Galaxy S5: 699/799? Forget it

[Farish]

Google was hemorrhaging money quarter by quarter with the nexus 5?

I agree with you on motorola, but motorola doesn't sell TVs and laptops or anything else like Samsung. And now Motorola's sold off.

Last I saw, the N5 was sold out after 6 hours and was backorder for 1 or 2 months.

Google subsidizes the Nexus 5 at about 100 dollars a phone. It is why TMobile, Best Buy etc sell it at a much higher price.

Tmobile stated they were selling the phone at their cost which is 450 dollars.

So if Google's sells 1 million Nexus 5 a quarter, then yes they are losing 100 millions a quarter.

 

[Soundtrack to Chaos]

Google was hemorrhaging money quarter by quarter with the nexus 5?

I agree with you on motorola, but motorola doesn't sell TVs and laptops or anything else like Samsung. And now Motorola's sold off.

Last I saw, the N5 was sold out after 6 hours and was backorder for 1 or 2 months.

Didn't the GS4 and 2 sell 40 mill compared to the GS3 which sold 60 mill?

I'm don't have a degree in economics, but I think there's a certain word for that.

Yea it sold out, but if you compare the total sales for that device to the s4 or s3 , you would see that they are in two different ballparks


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[SmithlandCart]

Yep its true Google make next to nothing off the that phone but hey they can afford to pull that off

Google loses money on the nexi. Motorola - a Google company - lost money on the Moto X's they sold for $330. Only Google can afford to do this.

 

[A895]

Google was hemorrhaging money quarter by quarter with the nexus 5?

I agree with you on motorola, but motorola doesn't sell TVs and laptops or anything else like Samsung. And now Motorola's sold off.

Last I saw, the N5 was sold out after 6 hours and was backorder for 1 or 2 months.

Didn't the GS4 and 2 sell 40 mill compared to the GS3 which sold 60 mill?

I'm don't have a degree in economics, but I think there's a certain word for that.

Pray tell what that word is. If what you say is true (60 million s3s sold) that means there are millions of people looking at the GS5 for an upgrade this April, when it becomes available. Something tells me the GS5 is going to be one of Samsung biggest sellers. Also, to clarify, the GS4 sold 40 million alone last year. The nexus is a perfect example of having a low stock of an item and it being sold out which increases the demand for the item. It being out of stock does not mean anything if they only had 100,000 units ready to sell and then sell out of them in what you said "6 hours".

 

[Soundtrack to Chaos]

I agree with one of the admins here would posted on the first page.

There really aren't any "incredible features" over a N5 to justify its kind of price. Snapdragon 801 is hardly an improvement than an 800.

You aren't paying for the specs,your paying for the brand


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[monsieurms]

Now, this is a thread I can groove to.

The prices are ridiculous in a certain sense. I think we've discussed how tech has matured. The pace of innovation has slowed.

Usually, what that means next is that the prices start to drop and amazing innovations become commonplace and more affordable. I'm still waiting for that stage. We haven't quite gotten there yet.

 

[Farish]

Now, this is a thread I can groove to.

The prices are ridiculous in a certain sense. I think we've discussed how tech has matured. The pace of innovation has slowed.

Usually, what that means next is that the prices start to drop and amazing innovations become commonplace and more affordable. I'm still waiting for that stage. We haven't quite gotten there yet.

Has nothing to do with innovation. It has to do with market saturation. I don't know about Europe but we haven't hit that yet in the United States.

Verizon for example has about a 70 percent smartphone user base. That still means between 30-35 million customers aren't on smartphones.

It is just like computers first started. In 1996 the computer I wanted for myself was about 2000 (close to 3000 in today dollars). Today with a 99 percent market saturation, I can buy a cheap computer for 300-400.

One demand drops off and people start to hold onto their phones for 3-4 years like personal computers, then we will see retail price drops.

 

[Bigballer]

Has nothing to do with innovation. It has to do with market saturation. I don't know about Europe but we haven't hit that yet in the United States.

Verizon for example has about a 70 percent smartphone user base. That still means between 30-35 million customers aren't on smartphones.

It is just like computers first started. In 1996 the computer I wanted for myself was about 2000 (close to 3000 in today dollars). Today with a 99 percent market saturation, I can buy a cheap computer for 300-400.

One demand drops off and people start to hold onto their phones for 3-4 years like personal computers, then we will see retail price drops.

Yeah...only problem is lack of updates. Name one phone that still gets updates 3-4 years? (not iphone)

 

[Farish]

Yeah...only problem is lack of updates. Name one phone that still gets updates 3-4 years? (not iphone)

Most people don't care about updates as long as the phone is working.

Majority of users are only concern with Facebook, Email, Text, Web & Camera. Not what flavor of Android is on their phone.

Windows XP is still on 40 percent of the computers in the World.

The most used Android operating system is 4.1.X with 35 percent.

Number 2 is still Gingerbread.

 

[Soundtrack to Chaos]

Most people don't care about updates as long as the phone is working.

Majority of users are only concern with Facebook, Email, Text, Web & Camera. Not what flavor of Android is on their phone.

Windows XP is still on 40 percent of the computers in the World.

The most used Android operating system is 4.1.X with 35 percent.

Number 2 is still Gingerbread.

Yea, I don't even think that the majority of the market updates for new specs or anything. They just update because they had the same thing for two years and other new devices are out that may have 1-2 new features

 

[Bigballer]

Most people don't care about updates as long as the phone is working.

Majority of users are only concern with Facebook, Email, Text, Web & Camera. Not what flavor of Android is on their phone.

