G2: Good, Bad and Ugly

[Rule9]

I don't really care about them either way but you guys ruin pretty much every new phone forum and topic that isn't your precious Galaxy by throwing huge drama filled hissy fits over SD cards. Seriously you guys are worse than iPhone fanboys. Not a little worse either. A LOT worse. Half of you sound like you're 14 when it comes to reasoning and logic. It almost makes me want to hope Samsung switches over to Tizen so we can weed you out of here.

 

[darkestred]

I don't really care about them either way but you guys ruin pretty much every new phone forum and topic that isn't your precious Galaxy by throwing huge drama filled hissy fits over SD cards. Seriously you guys are worse than iPhone fanboys. Not a little worse either. A LOT worse. Half of you sound like you're 14 when it comes to reasoning and logic. It almost makes me want to hope Samsung switches over to Tizen so we can weed you out of here.

You nailed it on the head. I continue to read these forums in hopes that i see more positive reviews or more attention. Probably still getting this phone, but will wait until its been out and about. If its not silly things like icons it's something else; I need to have 500 gigs so i can store 100,000 songs on there.

There is a simple solution for everything, such as:

• Juicepaks over extra batteries
• Quality over quantity, don't need to store everything on your phone, especially when most of it will be forgotten
• Get an OTG cable if you need more storage. I know but taking that extra 5 seconds will kill most people. Just not convenient.
• Vanilla Android (my favorite). I have yet to see a phone lag to vendor skins and yes adding CM Modded roms does give it a more liquid feel. Last time i checked all versions of android have a homescreen, have an app draw and run the apps the same way. I laughed when i saw someone refusing to add a launcher to make the phone more to their tastes. The F?

But hey, rip this apart. I'm just giving solutions. Simple ones at that.

 

[Haalcyon]

Errr, if you want a phone that offers micro SD storage, get one, they're not hard to come by. If you want a phone without said expansion get one, there's choices there too. If there's ever a day when there's no expandable storage I think there will be more on-board storage than a expandable solution would have offered anyways.

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[Scott7217]

Well, I live off the grid and too far out in the country to have Internet so I guess I qualify. I use about 10g of 3G and 4G per month. I use solar power and a generator. I come to town and bring my batteries and Ankar juice packs in to charge them at restaurants. I bought about 6 of the cheap phone batteries from China. Between the juice packs and the batteries I aways have power stored up to run the phone. I pay Sprint about $90 per month. I want a phone with the most storage I can get, SD or otherwise.

Yes, you definitely qualify as a power user!

May I ask what phone you are currently using? Also, would the LG G2 satisfy your needs if it were available on Sprint? The G2 comes with a 3000 mAh battery and up to 32 GB of storage.

 

[Scott7217]

Google is not banning micro SD cards, they are just not supporting them. There's a pretty huge difference there. If Samsung takes Google's code and modifies it, no one cares. They're allowed to do that, it's open source and diversity is encouraged. The debate is really about the trade off between effort to include and sales generated or lost by the inclusion or exclusion that one feature. If at the end of the day .01% of the population makes their purchase decision on that one feature alone...

My comment was directed towards KentuckyHouse's post, which seemed to imply that Google and Samsung have an adversarial relationship when it comes to micro SD cards.

I would agree that Android encourages diversity. The Google Play edition of the Samsung Galaxy S4 has a micro SD card slot. As far as I'm concerned, that's proof enough that Google has nothing against removable storage.

I'm not sure what percentage of the population bases their purchase decision solely on the presence or absence of a micro SD card slot, but I do think it's one significant factor among many. Perhaps if people are comparing the LG G2 with another phone, micro SD (or lack thereof) will be the tie breaker.

 

[Scott7217]

Yes, you definitely qualify as a power user!

May I ask what phone you are currently using? Also, would the LG G2 satisfy your needs if it were available on Sprint? The G2 comes with a 3000 mAh battery and up to 32 GB of storage.

Whoops! I just realized that you said that you were using an original EVO 4G on Sprint in a previous post! My bad! :-[

I remember when I saw that phone for the first time in person. I thought the screen was huge! Things have changed a lot since then. The LG G2 will swallow that phone whole!

