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[pappy53]

So why didn't they sue Google? As you said Apple sued Samsung for copying and they do that when patents are violated... So why not Google?

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You'll have to ask Apple, I don't know

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[Kevin OQuinn]

Apple had a patented touchscreen. No one was supposed to use that, but Google did.

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Apple multitouch patent upheld by US Patent and Trademark Office | The Verge

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Your wording was a little ambiguous. They patented methods for recognizing certain touch gestures, but not the technology behind the capacitive touchscreen.

 

[Almeuit]

You'll have to ask Apple, I don't know

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I was simply going on your logic... You said they only sue when their property is violated but they only go for Samsung. So it's either they don't care and are just bullying Samsung.. Or they're scared of Google's lawyers for some reason.. Seems like it would be easy to show they copied if they did indeed do so...

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[JeffDenver]

Apple multitouch patent upheld by US Patent and Trademark Office | The Verge

For the record, this is exactly why I ask for sources. Because some people (not naming names LOL) have a tendency to exaggerate their claims.

1) The source has nothing to do with Google. It has to do with vendors using Android for their phones. This is a HARDWARE patent, not a software patent, and Google does not make hardware.

2) It is not related to touchscreens in general, but one specific use (multi-touch) and even then it is only an aspect of multi-touch, not the idea of multi-touch in general.

3) It's not over yet...this patent was originally rejected, and then apple appealed and the latest court has overturned the lower court. Samsung is appealing it again I'm sure.

So...Google ripped off nothing, You are wrong. It has nothing to do with Google. Google is not even mentioned in your source.

 

[pappy53]

http://m.techradar.com/news/phone-a...es/apple-wins-major-touchscreen-patent-969477

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[JeffDenver]

Apple wins major touchscreen patent | TechRadar

Uh huh

An initial ruling back in December of last year had rejected them, but this latest reexamination certificate basically walks that back in its entirety.
Apple multitouch patent upheld by US Patent and Trademark Office | The Verge

So they were rejected at one point. Also...

But it's not all rain clouds and thunderbolts for Apple's competitors – they could be safe unless they've copied the interface entirely, every finger gesture and all.

Mueller explains, "The way to read a patent claim is that it's only infringed if the accused technology is implemented in its entirety—all of the characteristics must be matched."

http://m.techradar.com/news/phone-a...es/apple-wins-major-touchscreen-patent-969477

 

[STARGATE]

Yes.

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Can't wait to see if the rumors are true. And if they are, how Apple will magically retcon their previous position.

I already Loled hard enough with the iPhone 5.
Oh man, are they going to make me laugh harder?!

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[FFR]

Google copying Apple for a change

Between Nokia and Motorola, they own patents on the cell phone itself as well as the smart phone. You don't see them trolling like Apple did in Steve Jobs' era.

Cough cough...

"Nokia sues Apple, says iPhone infringes ten patents"

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/nokia-sues-apple-says-iphone-infringes-ten-patents/

"Motorola sues Apple over iPhone 4S, iCloud"

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/motorola-sues-apple-over-iphone-4s-icloud/

And

"Motorola Mobility sues Apple (again); seeks iPhone, Mac import ban"

http://www.zdnet.com/motorola-mobility-sues-apple-again-seeks-iphone-mac-import-ban-7000002853/

 

[FFR]

Those two were being built side by side, one for the low end and one for the high end. Either way, I had a touch screen smartphone over 4 years before the iPhone dropped and a capacitive screen phone a couple months before.

That is completely inaccurate.

One, the reference design android device (sooner) or "the low end", as you refer to it was never released. Two, the device and android at the time were a "non touch" input. Finally, it took about 18 months to release the "high end" device after the "low end" or reference surfaced in mid 2007. Again they were never "built side by side". In fact, the reference design or "bb clone" was abandoned altogether and it took 18 months to release the the "iPhone clone" or "touch input" android device we know today.

Android reference or Sooner:

The interface:

 

[A895]

There are no more original ideas, everything that can ever be thought of has already been said or done. There. Google didn't copy anyone they bought ideas, and companies and it has paid off for them big time. Android being a prime example.

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[z33dev33l]

That is completely inaccurate.

One, the reference design android device (sooner) or "the low end", as you refer to it was never released. Two, the device and android at the time were a "non touch" input. Finally, it took about 18 months to release the "high end" device after the "low end" or reference surfaced in mid 2007. Again they were never "built side by side". In fact, the reference design or "bb clone" was abandoned altogether and it took 18 months to release the the "iPhone clone" or "touch input" android device we know today.

