Good-bye iPhone!!!

[Dark Penguin]

Not sure what was "disgusting" about the iphone announcement. I can understand "disappointing" for things like no simultaneous voice and data unless on wifi.

How's that again? Wasn't simultaneous voice and data over 3G or 4G just about the first thing you could do with a smartphone? Didn't all the previous iPhones have that capability? I'm not an Apple hater by any stretch, I happen to have an Android device because it is a better fit for my lifestyle in a number of ways. But I find it incredible that voice and data don't work concurrently.

I'm assuming, of course, that "voice" in this context means phone calls, and not some other feature like voice activated menus or searching.

 

[anon(21022)]

It's a CDMA thing; not many phones on CDMA carriers have simultaneous voice and data, even among Android devices. Even with LTE. Look it up.

Even my Fujitsu Android phone with WiMax, I'd expect it to have simultaenous cdma voice and WiMax data, but nope... Not happenin because I'm on a CDMA carrier, and it takes some extra special hardware/software to allow it. At least until VoLTE (Voice over LTE) comes and it gets supported in LTE phones' software... (From one article I read the iPhone 5 WILL support it if it is offered in a software update, so it's only a matter of the carrier - Verizon, Sprint, AU, etc - to support it on their networks). LG U+ in Korea is already rolling out VoLTE it seems, I wonder how that will work!

EDIT: I might be terribly wrong about "not many Android phones can do it either" lol, I'm not in the USA so what do I know *oops*

 

[JustLeft]

How's that again? Wasn't simultaneous voice and data over 3G or 4G just about the first thing you could do with a smartphone? Didn't all the previous iPhones have that capability? I'm not an Apple hater by any stretch, I happen to have an Android device because it is a better fit for my lifestyle in a number of ways. But I find it incredible that voice and data don't work concurrently.

I'm assuming, of course, that "voice" in this context means phone calls, and not some other feature like voice activated menus or searching.

No, the iphone on Verizon has never had simultaneous voice and data. Only the at&t iphone had that capability. It is disappointing that the Verizon iphone still will not support that. Not an issue for me though as I carry two phones.

My S3 isn't perfect either. I have issues with the bluetooth pairing to my car. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The s3 sometimes has an issue going from a bluetooth headset to bluetooth in the car. The s3 will lock up and require the battery to be pulled. Each phone has its own quirks. I love my s3 in spite of its flaws.

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[sparesr4sissies]

Many of the people who aren't into rooting their phones are also not up to date on what the latest software is either. Most of these people bought the phone for the features that were available at the time, not for the features that may be available in a future update.

 

[jonathanm1978]

There is already rumors from S. Korea that hit today about the new galaxy phone hitting the MWC in March, and the upgrades it will see, like going to a 5"screen and the exynos(SP) quad-core processor, etc. But then they said Samsung bumped using the MWC this year to do a solo event announcing the S3, and that February wouldn't even be one year for the flagship phone to be out. So some of the rumor is likely true, like they are obviously working on the new galaxy, but when it comes and specs will likely not be known for a bit.

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[48dodge]

Something we have noticed at my work is that Android phones do not seem to handle large exchange mailboxes as well as iphone.. At least with the earlier android devices we had major issues

This was one thing I missed when first switching from iPhone to my incredible. Touchdown makes it better but still not as seamless as the iPhone. I haven't tried the stock email app.

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[MBSMD]

It's a CDMA thing; not many phones on CDMA carriers have simultaneous voice and data, even among Android devices. Even with LTE. Look it up.

Even my Fujitsu Android phone with WiMax, I'd expect it to have simultaenous cdma voice and WiMax data, but nope... Not happenin because I'm on a CDMA carrier, and it takes some extra special hardware/software to allow it. At least until VoLTE (Voice over LTE) comes and it gets supported in LTE phones' software... (From one article I read the iPhone 5 WILL support it if it is offered in a software update, so it's only a matter of the carrier - Verizon, Sprint, AU, etc - to support it on their networks). LG U+ in Korea is already rolling out VoLTE it seems, I wonder how that will work!

EDIT: I might be terribly wrong about "not many Android phones can do it either" lol, I'm not in the USA so what do I know *oops*

Actually, here's the deal.

The CDMA iPhone 4/4S cannot to SVD (simultaneous voice & data) because it does not support SV-DO (an evolution of EV-DO, the CDMA world's version of 3G). While I don't know about Sprint, Verizon has several phones that support this. The first was the HTC Thunderbolt. So, with certain phones, Verizon 3G users CAN do SVD. The Galaxy S3 is one of those phones.

Now, Verizon supports SVD with all their current LTE phones when in an LTE service area (the above statement about SV-DO notwithstanding). The data is carried on LTE channel and the voice is carried on the CDMA 1x channel. These phones have 2 or more radios and antennas that can operate simultaneously (each on a different frequency for the CDMA channel and the LTE channel). Some because they have two separate chipsets (CDMA and LTE) and some because they're designed with multiple transceiver antennas.

What Apple appears to have done with the iPhone 5 is this: They're using a single antenna array (it's actually two - a main plus a diversity, but they basically function together). While this saves power and keeps the size to a minimum, it can't transmit CDMA voice and LTE data at the same time. Nor can it support SV-DO for the same reason. Basically, it can only talk to one network at a time - CDMA or LTE. One or the other, not both. Other phones are not designed with this limitation (at least not so far).

