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[Nerf72]

My comments about the specs were in response to your question - why do a multitasking comparison?

My point is, why not? You seemed to explain why the iPhone is faster. Like is said, does it matter if it's not using Android's multitasking method? It's still faster, and therefore is see little reason to use any other way. App switiching and multitasking are often used interchangeably and/or incorrectly. The app switching is what is being compared here, and the iPhone is actually faster, apparently.

As far as value, you said that the iPhone should he even faster in comparison to the One, just because it costs more. I don't see why. The iPhone is overpriced (IMO), but speed and performance isn't the only thing it offers only the One, and isn't the only thing that is meant to justify a higher price point.

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Well no, lets stop going off tangent, ignoring the point of a discussion you don't like and rail-roading the point you do (at this point i've lost track of what you are tying to say tbh).

Obviously ( and you know this i'm sure hence my ribbing of you debating rather than discussing the issues) on switching apps on a mobile phone, you are only looking at one interface at a time, thus (obviously) what happens to the app when you switch is important. Ios doesn't really do proper multi-tasking regardless of what you say, whilst android actually does.
so in switching apps, you are wether you like it or not (on the android anyway) multitasking. (hence the screen on the iphone which said "welcome back" because the app had to restart, unlike the androids who just ran it in the background.


Regarding your last comment. My issue with price etc is because i am taking the video post as a reply to my comment erlier that going to the I6 from the M& would mostly be "meh" (for me). Again, i'm sure you are aware of this (you don't just dive into threads guns blazing without reading some of the posts do you?) so you can forgive me if (again) i think you are simply debating for its own sake rather than discussing the points as per above

 

[Nerf72]

You don't even know iOS that well. IOS 7 does multitask in the backround.

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This simplest of googling gives this:

Android has always supported unfettered PC-style multitasking. This is more flexible than the app switching found in iOS 7. However, it also means you have to be more vigilent as resource hungry apps can sap the battery.

Read more: Android KitKat 4.4 vs Apple iOS 7 head-to-head review | 6 | IT PRO

So yea, the iphone "multi-tasks"

I can run for a bus but it doesn't make me an athlete

 

[TomsAndroid]

Well no, lets stop going off tangent, ignoring the point of a discussion you don't like and rail-roading the point you do (at this point i've lost track of what you are tying to say tbh).

Obviously ( and you know this i'm sure hence my ribbing of you debating rather than discussing the issues) on switching apps on a mobile phone, you are only looking at one interface at a time, thus (obviously) what happens to the app when you switch is important. Ios doesn't really do proper multi-tasking regardless of what you say, whilst android actually does.
so in switching apps, you are wether you like it or not (on the android anyway) multitasking. (hence the screen on the iphone which said "welcome back" because the app had to restart, unlike the androids who just ran it in the background.


Regarding your last comment. My issue with price etc is because i am taking the video post as a reply to my comment erlier that going to the I6 from the M& would mostly be "meh" (for me). Again, i'm sure you are aware of this (you don't just dive into threads guns blazing without reading some of the posts do you?) so you can forgive me if (again) i think you are simply debating for its own sake rather than discussing the points as per above

Ok, ok...which point was ignoring? I certainly wasn't doing it intentionally, if I even was. Sorry that you can't follow. I don't believe what I'm saying is TOO unclear, but I'm pretty bad at explaining, and I don't ever proofread

I think the refreshing in iOS is due to a lack of RAM, rather than how it "multitasks". The iPhone usually freezes the apps, so when you switch back it's right as you left it. When you see a loading screen again, that means that it's been pushed out of the memory, most likely due to a lack of RAM. What the speed test showed was that even with reloading many apps, the iPhone still got back to the task faster. This is why I said that it doesn't matter what it's doing in the background - this is what matters.

Also, as the tester said, the S5 had to reload basically every apps, hence why it took particularly long on the second run. So, not all Android devices are as you describe.

Just for your information, seeing as you seem to care, I have been following this thread. And I did see that post. I didn't realise the video was a response to you, and I'm sorry for missing that if it was. Still, my point stands. The test demonstrates just one reason why the iPhone isn't so "meh".


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[Nerf72]

Fair points.