Android reference or Sooner:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/17/yqu4ejet.jpg

The interface:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/17/y8uba7y8.jpg

Suppose that depends on who you believe. Diane Hackthorn of Android's engineering group said that they dropped the non-touch devices as a result of the iPhone but they had the HTC Dream prior to iPhone's release.

 

[Alik Malix]

Sadly Pappy will have to deal with some more Apple hypocrisy when the iPhone 6 comes out.
Remember Apple dismissively refusing to use larger screens on iPhones all these years? Claiming smaller screens were superior for mobile phones? And that larger screens were just a fad, a niche? Well, Apple will have to eat its words: the 2014 iPhone 6 will come in 2 sizes, 5,7" and 6,4"! Decidedly large 'phablets'!

Let the games begin!

You know when Steve Job made that statement, smartphones were not capable and did not have really awesome games that we have today. Apps (and games) these days are much more comprehensive, detailed and outright more capable then before; thus more space is needed to organize all the functions. The area of the iphone 4 (or 5) is still quite comfortable for many many people (check out all apple forums). So Steve was right. But there's a world of people that believe "Bigger is Better" regardless of arguments against it. Apple was never about catering to everyone (that's Samsung's Job) but they cater to vast majority - and it proves in sales.

Back to my point - I'm playing games that are really console like on my iPhone sometimes (I prefer iPad screen - but dont have it with me for the few moments during the day that I'd want to get into it. Apple is "reacting" to this niche, as opposed to be proactive about it - but that doesn't put them as follower like Samsung "We lead by following" (statement from Samsung). Screen is an easy task to upgrade - Apple leaped years ahead in processing, graphics, and optimization, home/car/gadget automation, and they still pushing that front. Because of that push - our phones are much more capable today then they did a couple of years ago - so it brings me to my point above.

Instead of beating the same "but Steve said..." argument - why not ask when Samsung, HTC, or anyone else pushes something that matters forward instead of following Apple into Cars, Homes, Health, etc... (oh wait, Samsung made a move, wait for it 4.9 to 5.1 inch screen - wow, so innovating!)

But speaking of "Let the games begin!" I think Android had a good run for big screens, it's time to move over...

 

[Alik Malix]

Suppose that depends on who you believe. Diane Hackthorn of Android's engineering group said that they dropped the non-touch devices as a result of the iPhone but they had the HTC Dream prior to iPhone's release.

Funny... I had an iPhone before HTC had a touch screen....

 

[z33dev33l]

Funny... I had an iPhone before HTC had a touch screen....

No, no you didn't. HTC had touch screens more than 5 years before the iPhone dropped. Look at the HTC Wallaby. They even had fully fleshed out smartphones 2-3 years before the iPhone dropped.

 

[Alik Malix]

That is factually incorrect.

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comScore Reports January 2014 U.S. Smartphone Subscriber Market Share - comScore, Inc

According to Comscore, iOS has 42% US marketshare, and Android 51%. Thats just for the US where Apple is strongest... In the rest of the world it's worse. Android has about 75%+ marketshare in the rest of the world.

If you want to move the goalposts and say "individual products" then that would put Apple ahead. But as a platform, most people are not buying Apple stuff. They are buying from it's competitors, which are mostly Android.

I knew Apple vs the World was coming... but you have to give it to them, one phone a year (5c replaced the 5 that was not produced anymore), and only a little bit behind the WORLD? My argument is that the WORLD where Apple is beat with 75% Android isn't saturated by flagship - but mostly mid-tier to junk or outdated. I may be wrong, but we're talking 3rd world, and countries where iPhones were not sold for many years. Look at JAPAN, CANADA, EUROPE - dominated by iOS


These are mostly countries with citizens that have disposable income - they (maybe by small margin) prefer iOS. Countries that consist of mostly poor population dont buy Samsung Galaxy S5's - when they want a LATEST MODEL phone they buy cheaper Android Variants only because Android caters cheap models. So all that tells me that people who can afford a flagship phone buy mostly Apple.

And before you argue that there are people in China, Russia, Africa, and South America who are wealthy too - well they buy iPhones just as well as Android, there are just not as many wealthy people in those regions as the the blue areas - which once again, brings me to my point. If every country had the same economic state as the U.S. iOS would be leading everywhere. Unfortunately, as much as the Beauty Pageant Models wish to end WORLD POVERTY - it's not like that, but there's Android Phones for that...