So, the Verizon iPhone 5's lack of SVD is NOT a Verizon problem. It's an Apple problem.

Now, this same design limitation also affects the AT&T/GSM iPhone 5. It cannot do UTMS/GSM plus LTE at the same time. One or the other. So when you're on a voice call, you lose LTE data. Data (and the voice call) drop to 3G.

However, since 3G GSM could always do SVD over its single transceiver array, you still get simultaneous voice and data on the AT&T (GSM, non-CDMA) iPhone 5. But it's restricted to 3G data when on a voice call. Same phone design limitation, different consequences.

So, it's Apple's fault that in 2013 their flagship phone cannot support voice plus simultaneous LTE data (or any data of any kind on Verizon/Sprint). It's Apple's purposeful design limitation, nothing to do with the network carrier.

Don't blame Verizon. The blame falls squarely in Apple's lap for this one.

 

[jnnyr]

I agree for the most part they are brainwashed. Where I work several people recently bought the 4S (mostly girls in their 20s). They were showing the 4S to each other like it was the latest thing. I asked them if they knew it wasn't even 4G and they said, "well the iPhone has the best equipment and is the fastest on the Internet." That is brainwashing. I got my S3 out of my pocket and showed them and they were wowed by the size of the screen, the quality of the screen and how thin it is, plus how fast on 4G. They said they now feel ripped off. I'm kind of sorry I showed them my device as now they are bummed they didn't get it.

Yea, but I bet you had a little grin all the while.

 

[eric3316]

Actually, here's the deal.

The CDMA iPhone 4/4S cannot to SVD (simultaneous voice & data) because it does not support SV-DO (an evolution of EV-DO, the CDMA world's version of 3G). While I don't know about Sprint, Verizon has several phones that support this. The first was the HTC Thunderbolt. So, with certain phones, Verizon 3G users CAN do SVD. The Galaxy S3 is one of those phones.

Now, Verizon supports SVD with all their current LTE phones when in an LTE service area (the above statement about SV-DO notwithstanding). The data is carried on LTE channel and the voice is carried on the CDMA 1x channel. These phones have 2 or more radios and antennas that can operate simultaneously (each on a different frequency for the CDMA channel and the LTE channel). Some because they have two separate chipsets (CDMA and LTE) and some because they're designed with multiple transceiver antennas.

What Apple appears to have done with the iPhone 5 is this: They're using a single antenna array (it's actually two - a main plus a diversity, but they basically function together). While this saves power and keeps the size to a minimum, it can't transmit CDMA voice and LTE data at the same time. Nor can it support SV-DO for the same reason. Basically, it can only talk to one network at a time - CDMA or LTE. One or the other, not both. Other phones are not designed with this limitation (at least not so far).

So, the Verizon iPhone 5's lack of SVD is NOT a Verizon problem. It's an Apple problem.

Now, this same design limitation also affects the AT&T/GSM iPhone 5. It cannot do UTMS/GSM plus LTE at the same time. One or the other. So when you're on a voice call, you lose LTE data. Data (and the voice call) drop to 3G.

However, since 3G GSM could always do SVD over its single transceiver array, you still get simultaneous voice and data on the AT&T (GSM, non-CDMA) iPhone 5. But it's restricted to 3G data when on a voice call. Same phone design limitation, different consequences.

So, it's Apple's fault that in 2013 their flagship phone cannot support voice plus simultaneous LTE data (or any data of any kind on Verizon/Sprint). It's Apple's purposeful design limitation, nothing to do with the network carrier.

Don't blame Verizon. The blame falls squarely in Apple's lap for this one.

Yeah, but their phone is very thin and light and has a huge 4' screen so who cares what it can do? lol

Oh sorry forgot to add, they can now see 5 days in the calendar instead of 3!

 

[thelastdraco]

You are entitled to your opinion. I have an s3 and love it and also will likely get the ip5. I'm sure I'm in the minority as I really like both platforms.

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You are not alone. I also like both platforms but the amount of innovation that actually appeared in the new iPhone is unrevolutionary and rather disappointing for a company that is supposed to be leading the market in quality mobile products. Not only that but since I made the switch to Android (~before FroYo came out), every time a new software update is announced its like being a kid in a toy store eagerly waiting to get home and play with his new toys. The transition from iOS5 to iOS6 is like taking an old paddle-ball toy and changing the color of the ball.

 

[richardd43]

I bought a new car a few years ago. The following year they came out with a more fure efficient engine.

There is no way the car dealer was going to upgrade my car.

It is the same with my phone. I had a Motorola Milestone that never made it past Android 2.2. Funny thing is it did everything a smartphone should do.

Today I finally retired it and bought a new S-3. Did I need it? Not really. Did I want it? You bet.

 

[pblakk]

I bought a new car a few years ago. The following year they came out with a more fure efficient engine.

There is no way the car dealer was going to upgrade my car.

It is the same with my phone. I had a Motorola Milestone that never made it past Android 2.2. Funny thing is it did everything a smartphone should do.

Today I finally retired it and bought a new S-3. Did I need it? Not really. Did I want it? You bet.

Yeah I think the S3 is a great device and I was very tempted to get one especially after spending time with a demo unit. I like Samsung's interface too. But the negative posts about the radio issues turned me off. So now I'm waiting for the MAXX HD.

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[Shuckster]

I'm willing to give the SG3 15 days or so and see if it works for me. I think it will.