Google Nexus 6 Price doesn't matter

[DirkBelig]

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You don't surf the same sites I do then or skipped the comments filled with haters raging on every. single. news. story. about the OPO about how they were so butthurt over it not being available in Samsung quantities on May 1st that they hope they go to hell and they die.

As OnePlus surely should be able to tell from their servers being crushed by people wanting to order their phones the other day, the demand is there, doubly so now that Google has chosen to double their prices. 64GB Nexus 6 for $700 plus tax and shipping (in MI that's $756) or the 64GB OnePlus One for $350 plus shipping, no tax ($366). That's a $390 spread! You could almost buy a Nexus 9 (puny 16GB version) for that difference.

Unless you're rich or chain yourself to a carrier, the Nexus 6 is simply too expensive for what was traditionally the core Nexus buyer. With Lollipop coming within 3 months to the OPO and almost immediately to Nexus 4/5/7 and GPEs, what's the benefit of the Nexus 6 compared to say a ROMed LG G3? Too bad, Google. Hope you like your new rich friends.

 

[Jeremy8000]

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64GB Nexus 6 for $700 plus tax and shipping (in MI that's $756) or the 64GB OnePlus One for $350 plus shipping, no tax ($366).

2 things...

First, I agree that the OnePlus One represents the shock to the value given for a phone that Nexus represented with its introduction of the Nexus 4 and 5 devices at their Play store pricing, and kudos to OnePlus for that. It's a helluva deal, and for someone looking for a large phablet that doesn't want to pay near top shelf price, it's the way to go. But side by side, the Nexus 6 is a better phone, significantly, in almost every respect, while still being hundreds of dollars less than those (I'm looking at you, Note 4 and iPhone) that can't make that same claim vs it (the Nexus 6).

Second, you don't pay tax when you buy the phone, but you're still required by MI state law to report and pay the same tax ("Use Tax") on the device that you would have if tax had been assessed by the seller:

The use tax is a companion tax to the sales tax. Use tax of 6% must be paid on the total price (including shipping and handling charges) of all taxable items brought into Michigan or purchases by mail from out-of-state retailers.

You only save that tax if you commit tax fraud.

the Nexus 6 is simply too expensive for what was traditionally the core Nexus buyer.

You're saying that the 'core Nexus buyer' is one who is buying a great phone because it is cheap. I won't argue that that wasn't a strong benefit, but I'd argue that many 'core' buyers bought it because it is Android at its smoothest performance, not bogged down by bloat, and ensured of staying up to date for much longer than most of its competitors.

 

[Closingracer]

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This.

I always cringe when people say that Android is the market share leader in mobile. While I'm sure that is technically correct, iPhones still dwarf the competition in devices sold. So we should really be looking at how many Samsung phones are sold per year vs iPhones because I'm pretty sure that it's not all that close. There are how many different manufacturers running different versions of Android versus one manufacturer running mostly the same version of iOS? That is why Apple has so much pull because everyone knows that most people will be running the same version of the operating system with similar specs and screen sizes instead many different specs on many different versions of Android. That and virtually guaranteed high sale numbers give Apple a huge advantage.

I think Google's biggest mistake was making Android open and now they have next to zero pull with the carriers. Do they care? Maybe, maybe not but it seems to be getting slightly better in all areas with each Nexus device. I remember when ATT didn't even officially support the Nexus 4. It's good to see the carriers offering up the Nexus 6 but if they are allowed to have their own bloatware or OS tweaks I'd say Google has officially lost that battle. Hopefully not!

Umm need to take a fair number you would need to see how many devices Samsung sold from every mid to low range made this year and this year's and last year's flag ship sold this year and compare it to apples sales o

 

[Closingracer]

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Nexus was never really advertised or pushed before. Not to mention this is the first time in awhile it has been on every carrier. I think that will help some, still most likely won't sell apple or even samsung like levels, but think it will be a solid seller none the less

And it still isn't.... Haven't seen an nexus add in like forever

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

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When OnePlus can't deliver mass quantities of phones, they are bashed as being a lying ripoff company that isn't worthy of considering buying the products. Harrumph! Harrumph!

When Google can't deliver mass quantities of phones, they are hailed as having been totally correct in their decision to double their prices because Google is awesome and Nexus is awesome and everything is awesome.

Yeesh. Double-standard much, fanboys? And I'm speaking as someone who bought the Nexus 4, Nexus 5 and both Nexus 7s the moments they became available.

I've had a OnePlus One for four months now and sat in jaw-dropped sadness as Google unveiled their "We're Charging Samsung Money Now!" strategy. That $230-$280 tablet is now $400-$480. That $400 phone is now $650 and if you want 64GB, that will be exactly double of what a comparable OnePlus One is, provided you can actually get a chance to buy one. (If 1+ doesn't try and roll the hard 6 and go all in to supply the market segment Google just threw away, they're insane and stupid.) I just bought a nice 55" TV for $780; am I spending almost that much with tax and shipping for a phone that's almost too big to use as a phone.