I don't think the iphone is "meh" (far from it) but its not going to be the second coming either. I'd really like to see some objectivity and reasoning with the Iphone/Android discussions that abound ( thats not going to happen is it? lol) especially from reviewers who i think for the most part do a terrible job of appraising the technology of phones.

The take-away from the video ( as i see) is that the two platforms are reasonably comparable and that Samsung are far behind the curve in OS and (imho) design.

Its commendable just how well HTC do given the disparity in numbers of units made

 

[anon5664829]

Fair points.

I don't think the iphone is "meh" (far from it) but its not going to be the second coming either. I'd really like to see some objectivity and reasoning with the Iphone/Android discussions that abound ( thats not going to happen is it? lol) especially from reviewers who i think for the most part do a terrible job of appraising the technology of phones.

The take-away from the video ( as i see) is that the two platforms are reasonably comparable and that Samsung are far behind the curve in OS and (imho) design.

Its commendable just how well HTC do given the disparity in numbers of units made

HTC is awesome.

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[TomsAndroid]

Fair points.

I don't think the iphone is "meh" (far from it) but its not going to be the second coming either. I'd really like to see some objectivity and reasoning with the Iphone/Android discussions that abound ( thats not going to happen is it? lol) especially from reviewers who i think for the most part do a terrible job of appraising the technology of phones.

The take-away from the video ( as i see) is that the two platforms are reasonably comparable and that Samsung are far behind the curve in OS and (imho) design.

Its commendable just how well HTC do given the disparity in numbers of units made

I think that's a fairly accurate take away

And yeah, the 6 is nothing particularly special. Nor is it a huge change for Apple. It did enough to warrant me buying it, but just. I'll definitely miss my One. I really wish Apple could've done a few little things, to make me happier with it. Of course that will come in the 'S' model

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[JeffDenver]

2012 Specs and 1gb RAM vs GS5 and HTC One M8 in multitask shootout.

iPhone 6 vs. Galaxy S5 vs. HTC One (M8) Speed Test - YouTube

And now, the Democratic response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoSQxHEETIs

The Nexus 5 is a year older than the phone it is competing with in this video.

Your video basically proves how awful skins are and how much they impact performance. Not how much better iOS is.

 

[JeffDenver]

And the point of the multitask test with respect to the Iphone 6 is what exactly?

Android is true multi-tasking against the IOS "app freeze" so whilst the Iphone is doing one task at a time, the Androids are running the others in the background.
Also, the Android(s) are pushing 1080p vs the 720p of the iphone and finally, the androids are 32bit vs the 64 bit iphone.
The iphone is also some 6 months newer (not inconsiderable in todays fast track development)

How dare you introduce logic into a discussion like this.

 

[TomsAndroid]

And now, the Democratic response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoSQxHEETIs

The Nexus 5 is a year older than the phone it is competing with in this video.

Your video basically proves how awful skins are and how much they impact performance. Not how much better iOS is.

Nexus devices definitely fly along. The N6 should be insanely fast. It's just unfortunate that a manufacturer like Samsung has to include a skin that does affect the performance so much. The S5 would be so much better if it matched the Nexus 5/iPhone 6/M8 in performance. Those three devices (and possibly others) show what every phone should be in this regard


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[JeffDenver]

Nexus devices definitely fly along. The N6 should be insanely fast. It's just unfortunate that a manufacturer like Samsung has to include a skin that does affect the performance so much. The S5 would be so much better if it matched the Nexus 5/iPhone 6/M8 in performance. Those three devices (and possibly others) show what every phone should be in this regard

It would still have that hardware button. There are some habits samsung is never going to let go of...The hardware home button and touchwiz are two of them. And both are going to impact their products in a bad way.

 

[anon5664829]

It would still have that hardware button. There are some habits samsung is never going to let go of...The hardware home button and touchwiz are two of them. And both are going to impact their products in a bad way.

It is unfortunate. Samsung had a beast of a phone with the Note 4. Let's see what Shamu brings us.

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[TomsAndroid]

It would still have that hardware button. There are some habits samsung is never going to let go of...The hardware home button and touchwiz are two of them. And both are going to impact their products in a bad way.

