, and with the sale of a public good, like spectrum (or whatever, there are of course any number of public goods), certain rules should apply to protect the public for the use of their own spectrum. Verizon doesn't own the spectrum, they lease it from the public. So the way in which they get to use it is circumscribed by how the FCC understands the public good, and its best interests which in this case is laid out in the contract Verizon agreed to when they bought the spectrum. Make sense?

Dude I'm not defending anyone, I'm telling you how it is, and you're telling me how you want it to be.

You are interpreting the text in the first post, but the only interpretation is the one that any court might eventually make.

EVEN THEN it will be appealed! So not even any single judge's interpretation will matter, much less yours or mine.

What I keep saying, which some don't want to admit, is that Verizon is RIGHT NOW blocking free tethering apps, and is going to charge for tethering on the TBolt starting on the 15th. That is the only FACT right now.

The rest is smoke blowing.

I, just like everyone else here, would rejoice if Verizon announced free tethering on the TBolt.

And just for the record, this corporation(Verizon) is lining it's pocket with money that I freely give them under conditions I KNEW going in. I do not feel taken advantage of or ripped off in any way. In fact, between AT&T and Verizon I have tethered for 3 years at no charge, all the while they have had tethering plans I was supposed to be paying for, so if anything I have been ripping THEM off. Eventually they were going to crack down and we all knew that. I'm just not one of the ones crying about it. You want to save the world, file an FCC complaint...see how far you get...but I don't see why you have to get all pissy at those of us who think whole exercise is one of futility.

Don't forget: Verizon has more lobbyists in DC that you or I do. if you think anyone is going to order Verizon to give away free tethering you're not seeing clearly, and even if they do, Verizon will find a way around it.

 

[tekhna]

Dude I'm not defending anyone, I'm telling you how it is, and you're telling me how you want it to be.

You are interpreting the text in the first post, but the only interpretation is the one that any court might eventually make.

EVEN THEN it will be appealed! So not even any single judge's interpretation will matter, much less yours or mine.

What I keep saying, which some don't want to admit, is that Verizon is RIGHT NOW blocking free tethering apps, and is going to charge for tethering on the TBolt starting on the 15th. That is the only FACT right now.

The rest is smoke blowing.

I, just like everyone else here, would rejoice if Verizon announced free tethering on the TBolt.

And just for the record, this corporation(Verizon) is lining it's pocket with money that I freely give them under conditions I KNEW going in. I do not feel taken advantage of or ripped off in any way. In fact, between AT&T and Verizon I have tethered for 3 years at no charge, all the while they have had tethering plans I was supposed to be paying for, so if anything I have been ripping THEM off. Eventually they were going to crack down and we all knew that. I'm just not one of the ones crying about it. You want to save the world, file an FCC complaint...see how far you get...but I don't see why you have to get all pissy at those of us who think whole exercise is one of futility.

Don't forget: Verizon has more lobbyists in DC that you or I do. if you think anyone is going to order Verizon to give away free tethering you're not seeing clearly, and even if they do, Verizon will find a way around it.

Alright, you're totally right there--I agree. But I think this is a huge start for us, especially given how bitterly Verizon fought it from the getgo.

 

[Air Force One]

Alright, you're totally right there--I agree. But I think this is a huge start for us, especially given how bitterly Verizon fought it from the getgo.

Hey man I hope you're right in the end. I just am a glass half empty kind of person, and I don't see anything changing any time soon.

 

[oletheos]

This is a noob question and I really don't know the answer, but how do they know the difference between tethering and just phone use?

Say I download a movie from Amazon. What's the difference if I download it on the phone to watch it on the phone or just use the phone to download it to the computer?

some of that stuff they can see just by what browser your using. say your tethering your mac to your phone and all the requests come from safari or firefox to full feature rich site and not mobile versions. it's not that hard to track that stuff and see whats going on.

 

[Raiden619]

some of that stuff they can see just by what browser your using. say your tethering your mac to your phone and all the requests come from safari or firefox to full feature rich site and not mobile versions. it's not that hard to track that stuff and see whats going on.

You can use the full feature rich site on your phone as well

 

[dubge]

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[danperde]

some of that stuff they can see just by what browser your using. say your tethering your mac to your phone and all the requests come from safari or firefox to full feature rich site and not mobile versions. it's not that hard to track that stuff and see whats going on.

Yes, you can use full html sites on your Android. And to download movies and stuff you don't need full sites in the first place. I tether on my Nook. I don't get all the rage in this thread, we all know that Verizon and the others are doing this for money. The tethering apps are not illegal, if they were, the first to be in trouble would be the devs. Just download the app and sideload, they can't control what you have on your phone and how you use it. If you think that by blocking tethering apps Verizon is in wrong, you don't have to fear by using one.