Google Possibly Investing in Songza

[JeffDenver]

You're not wrong, but Pappy is right. When iPhone hit the market in 2007, Google was working on an Android that was BB lookalike (meaning with qwerty keyboard and 2.5"-ish screen. After everyone had a good laugh at Apples iPhone introduction, they quickly threw out the concept (photo that he posted earlier) and started working on a full screen smartphone LIKE Apple's iPhone.

Which phone was that? The G1?

The G1 was not like the iPhone. It had a desktop, not an icon grid. It had a hardware keyboard, and hardware buttons.

 

[pappy53]

No matter how ridiculous they are?

Do you really think Apple invented Slide to Unlock? Or the idea of swiping? Or the idea of the icon grid?

Even if they didn't invent them, they have a right to patent any changes or improvements that were made by them. Ridiculous doesn't matter. A patent is a patent.

 

[JohnnyCL]

Ridiculous doesn't matter. A patent is a patent.

And ridiculous is ridiculous.
It is also greedy, false, and self-serving patent-trolling. The user pays the price.

Remember Apple claiming that the smartphone's form-factor – "rectangular with rounded off corners" – was their, Apple's, 'intellectual property'? I couldn't stop laughing! That made it clear that Jobs had totally lost it.

 

[JeffDenver]

Even if they didn't invent them, they have a right to patent any changes or improvements that were made by them. Ridiculous doesn't matter. A patent is a patent.

"Even if I did not actually invent this, I have a right to pretend I did, because I currently own the patent".

 

[JeffDenver]

And ridiculous is ridiculous.
It is also greedy, false, and self-serving patent-trolling.

Yep. Pappy seems to be defending Apples right to exploit the court system.

 

[pappy53]

"Even if I did not actually invent this, I have a right to pretend I did, because I currently own the patent".

"Even if I did not actually invent this, I did greatly improve it, and now I currently own the patent".

Fixed.

 

[JeffDenver]

"Even if I did not actually invent this, I did greatly improve it, and now I currently own the patent".

Fixed.

They improved the icon grid? Slide to unlock? Swiping? You are really trying to make that argument?

If I can make a tire with slightly better treads, can I claim to have invented tires too? LOL

 

[TOTtomdora]

You can all argue until the cows fail to come home about who copied who, and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
Grow up, people. They're both good products that are different enough that there are advantages and disadvantages to both, and that's the point of having options. So you can weigh one over the other.

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[pappy53]

They improved the icon grid? Slide to unlock? Swiping? You are really trying to make that argument?

If I can make a tire with slightly better treads, can I claim to have invented tires too? LOL

You can patent the treads.

 

[Haalcyon]

You can all argue until the cows fail to come home about who copied who, and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
Grow up, people. They're both good products that are different enough that there are advantages and disadvantages to both, and that's the point of having options. So you can weigh one over the other.

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[pappy53]

You can all argue until the cows fail to come home about who copied who, and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
Grow up, people. They're both good products that are different enough that there are advantages and disadvantages to both, and that's the point of having options. So you can weigh one over the other.

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Agreed.
One thing that I found out about Apple yesterday was that when you are out in public with a smartphone, different companies have a "scanner" of some sort to track where you go by using your MAC address, and then send tailored-for-you advertising your way. I can't be done on iOS because when you are out and about iOS sends out fake MAC addresses, therefore you can't be tracked. Android might do this same thing, I don't know. But it's a good idea, and everyone should adopt it, IMO.

 

[z33dev33l]

No it didn't. Because that figure includes all iPhones...even old models. If there was only one Android vendor, it's entirely possible it would outsell the iPhone...the Galaxy series already almost outsells it all by themselves, and there are countless millions more where they came from.

With iOS, the phone and the platform are the same thing. So you have no way of knowing which one they are really buying. The one thing all Android phones have in common is Android. So when someone buy's an Android phone, they are deliberately passing on Apple. They are saying the iPhone is not worth the price Apple is asking for their product.