 

[Scott7217]

This morning I watched an unboxing of the South Korean variant of the G2. Guess what it's got? Yep, a removable battery AND SD support! It does carry a slightly smaller battery (around 2600 mAh), but here's the kicker...it comes with 2 batteries AND an external charger for the spare!

Where did you see this unboxing? I'd like to know more about this South Korean variant of the LG G2.

I guess LG feels that South Korea is the only place that can appreciate removable batteries and micro SD cards.

 

[return_0]

Exactly!

Not only that I'll add it's a security risk. Your granting the government and the provider access to your data.what's worse is I'd the provider security is cracked , you data is comprised.

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It's extremely unlikely for such a situation to happen. Meanwhile, microSD cards get corrupted and lose data far more often. And can't your data get accessed if your phone is stolen or if you lose your microSD card and someone else finds it?

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[KentuckyHouse]

Where did you see this unboxing? I'd like to know more about this South Korean variant of the LG G2.

I guess LG feels that South Korea is the only place that can appreciate removable batteries and micro SD cards.

Let me see if I can find the link. Give me a few minutes.

Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjZrUVB76xU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[JHBThree]

Where did you see this unboxing? I'd like to know more about this South Korean variant of the LG G2.

I guess LG feels that South Korea is the only place that can appreciate removable batteries and micro SD cards.

Or, the other markets would appreciate a battery with 15% more capacity more than an SD slot. The model with the SD card only has a 2600 mah battery.

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[kikaha]

of my last 2 sd cards, one being the 32 gb I bought for my razr M.. both have failed. I bought my 32gb direct from sandisk.

so eat it.

The fact that you have had 2 cards fail proves absolutely nothing.
You have not ruled out used error; all you have said is that you've had two cards fail.
I think the 8 cards that I use on a regular basis which are still working perfectly speak much more loudly than you two failed cards.

 

[kikaha]

Or, the other markets would appreciate a battery with 15% more capacity more than an SD slot. The model with the SD card only has a 2600 mah battery.

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The more I think about it the more I agree.
Give me that bigger battery & wonderful screen. I'm gonna try to live SD card free.
Maybe I'll try something different and not put ANY music on this phone when I get it.
Nothing but apps & games.

 

[Haalcyon]

Living SD card-free should be easy as long as you have all the storage you want.

Sent from my Note 8.0 LTE

 

[JHBThree]

The fact that you have had 2 cards fail proves absolutely nothing.
You have not ruled out used error; all you have said is that you've had two cards fail.
I think the 8 cards that I use on a regular basis which are still working perfectly speak much more loudly than you two failed cards.

The dozens and dozens of posts here and elsewhere about cards failing, specifically in devices made by one of the largest android OEMs, speaks more loudly than your 8 cards. (See what I did there?)

Its all about implementation. Frankly, because android doesn't natively support SD the way that is necessary for their purpose means that including SD cards just isn't a good idea unless the implementation is bulletproof.

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[kikaha]

The dozens and dozens of posts here and elsewhere about cards failing, specifically in devices made by one of the largest android OEMs, speaks more loudly than your 8 cards. (See what I did there?)

Its all about implementation. Frankly, because android doesn't natively support SD the way that is necessary for their purpose means that including SD cards just isn't a good idea unless the implementation is bulletproof.

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So by your logic if I drive a car into a wall and the car is damaged then the car is the problem and all cars should be abolished. It doesn't matter that being driven into a wall is not how the car is intended to be used in the first place.
Oh wait. Let me guess.
You don't have a car. Cars are not foolproof. They fail sometimes too.

Just because people are having problems with SD cards it does not automatically mean that the problem is the SD card format.
All you are reading about is the people who are having problems with their SD cards; you are not taking into consideration the thousands of people who have had absolutely zero
problems with their cards.

You also still have not demonstrated or proved that the people having problems with their cards are not having these problems because of user error.

You also STILL have not explained how I can have had so many card that have not died become corrupted or caused me any other types of problems what so ever.
If SD cards are so terrible then how can I possibly have had so may cards that have worked perfectly for YEARS.

Now let me get this straight:
"dozens and dozens" of threads and posts about SD cards going bad is a more compelling argument and more compelling proof than the thousands of people who have no problems.
If SD cards are so terrible and unreliable then why do any of them work properly.

 

[kikaha]

Living SD card-free should be easy as long as you have all the storage you want.