Sorry, OP. Price most certainly DOES matter unless you're enslaving yourself to a carrier contract to make it affordable.

Big difference. Everyone had the opportunity to purchase a Nexus 6. No invite required.

They didn't have enough, which is bad, but they will come back in stock.

OPO had a pre order, which didn't go well at all. This is the first time since they launched it that anyone could order it without hunting down an invite.

You don't surf the same sites I do then or skipped the comments filled with haters raging on every. single. news. story. about the OPO about how they were so butthurt over it not being available in Samsung quantities on May 1st that they hope they go to hell and they die.

As OnePlus surely should be able to tell from their servers being crushed by people wanting to order their phones the other day, the demand is there, doubly so now that Google has chosen to double their prices. 64GB Nexus 6 for $700 plus tax and shipping (in MI that's $756) or the 64GB OnePlus One for $350 plus shipping, no tax ($366). That's a $390 spread! You could almost buy a Nexus 9 (puny 16GB version) for that difference.

Unless you're rich or chain yourself to a carrier, the Nexus 6 is simply too expensive for what was traditionally the core Nexus buyer. With Lollipop coming within 3 months to the OPO and almost immediately to Nexus 4/5/7 and GPEs, what's the benefit of the Nexus 6 compared to say a ROMed LG G3? Too bad, Google. Hope you like your new rich friends.

The "typical" Nexus buyer is clearly not focused on price as so many surmised they would be when it was announced.

The "typical" Nexus buyer appreciates a value, but also wants the Nexus experience.

I'm a "typical" Nexus buyer and the price didn't deter me at all.

The difference between a Nexus 6 and ROM'd G3 is that one will get updates when Google pushes them out (and not at the whim of a ROM dev), the N6 has better specs (if that's your thing), and lastly (though by no means the only other difference) one is a Nexus and one is not.

Nexus has a historically great track record of software support and updates that is not guaranteed with any ROM.

 

[Scott7217]

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When OnePlus can't deliver mass quantities of phones, they are bashed as being a lying ripoff company that isn't worthy of considering buying the products.

I'm more forgiving of OnePlus because they've only launched one product so far. Google has had multiple launches for Nexus products, so if they mess up, I think the criticism is justified.

 

[BRIVERS73]

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When OnePlus can't deliver mass quantities of phones, they are bashed as being a lying ripoff company that isn't worthy of considering buying the products. Harrumph! Harrumph!

When Google can't deliver mass quantities of phones, they are hailed as having been totally correct in their decision to double their prices because Google is awesome and Nexus is awesome and everything is awesome.

Yeesh. Double-standard much, fanboys? And I'm speaking as someone who bought the Nexus 4, Nexus 5 and both Nexus 7s the moments they became available.
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People are pissed that they couldn't preorder the Nexus 6, not sure where you read otherwise

 

[booboolala2000]

Wondering if they will put it on sale before the holidays? Cyber Monday deal?

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[CarbonOak]

Wondering if they will put it on sale before the holidays? Cyber Monday deal?

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The Nexus? I highly doubt it. It's not even officially released yet!

 

[Ed Briggs]

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Google realizes that people don't really make phone calls these days.

I work in a busy grocery store and see 100's of people a day. Trust me, I see tons of people talking on the phone. Calls haven't gone away yet.

 

[Scott7217]

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I work in a busy grocery store and see 100's of people a day. Trust me, I see tons of people talking on the phone. Calls haven't gone away yet.

That's why it's good that Google hasn't removed the ability to make calls on the Nexus 6.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

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I'm more forgiving of OnePlus because they've only launched one product so far. Google has had multiple launches for Nexus products, so if they mess up, I think the criticism is justified.

Brand new companies have one, maybe two, chances to get the attention of the consumer market. Mess that up and without another source of revenue the company won't last long.

You can be forgiving, but the market won't be.

 

[Almeuit]

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Google realizes that people don't really make phone calls these days. People are looking for portable, internet-connected devices, where it makes sense to have a bigger screen.

That is a bold statement to make without data to back it up ^_^. I use my phone hardcore for many things .. including talk (see below for current usage as of today). So just because you or your friends may not doesn't mean we all don't use our phones to call .

 

[ryan.kruger]

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That is a bold statement to make without data to back it up ^_^. I use my phone hardcore for many things .. including talk (see below for current usage as of today). So just because you or your friends may not doesn't mean we all don't use our phones to call .

Hey I've been plunking around the internet inquiring whether or not I should be worried about my 40+ GB usage of data on TMobile. Thank you for confirming that I shouldn't be.