Windows XP is still on 40 percent of the computers in the World.

The most used Android operating system is 4.1.X with 35 percent.

Number 2 is still Gingerbread.

Only problem is how many reports have we had carrier updates that "bricked" a phone

Or

we had updates where we were better off without the update persay

 

[Raptor007]

So how did the OP arrive these proposed price points, I have yet to read anywhere what the released price or retail prices would be. Based on the 32GB GN3 at $699 on Verizon and $724.99 on AT&T (why is it $25 more on AT&T?) I would peg the S5 32GB at $699 that would see realistic. Adding a HR monitor and figerprint sensor is Samsung's choice and jacking the price point up is not going to fly. They have also stated it would sell for less than the previous Galaxy S phones so there you have it.

 

[jerrykur]

I think one thing to remember is that $600 or so is a great price for an off contract phone in market the s5 is targeting. The competition, the iPhone 5s and soon iPhone 6, sell for at least that much and people wait in lines to pick one up.

 

[Raptor007]

Exactly, the iphone at 16GB $649 and 32GB $749 so do you want to ***** how Samsung is ripping us off, I didn't think so. We get a swappable battery, HD screen, microSD slot and you don't with CrApple.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: 699/799? Forget it

You would think if the N5 in the picture it owuld drive down the cost of smartphones

We have a nice discussion going on in the Nexus 5 forum that focuses on its price and the possible effect on the mobile phone industry:

The Nexus 5's Price (link)

 

[Scott7217]

Although the N5 isn't the best phone with the best specs, it is the best phone for a broke college student like me and I wish the samsung galaxy series followed a similar notion of cheap budget minded phones, that have the specs where it counts.

So, does the Nexus 5 meet all your needs? If it does, then I think you can stop looking and simply buy a Nexus 5. I would only worry about the Samsung Galaxy S5 if there was something that the S5 provides that the Nexus 5 does not.

In fact, I think Google should tour colleges and hold workshops for the Nexus 5. For example, they could explain to students that a "free" phone on a 2-year contract isn't really free. It's just subsidized, and the cell phone companies eventually get their money back one way or another. They could also talk about the benefits of an unlocked, unbranded phone. What if you want to study abroad? A Nexus 5 probably has all the GSM bands that you would need for travel outside of the US. Just pop in a local SIM card and you're good to go.

I think Google benefits because if they get students hooked on Nexus phones early, they are more likely to use them after they graduate and start working.

 

[Soundtrack to Chaos]

Exactly, the iphone at 16GB $649 and 32GB $749 so do you want to ***** how Samsung is ripping us off, I didn't think so. We get a swappable battery, HD screen, microSD slot and you don't with CrApple.

Don't know what's up with all the apple hate, but they provide you am OS that you can't get from other manufacturers, a great camera, great design, and at least everyone get updates at the same time, and not whenever the carriers decide to let you have the latest software, lol.

 

[Soundtrack to Chaos]

So, does the Nexus 5 meet all your needs? If it does, then I think you can stop looking and simply buy a Nexus 5. I would only worry about the Samsung Galaxy S5 if there was something that the S5 provides that the Nexus 5 does not.

In fact, I think Google should tour colleges and hold workshops for the Nexus 5. For example, they could explain to students that a "free" phone on a 2-year contract isn't really free. It's just subsidized, and the cell phone companies eventually get their money back one way or another. They could also talk about the benefits of an unlocked, unbranded phone. What if you want to study abroad? A Nexus 5 probably has all the GSM bands that you would need for travel outside of the US. Just pop in a local SIM card and you're good to go.

I think Google benefits because if they get students hooked on Nexus phones early, they are more likely to use them after they graduate and start working.

No one wants a Nexus, especially not college students. I think it's obvious by the sales that the general public could give two craps about it, lol, so I know that there's nothing they can do to target youngsters and get them to buy in to that phone. If it's not a galaxy or an iPhone, kids don't want it.

And a phone with no special features isn't exactly an attractive option to most people

 

[Raptor007]

Don't know what's up with all the apple hate, but they provide you am OS that you can't get from other manufacturers, a great camera, great design, and at least everyone get updates at the same time, and not whenever the carriers decide to let you have the latest software, lol.

I have owned the iPhone 4, 4s, 5 and 5s, iPad 1, 2, 3,4 and ipad Air and also during that time I have owned countless Android devices (far too many to actually list) its not hate on my end its a strong opinion and critique based on the company itself, its business practices which are borderline predatory and the fact that they make a vanilla and at times boring device/OS. Its great and shiny to begin with (for me anyways) then I am quickly reminded why I like Android and sell it for a profit and go back hoping the next round would be better, it hasn't. I have spent a significant amount of money over the past 10-15 years on Apple products, but I also hold them to a very high standard and honestly they do not always live up to it.

 

[Soundtrack to Chaos]

I have owned the iPhone 4, 4s, 5 and 5s, iPad 1, 2, 3,4 and ipad Air and also during that time I have owned countless Android devices (far too many to actually list) its not hate on my end its a strong opinion and critique based on the company itself, its business practices which are borderline predatory and the fact that they make a vanilla and at times boring device/OS. Its great and shiny to begin with (for me anyways) then I am quickly reminded why I like Android and sell it for a profit and go back hoping the next round would be better, it hasn't. I have spent a significant amount of money over the past 10-15 years on Apple products, but I also hold them to a very high standard and honestly they do not always live up to it.

Business practices shouldn't affect your view on a product. Business are in business to make money, if you were in that same position and in the right frame of mind, you would do the same thing they are doing.