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I'm gonna quit worrying about it. Like others have said it would be kinda silly to not get the phone just because of it not having a microSD card slot.
I like pretty much every thing else about it.
I just have to wait untill 5 years after the crack of doom for Verizon to decide to carry it.

 

[Aquila]

You also STILL have not explained how I can have had so many card that have not died become corrupted or caused me any other types of problems what so ever.
If SD cards are so terrible then how can I possibly have had so may cards that have worked perfectly for YEARS.

Anecdotal variance is not usually comparable to statistical norms. If there is a fail rate of 5%, purchasing 15 in a row and having no issues is not abnormal, any more than buying 5 in a row and having all 5 fail is representative of the actual failure rate. SD cards have only been non-supported for about two years, and incrementally less so. This lack of base support causes OEM's to use their own code to enable the devices, etc. which is supposedly increasing the failure rate. Beginning with the Galaxy S2, every Samsung flagship device with an SD card has threads about SD cards being destroyed, most of which begin with, "it was working yesterday, now it's not".

The reason for the variance between some working and others not working has already been touched on, but it's basically a very cheap NAND memory chip made en masse and utilized by a dirty hack by software engineers that do not prioritize it's reliability, only its presence and semblance of usability on the day the device is sold.

No one knows what the exact failure rates are because the thousands of people who don't have issues are not posting, "I don't have issues". Just like every other bug report... it's rare to see, "everything is well, no complaints, thanks" be the content of an entire thread. What is known is that the failure rate spans devices, card manufacturers, card sizes, format technique, etc. and that the rate is staggering compared to the rate of say, "I picked up my phone and it had completed a factory reset itself". That thread just doesn't happen.

The real risk is not the usage of the cards, or bugs caused by that usage, but those who use that medium exclusively and have no other backups of their photos, etc. Not only is their niche support rapidly disappearing, but should anything go wrong, all of those memories, purchased content, etc. are literally gone... as opposed to a hybrid, cloud or other redundant backup system.

 

[JHBThree]

So by your logic if I drive a car into a wall and the car is damaged then the car is the problem and all cars should be abolished. It doesn't matter that being driven into a wall is not how the car is intended to be used in the first place.
Oh wait. Let me guess.
You don't have a car. Cars are not foolproof. They fail sometimes too.

Just because people are having problems with SD cards it does not automatically mean that the problem is the SD card format.
All you are reading about is the people who are having problems with their SD cards; you are not taking into consideration the thousands of people who have had absolutely zero
problems with their cards.

You also still have not demonstrated or proved that the people having problems with their cards are not having these problems because of user error.

You also STILL have not explained how I can have had so many card that have not died become corrupted or caused me any other types of problems what so ever.
If SD cards are so terrible then how can I possibly have had so may cards that have worked perfectly for YEARS.

Now let me get this straight:
"dozens and dozens" of threads and posts about SD cards going bad is a more compelling argument and more compelling proof than the thousands of people who have no problems.
If SD cards are so terrible and unreliable then why do any of them work properly.

You seem to have a nasty habit of generalizing opinions. Sd cards are not by themselves bad. They are bad, however, when used in a janky implementation like the one Samsung uses. As I said earlier, adding in sd card support is not a bad thing, but these oems have to do it in a bulletproof way. As has been demonstrated by the consistent issues users have, Samsung has not done so.

You attempt to blame the user, but ignore common sense. If a bunch of different users are all having the card fail in the exact same way, and all have the same hardware, the common sense (and logical answer) is that there is an issue with the hardware. Point blank, period.

 

[Scott7217]

As I said earlier, adding in sd card support is not a bad thing, but these oems have to do it in a bulletproof way. As has been demonstrated by the consistent issues users have, Samsung has not done so.

I have heard that LG is offering a G2 with micro SD support in a model exclusive to South Korea. Perhaps this is the bulletproof way that people are looking for. At the very least, it's not made by Samsung.

 

[JHBThree]

I have heard that LG is offering a G2 with micro SD support in a model exclusive to South Korea. Perhaps this is the bulletproof way that people are looking for. At the very least, it's not made by Samsung.

Thats not what I was saying. The software/hardware have to be bulletproof. So far, no android OEM has really gotten it right.

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