According to who? Who gets to decide what "junk" is? The Nexus (as an example) is half the price of the best iPhone and has better specs. "junk" is relative. There are lots of other phones outside the US that are like that. The Nexus is not alone.

They all have the option of paying Apple's premium, and are choosing not to. They do not think the product is worth what Apple is asking.


Why did you leave the US out of your list?

This is as of a year ago:

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Android Is Steadily Devouring Apple’s Market Share In Key World Markets

UK, Italy, Germany, Australia, Spain, France. You did not provide a link to your source, but I just did for mine.


LOL! Look at that chart. That is not a small margin, OR a minority.


So UK, Italy, Germany, Australia, Spain, France are poor countries in your opinion?

Saying the specs are better is really opinion though. Higher, yes but there's no denying that Apple's A-series chips are phenomenal and have consistently raised the bar in terms of GPU performance on a mobile device. Specs don't matter though, it's how you use them. I've mostly sided with Android in this thread but as the Moto G was the first decent budget Android device. Prior to that, Android under $200 was dismal at best and that's a relatively new device. you pulled yourself in another thread what the average cost was of smartphones back in I think 2012? You have to know what Android phones on the low end were like prior to that. That's the whole reason the Moto G was a big deal.

 

[pappy53]

"the Galaxy series already almost outsells it all by themselves"

LOL!

 

[pappy53]

Saying the specs are better is really opinion though. Higher, yes but there's no denying that Apple's A-series chips are phenomenal and have consistently raised the bar in terms of GPU performance on a mobile device. Specs don't matter though, it's how you use them. I've mostly sided with Android in this thread but as the Moto G was the first decent budget Android device. Prior to that, Android under $200 was dismal at best and that's a relatively new device. you pulled yourself in another thread what the average cost was of smartphones back in I think 2012? You have to know what Android phones on the low end were like prior to that. That's the whole reason the Moto G was a big deal.

If Apple had covered the low-end market, instead of just premium devices, I believe that percentages would be majorly different. A lot of those people in other countries cannot afford an iPhone, so they have to go with cheaper phones such as Android and Windows budget phones. It also applies to the U.S.customers.

 

[z33dev33l]

"the Galaxy series already almost outsells it all by themselves"

LOL!

Samsung was 63 percent of the Android market last I checked. 63 percent of Android's 79 percent marketshare was Samsung. Every phone they've released that I know of in the last 4 years has been a Galaxy device. That leaves Samsung with over 48 percent of global marketshare and the Galaxy devices would have to encompass at least 40 percent of that.

 

[z33dev33l]

If Apple had covered the low-end market, instead of just premium devices, I believe that percentages would be majorly different. A lot of those people in other countries cannot afford an iPhone, so they have to go with cheaper phones such as Android and Windows budget phones. It also applies to the U.S.customers.

I agree. If they hit the low end they'd have a lot more of the PC market as well. They're a good company that provides good devices. I simply acknowledge their shortcomings as well as their strengths as I do with any OS.

 

[pappy53]

Sales of Samsung Galaxy S exceeded 200 million units | KitGuru

Apple recently reached 500,000,000.

 

[JeffDenver]

You can all argue until the cows fail to come home about who copied who, and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.

Yes now that Apple is copying, it is time to stop talking about copying.

 

[JeffDenver]

Sales of Samsung Galaxy S exceeded 200 million units | KitGuru

Apple recently reached 500,000,000.

I'm sure Apple's huge head start had nothing to do with it. It is totally an Apples to Apples comparison.

 

[JeffDenver]

Saying the specs are better is really opinion though. Higher, yes but there's no denying that Apple's A-series chips are phenomenal and have consistently raised the bar in terms of GPU performance on a mobile device.

There is no arguing that more PPI is better. There is no arguing that more resolution is better.

There is not even any arguing that samsung's quality is better.

Specs don't matter though, it's how you use them.

LOL

That must be why Apple increases it's iPhone specs every generation. Because specs don't matter. The iPhone 4S had all the specs you could need, so the 5 and 5S must be unnecessary, right?