That's true. The only device where I don't mind the hardware Button is on the iPhone. It's such high quality, and TouchID is implemented so well. It's also very responsive. But one day, Apple may have to change their design. I'd be interested to see how they do.

Touchwiz is really the main problem. And yeah, they're not changing that any time soon. They just need to lighten it up....like a lot. It's got some great features, but they're far and few between all of the gimmicks and try-hard software features scattered about their phones.

Why do you dislike the hardware button?


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[JeffDenver]

Why do you dislike the hardware button?

It slows down navigation a lot. I have used phones with both...soft-key navigation is way faster IMO.

Soft-keys can also adapt to the orientation so they are persistent. And there are no mechanical parts to break.

 

[TomsAndroid]

It slows down navigation a lot. I have used phones with both...soft-key navigation is way faster IMO.

Soft-keys can also adapt to the orientation so they are persistent. And there are no mechanical parts to break.

On the iPhone, don't notice it so much, but yeah, I can definitely notice a delay with some Samsung phones.

Soft keys are great now. Hiding during full screen content, easy to get back, consign orientation etc. I used to dislike them, but I appreciate them now.

No mechanical parts is always a win

I certainly won't mind on my iPhone, only because I'm keen for Touch ID, and the iPhone's buttons feel like great quality.


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[JeffDenver]

Soft keys are great now. Hiding during full screen content, easy to get back, consign orientation etc. I used to dislike them, but I appreciate them now.

The softkeys used to take up screen real estate, but that is no longer an issue. Now 1080p is normal and phones are 5" or bigger.

I certainly won't mind on my iPhone, only because I'm keen for Touch ID, and the iPhone's buttons feel like great quality.

Anything that I have to physically press, no matter how good the quality, feels clunky and old to me now. Like rolling up windows with a handle in an old car after being used to power windows in a new car. I don't think I'd ever be happy using hardware buttons again. I was one of the critics of softkeys when they first appeared on Android, but I can definitely see how they are an asset now. They've grown on me.

For that reason alone I don't see myself ever using Samsung phones again, even if they have vanilla android.

 

[Fr0gburp3r]

And the point of the multitask test with respect to the Iphone 6 is what exactly?

Android is true multi-tasking against the IOS "app freeze" so whilst the Iphone is doing one task at a time, the Androids are running the others in the background.
Also, the Android(s) are pushing 1080p vs the 720p of the iphone and finally, the androids are 32bit vs the 64 bit iphone.
The iphone is also some 6 months newer (not inconsiderable in todays fast track development)

for the extra €150-€200 bucks the iphone cost and the bits above, it should have steamed the Htc. As it is, 10-15 seconds quicker is quite the anti-climax isn't it?

I guess you didn't see the Android devices reloading instead of getting back to where he left off. I don't think that's multitasking?

 

[TomsAndroid]

I guess you didn't see the Android devices reloading instead of getting back to where he left off. I don't think that's multitasking?

No matter what it's called, it's no more useful than whatever the iPhone is doing


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[Fr0gburp3r]

And now, the Democratic response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoSQxHEETIs

The Nexus 5 is a year older than the phone it is competing with in this video.

Your video basically proves how awful skins are and how much they impact performance. Not how much better iOS is.

http://youtu.be/UPk1B1bxUPg

 

[Fr0gburp3r]

On the iPhone, don't notice it so much, but yeah, I can definitely notice a delay with some Samsung phones.

Soft keys are great now. Hiding during full screen content, easy to get back, consign orientation etc. I used to dislike them, but I appreciate them now.

No mechanical parts is always a win

I certainly won't mind on my iPhone, only because I'm keen for Touch ID, and the iPhone's buttons feel like great quality.


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The home button is essential to the iPhone even before TouchID. It's needed to reboot the phone and/or enter into DFU mode both of which the screen is turned off so soft keys can't be used.

 

[TomsAndroid]

The home button is essential to the iPhone even before TouchID. It's needed to reboot the phone and/or enter into DFU mode both of which the screen is turned off so soft keys can't be used.

Android devices use the volume buttons for these kind of purposes. I'm sure Apple could easily do something like this if they wanted to get rid of the physical home button.

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