Have you seen this Motorola Technical Bulletin?

They even said in that bulletin the headphone whine is an issue they are working on, so how is that not "a bug"?

Your delusional if you think this phone is perfect. I love my bionic, but like all new devices it has bugs that need (and are being) worked out.

Read his post again. He said that HE doesn't have the whine.
 
Just got word that the update will make u loose root. My guess is because it has a new baseband. So that will prevent u from flashing back with fastboot files since I don't believe it includes in fastboot. But if the TBH crew has the file they hopefully can there magic like they did on the Droid X.

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I came from a Black Berry Storm2 and use all the accessories ie chargers usb cables ect on my Bionic just fine. Check the v. and amp output on your chargers, they should be very very close to what came in the Bionic box..
 
I came from a Black Berry Storm2 and use all the accessories ie chargers usb cables ect on my Bionic just fine. Check the v. and amp output on your chargers, they should be very very close to what came in the Bionic box..


Exactly. I realize I'm not the most technically knowledgable individual on these forums, but my basic understanding (along with just some common sense I would think) tells me that this whole "The XT875 can only be charged/used with Motorola or Verizon Wireless branded chargers/cables" doesn't make ANY sense what-so-ever. This phone (just like practically EVERY other phone that is sold these days) charge via a microUSB port. Last time I checked, the "U" in USB stood for UNIVERSAL.

Universal - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

#5 on that link sums it up pretty nicely

" adapted or adjustable to meet varied requirements (as of use, shape, or size)"
 
The only issues I have are the whine (which I only notice with headphones and not when in my car's aux port) and SD card issues. I used to be able to use Amazon MP3 and Doggcatcher to download my files to SD card. Now they go to the phone's internal storage. Yet Amazon MP3 still detects the music on my card, which I'm guessing has more to do with how Android scans for media files. I don't see how these apps can handle file management on the SD card just fine on every other phone, especially GB phones, yet the Bionic is "working as intended." All the default installation files go to my internal storage now. Nothing is sent to the SD card like it used to be. Basically my SD card is like a floppy disc to manually move files to and from now.

At least they're fixing the whine...
 
Exactly. I realize I'm not the most technically knowledgable individual on these forums, but my basic understanding (along with just some common sense I would think) tells me that this whole "The XT875 can only be charged/used with Motorola or Verizon Wireless branded chargers/cables" doesn't make ANY sense what-so-ever. This phone (just like practically EVERY other phone that is sold these days) charge via a microUSB port. Last time I checked, the "U" in USB stood for UNIVERSAL.

Universal - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

#5 on that link sums it up pretty nicely

" adapted or adjustable to meet varied requirements (as of use, shape, or size)"

By design, the Bionic has only been tested to work with Motorola oem. It does not mean it won't work with other accessories. It's like saying that exhaust systems on a car has issues. By design, the car was tuned to stock exhaust. The car manufacturers aren't going to take responsibility for the third party exhaust manufacturers inability to adapt to the vehicle itself.

And just because something is USB does not mean it must work universally. The connection may be universal, but the support/drivers for the item must be there and it still has to perform at the level the device requires. If the USB charger is designed to put out less power than Motorola's required power, Motorola isn't going to care because they provided a charger that meets their requirements.

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The connection may be universal, but the support/drivers for the item must be there and it still has to perform at the level the device requires. If the USB charger is designed to put out less power than Motorola's required power, Motorola isn't going to care because they provided a charger that meets their requirements.

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charging is pretty straightforward, thru any USB charger. Either the charger has enough current to supply adequate charging power to a device, or it doesn't. Nothing "proprietary" is going on, during such a process. Nor are drivers an issue, my friend. Not for charging.
 
charging is pretty straightforward, thru any USB charger. Either the charger has enough current to supply adequate charging power to a device, or it doesn't. Nothing "proprietary" is going on, during such a process. Nor are drivers an issue, my friend. Not for charging.

I know. But to throw out a blanket statement saying usb is universal and everything should work with it is wrong. I was mainly clarifying that just because it charges by usb, doesn't mean all chargers are universal.

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I know. But to throw out a blanket statement saying usb is universal and everything should work with it is wrong. I was mainly clarifying that just because it charges by usb, doesn't mean all chargers are universal.

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Using Moto's USB charger and their cable I have zero issues charging.

Using Moto's USB charger and a generic cable - I want one that was longer than the 3 inches Moto gives us... (a decent, but not expensive one bought on Amazon Prime), I get the touchscreen interference and it won't recognize properly where I'm putting my finger.

So I'm with you, there is some difference.
 
ROFL...well that stock cable is pretty short.:D

LOL! yes, it is very short...but it's at least 6", don't you agree? LOL!!! seriously, it's the shortest cable I can remember receiving with any cell phone charger.
 
I was shocked when I plugged it in. But the travel charger is much longer.