What do you use to get that data though, are you tethering?

 

[Almeuit]

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Hey I've been plunking around the internet inquiring whether or not I should be worried about my 40+ GB usage of data on TMobile. Thank you for confirming that I shouldn't be.

What do you use to get that data though, are you tethering?

I don't tether much at all... if any. I use between 100-150 GB a month average. That is streaming HD TV .. movies .. music .. maybe 1-2 GB of tether for a co-worker. The most I ever used (no tether) was 1 TB (http://forums.androidcentral.com/verizon/388159-terabyte-club-3.html#post3669274) -- Just to see if T-Mobile would throttle or yell at me .. They did neither .

 

[Ed Briggs]

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That's why it's good that Google hasn't removed the ability to make calls on the Nexus 6.

Why would they remove that ability? If they did, it becomes a 6" tablet. Phone calls are still important to a lot of people, especially those with a family or people who run a business.

 

[Scott7217]

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Brand new companies have one, maybe two, chances to get the attention of the consumer market. Mess that up and without another source of revenue the company won't last long.

You can be forgiving, but the market won't be.

As an individual, I cannot control the market. I can only control my own actions.

With OnePlus, they've certainly made mistakes. We can only hope that they correct them in time. It's certainly difficult to be successful in the smartphone business. Just look at other companies, like Blackberry, Nokia, and Palm.

In any case, I think we can agree that having more companies like OnePlus bringing more affordable flagship-level phones to the market is good for the consumer.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

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As an individual, I cannot control the market. I can only control my own actions.

With OnePlus, they've certainly made mistakes. We can only hope that they correct them in time. It's certainly difficult to be successful in the smartphone business. Just look at other companies, like Blackberry, Nokia, and Palm.

In any case, I think we can agree that having more companies like OnePlus bringing more affordable flagship-level phones to the market is good for the consumer.

Well, if that trend were to continue (race to the bottom pricing) then phones become commodity items. There is no incentive to innovate when that happens. The PC market is a perfect example. Very low margins. Risks become too risky, and if the chance of reward is not high enough companies just won't do it.

 

[Scott7217]

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That is a bold statement to make without data to back it up ^_^. I use my phone hardcore for many things .. including talk (see below for current usage as of today). So just because you or your friends may not doesn't mean we all don't use our phones to call .

Here are a few articles for your review:

Clive Thompson on the Death of the Phone Call -- Wired (article link here)

Excerpt: "According to Nielsen, the average number of mobile phone calls we make is dropping every year, after hitting a peak in 2007. And our calls are getting shorter: In 2005 they averaged three minutes in length; now they’re almost half that.

We’re moving, in other words, toward a fascinating cultural transition: the death of the telephone call. This shift is particularly stark among the young."

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UK is now texting more than talking -- Ofcom (article link here)

Excerpt: "Text-based communications are surpassing traditional phone calls or meeting face to face as the most frequent ways of keeping in touch for UK adults.

The findings were revealed when adults were asked what methods they used at least once a day to communicate with friends and family.

The average UK consumer now sends 50 texts per week - which has more than doubled in four years - with over 150 billion text messages sent in 2011.

Almost another ninety minutes per week is spent accessing social networking sites and e-mail, or using a mobile to access the internet, while for the first time ever fewer phone calls are being made on both fixed and mobile phones.

Teenagers and young adults are leading these changes, increasingly socialising with friends and family online and through text messages despite saying they prefer to talk face to face."

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Texting Dominates As Teens And Young Adults Make Fewer Phone Calls -- Huffington Post (article link here)

Excerpt: "As NBC News explains, 63 percent of teens text every day, compared to only 39 percent making or taking cell phone calls daily. And it seems social networking (29 percent daily use) and instant messaging (22 percent) are increasingly taking up U.S. teens' time, too.

Taken together, these studies appear to foreshadow a time in the not-so-distant future when text-based messages are the norm and phone calls are thought of as a quaint, nonessential way to get in touch."

 

[RealDogBoy]

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As an individual, I cannot control the market. I can only control my own actions.

With OnePlus, they've certainly made mistakes. We can only hope that they correct them in time. It's certainly difficult to be successful in the smartphone business. Just look at other companies, like Blackberry, Nokia, and Palm.

In any case, I think we can agree that having more companies like OnePlus bringing more affordable flagship-level phones to the market is good for the consumer.

It certainly is good for the consumer -- their tiny production numbers have caught the eye of the giants. I'm sure of that.

One Plus is an interesting company: very small company, hardware start-up (a much rougher neighborhood than software), excellent product. But there are some puzzling questions... for starts: Why can't they get production cranked up given that they know the demand is there?

I'd love to see some good investigative journalism on this.