 

[Alik Malix]

No, no you didn't. HTC had touch screens more than 5 years before the iPhone dropped. Look at the HTC Wallaby. They even had fully fleshed out smartphones 2-3 years before the iPhone dropped.

Where the hell was that phone, and where the hell was Prade? I would love to have bought one - love new tech, unfortunately I didn't see that option...

Hah, but lets argue it was available everywhere, I preferred the SCREEN SIZE of the iPhone then.... iPhone was dominating Screen size in 2007, untill Android manufacturers decided that they need to offer something... something to entice buyers - ooh lets make the screen better - yey...

 

[z33dev33l]

3 years prior to the iPhone. Fully fleshed out smartphone



This was the first device on which you could install Swype and interact well with your thumb.



First iteration of the TouchFlo interface meant to be usable by the hand



Here was my baby, the HTC Vogue or as Alltel called it, the HTC Touch. First time flashing custom roms back in early 07 before the iPhone came out.



First one built with the size of a hand in mind. Made 3.5 inches just like the iPhone



That's literally just 1 OEM.

LG had this out before the iPhone

 

[z33dev33l]

Where the hell was that phone, and where the hell was Prade? I would love to have bought one - love new tech, unfortunately I didn't see that option...

Hah, but lets argue it was available everywhere, I preferred the SCREEN SIZE of the iPhone then.... iPhone was dominating Screen size in 2007, untill Android manufacturers decided that they need to offer something... something to entice buyers - ooh lets make the screen better - yey...

The sreen size was actually second biggest when it came out. There was a 3.7 inch device that came out two months before the iPhone. It was tied with two other devices as second. The iPhone was hardly available everywhere. In the US, for example, it was only available on the second largest carrier which barely cleared 40 percent of the US in terms of coverage. It wasn't on the biggest. It was second which was fairly small.

 

[Alik Malix]

This is fun....

Re: Pappy and his argument that Google copied Apple -- Here it is:

You're not wrong, but Pappy is right. When iPhone hit the market in 2007, Google was working on an Android that was BB lookalike (meaning with qwerty keyboard and 2.5"-ish screen. After everyone had a good laugh at Apples iPhone introduction, they quickly threw out the concept (photo that he posted earlier) and started working on a full screen smartphone LIKE Apple's iPhone. It was easy by then, grab an iPhone, reverse engineer, try to avoid as many patents as possible, and voila... When Android was ready for public (kinda), they released it to OEM's, without much success (remember one iPhone killer after another - I heard them all). So finally one OEM decided they had enough - lets just build what sells well - and they mimicked the iPhone almost to the blueprint: including software gestures, rubber band effect, slide to unlock, curved corners (yes I dare said it), chrome bezel, oh, but a square button (duh, we dont want anyone noticing the similarities). That's when Steve got PISSED OFF, and decided to go, ahem, "thermonuclear".

Anyway, most of you are smart folks, so no more dumb-ing down. This is what Pappy was referring to (which you already knew - but mocked him anyway) The Day Google Had to 'Start Over' on Android - Fred Vogelstein - The Atlantic

Furthermore, Google will not sue Apple because it is open source and I admire Google for sharing. But Apple does concentrate hard on details which it invests time, and money (just like google... I know), but they're in business of selling an experience - so they protect it. Google is in business of selling ad space - they dont care (for the lack of better description).

And another point made earlier - Why isn't Apple being sued... well that's false. Apple does get sued, they just dont drag it out - hoping to gain momentum before a ban, they settle or deal quick. But maybe, just maybe, apple takes a bit more care not to infringe on patented ideas during development (that's why many ask, why cant Apple include this or that when Android already has it). And if there's a concept that Apple wants to implement, well google: Apple Acquisitions or Cross-licensing, which I'm guessing is how Apple includes Google stuff without the forced Google Mail, Maps, Chrome, etc - like it is on Android Phones. That's a legal way of doing it - Samsung should try it.

 

[Alik Malix]

3 years prior to the iPhone. Fully fleshed out smartphone

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This was the first device on which you could install Swype and interact well with your thumb.

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First iteration of the TouchFlo interface meant to be usable by the hand

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Here was my baby, the HTC Vogue or as Alltel called it, the HTC Touch. First time flashing custom roms back in early 07 before the iPhone came out.

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First one built with the size of a hand in mind. Made 3.5 inches just like the iPhone

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That's literally just 1 OEM.

LG had this out before the iPhone

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Thank you, dude... You really put some work into that one (I appreciate it) Mind including model names of all these examples that I have never seen before or was able to buy. I'll check them all out - and comeback here and correct myself...