On a side note, people are getting ridiculous on other sites that posted this list of things. I'm glad we're behaving here. Droid life posted it, and now their post is going stupid about the issue. Thank you everyone here for not inducing a baby punching rage within me. :-P

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charging is pretty straightforward, thru any USB charger. Either the charger has enough current to supply adequate charging power to a device, or it doesn't. Nothing "proprietary" is going on, during such a process. Nor are drivers an issue, my friend. Not for charging.

Actually, its not completely straightforward. USB specs only require 500mA. As such, devices that can consume more current need to know the USB host it is plugged into can provide more than 500mA so that it can safely request it. AFAIK, there are 2 methods for this and from my own testing on the Incredible, DX and Bionic, there is no consistency between manufacturers. The Incredible used a simple data signal short, while Motorola used the more complicated version outlined in the USB spec. Where this becomes relevant is that the Incredible could not draw more than 500mA from a dedicated charger that used the more complicated signal while the 2 Motorola phones drew 750mA. Conversely, the HTC pulled 850mA from its OE charger while the Motorola phones would only pull ~650mA from the Incredible's charger. Moreover, even chargers rated to 1A or even 2.1A would not yield their maximum currents. It would appear the phone will limit the current to a specified maximum regardless of what it is plugged into. Admittedly, my testing was brief and not comprehensive enough to test all states of the phones, but it would appear that there are differences that may have a drastic effect on the charging times despite the current ratings on the charger.
 
Actually, its not completely straightforward. USB specs only require 500mA. As such, devices that can consume more current need to know the USB host it is plugged into can provide more than 500mA so that it can safely request it. AFAIK, there are 2 methods for this and from my own testing on the Incredible, DX and Bionic, there is no consistency between manufacturers. The Incredible used a simple data signal short, while Motorola used the more complicated version outlined in the USB spec. Where this becomes relevant is that the Incredible could not draw more than 500mA from a dedicated charger that used the more complicated signal while the 2 Motorola phones drew 750mA. Conversely, the HTC pulled 850mA from its OE charger while the Motorola phones would only pull ~650mA from the Incredible's charger. Moreover, even chargers rated to 1A or even 2.1A would not yield their maximum currents. It would appear the phone will limit the current to a specified maximum regardless of what it is plugged into. Admittedly, my testing was brief and not comprehensive enough to test all states of the phones, but it would appear that there are differences that may have a drastic effect on the charging times despite the current ratings on the charger.

As I stated earlier, three non-Moto chargers of mine, chosen at random, all charge the phone. No need for exhaustive testing--just plug the sucker in and see if it charges. :)
 
I wouldn't rely on a promise form Moto/Verizon on a fix coming in November 2011. Look at the Xoom 4G fiasco. Look at how long it took them just to get this phone to this state. They HAD to release this phone because they showed it at CITA in January. I bet if this phone wasn't there it would have been scraped.
 
I wouldn't rely on a promise form Moto/Verizon on a fix coming in November 2011. Look at the Xoom 4G fiasco. Look at how long it took them just to get this phone to this state. They HAD to release this phone because they showed it at CITA in January. I bet if this phone wasn't there it would have been scraped.

I don't personally "rely" on updates to bring a device to a level that I require. If something doesn't work well enough to meet my minimum requirements, I march it back to the store for refund. The Bionic hardly falls into that classification, in MY EXPERIENCE. Others may feel differently, and I understand their concerns. If/when I see an update, it's not going to revolutionize my life--it will be anticlimatic, as I have no deal-breaker issues using my Bionic.
 
I don't personally "rely" on updates to bring a device to a level that I require. If something doesn't work well enough to meet my minimum requirements, I march it back to the store for refund. The Bionic hardly falls into that classification, in MY EXPERIENCE. Others may feel differently, and I understand their concerns. If/when I see an update, it's not going to revolutionize my life--it will be anticlimatic, as I have no deal-breaker issues using my Bionic.

Ditto and I own a 'xoom shoulda been 4g.' I truly believe that moto held the phone back to avoid another xoom fiasco and I think they did ok.

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I have my memory swapped so I don't have that issue I already new about hand of issue

You have your memory swapped?

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As I stated earlier, three non-Moto chargers of mine, chosen at random, all charge the phone. No need for exhaustive testing--just plug the sucker in and see if it charges. :)

My point is that it is NOT necessarily that simple. That even if the charger is rated to provide adequate current, the phone may not accept its maximum current draw. If the current flow rates I observed remained consistent throughout the charge process, the DX and Bionic would charge about 13% slower on the HTC charger (assuming the entire current is used for charging the battery). Probably not a significant problem for most people but for power users that may rely on small bump charges on their drive to work/home to get them through the day, it might be critical. Could be even more important for people who use battery intensive applications while driving/charging. If the running apps draw 500mA then that may only leave 250mA available to charge the battery. 100mA less than that is a 40% difference. That would probably be significant to a lot more people...