He Chose...Poorly

[Revolutionary]

Not just the phone. I don't care if the iphone was the greatest phone in every aspect, I'm still not switching to AT&T

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I'm really Apple ambivalent. The iPhone is fine -- I love Android (especially coming from BBOS), and I'm sure I'd be fine having an iPhone -- but AT&T is pure sh!te.

 

[Judgment Tay#AC]

iphone had me, but...

Their AT&T exclusivity is going to be the death of them. I've been with Verizon for 10 years. I have 4 lines on my plan, and could never switch without paying insane fees. I spent the past 3 years using a BlackBerry, and suffocating with iphone envy. A few months ago, I upgraded to the DInc, and I could not be any happier. Android is constantly evolving, and my phone gets better and better with each app I discover. Widgets, and taskbar, and Nav, oh my!

If Apple had spread the wealth to other carriers, I would have bought an iphone the instant it was released, and would never have eyed another phone. But they left me out to dry...so I went with their stiffest competition and I will never look back. Sorry, Apple, you lost this battle.

Be open, and be available to everyone. That's why Android is going to FLY by iphone in the next couple years.

 

[Qazme]

Their AT&T exclusivity is going to be the death of them. I've been with Verizon for 10 years. I have 4 lines on my plan, and could never switch without paying insane fees. I spent the past 3 years using a BlackBerry, and suffocating with iphone envy. A few months ago, I upgraded to the DInc, and I could not be any happier. Android is constantly evolving, and my phone gets better and better with each app I discover. Widgets, and taskbar, and Nav, oh my!

If Apple had spread the wealth to other carriers, I would have bought an iphone the instant it was released, and would never have eyed another phone. But they left me out to dry...so I went with their stiffest competition and I will never look back. Sorry, Apple, you lost this battle.

Be open, and be available to everyone. That's why Android is going to FLY by iphone in the next couple years.

Yeah if they lose the exclusivity deal it won't kill AT&T but it will hurt them because a lot of people blame the iPhones issues on the network. I couldn't imagine Apple not wanting to branch out to other US carrier because it's just more cash in pocket for them in doing it because a lot of people refuse to swap their carrier no matter who they are using. In Europe the iPhone is on multiple carriers and it sells very very well over there. I wanted an iPhone when the 3G came out. But got over it because I wasn't going to swap back to AT&T's crappy service. Then I started looking at Android devices and it just looks stupid to still want an iPhone in comparison.

As far as Android
"FLYING" by IOS in a couple years.....it already has.

Quote from 7/21/2010 article linked above.

On a worldwide scale, a survey from Canalys has shown Android shipments hitting a rise of 886% second quarter this year. Androids market share during the first quarter was just around 2.8 percent, and that considerably grew to 17.1 percent in just three months. Nokia Symbian still leads worldwide shipments with a share of 43.5 percent and RIM Blackberry a far second with 18 percent. Apple’s share remains almost static at 13.7 percent. This effectively lets Android take the third spot from Apple’s iPhone

Quote from 8/6/2010

NPD, for instance, states that during the second quarter of 2010, 33% of smartphones sold in the US were were running Android, compared to 28% for RIM, and 22% for the iPhone.

And any 'presentation' isn't complete without a graph. This one from Nielson:

 

[I am138]

I'm not going to quote them all, but there are allot of really good points out there. I to am a post Iphone owner, and there are things that i defiantly miss about it, and things that it does better than the Incredible. I dont expect every phone to be flawless, and if my Incredible turns out to be a piece of s#!t, dont think I wont kick it to the curb as well.

 

[Qazme]

I'm not going to quote them all, but there are allot of really good points out there. I to am a post Iphone owner, and there are things that i defiantly miss about it, and things that it does better than the Incredible. I dont expect every phone to be flawless, and if my Incredible turns out to be a piece of s#!t, dont think I wont kick it to the curb as well.

Couldn't agree with you more!

 

[I am138]

As far as AT&T I never had any problem with them. When my first Iphone wouldn't send or receive calls, I called Apple, they said it was AT&T. I called AT&T, they told me that there were 8 towers with in one mile of my location.(My Iphone showed full bars while not sending, or receiving calls.) Yet again Apple passing the buck. Customer service was great. In fact when my wife went way over her minutes and got a $400 bill, they wiped it almost all out. They did that for her twice.

 

[Qoheleth]

My initial response is usually "To each his own. We all have varied criteria for selecting our phones, etc., etc., etc."

But... the iPhone does have it's share of caveats which I think all but fanboys will agree seriously limit it. More importantly, the limitations are almost entirely self-imposed by Apple.

We do owe the iPhone a debt of gratitude for showing what could be done with a smartphone but all the best of it has been incorporated into other devices now, without the worst of it.

 

[I am138]

My initial response is usually "To each his own. We all have varied criteria for selecting our phones, etc., etc., etc."

But... the iPhone does have it's share of caveats which I think all but fanboys will agree seriously limit it. More importantly, the limitations are almost entirely self-imposed by Apple.

We do owe the iPhone a debt of gratitude for showing what could be done with a smartphone but all the best of it has been incorporated into other devices now, without the worst of it.

Thats pretty much right on the money.
Apple should have stuck with their original plan for the Iphone, let Motorola build it.

 

[Qazme]

My initial response is usually "To each his own. We all have varied criteria for selecting our phones, etc., etc., etc."

But... the iPhone does have it's share of caveats which I think all but fanboys will agree seriously limit it. More importantly, the limitations are almost entirely self-imposed by Apple.

We do owe the iPhone a debt of gratitude for showing what could be done with a smartphone but all the best of it has been incorporated into other devices now, without the worst of it.

All the iPhone did was bring us more manufacturers building touch screen only smart phones. Most of the things they 'envisioned' where done on a Blackberry way before. The iPod stuff was built in which was different but everything else had already been done on either Palm, Windows Mobile or Blackberry. So they brought us the touchscreen phase which has been great and better media players which can be nice!

Thats pretty much right on the money.
Apple should have stuck with their original plan for the Iphone, let Motorola build it.

Eck no! I hate almost everything Motorola has ever produced. I haven't had a reliable Motorola phone since the first 3 color flip phone they put out in 99-2000.

 

[I am138]

All the iPhone did was bring us more manufacturers building touch screen only smart phones. Most of the things they 'envisioned' where done on a Blackberry way before. The iPod stuff was built in which was different but everything else had already been done on either Palm, Windows Mobile or Blackberry. So they brought us the touchscreen phase which has been great and better media players which can be nice!

The Iphone did set the standard for smart phones today, and with out it we wouldn't have Incredible's.( Although, didn't HTC have the first touch screen phone?) How ever I think the argument really comes down to this; the Iphone inst the titan it was when it first came out. It has had a relatively slow evolution compared to Android phones. In fact the Iphone ui is pretty much exactly the same as it was when first released.(Other than folders, and multitasking with 4.0) To date you can only get one Iphone from one carrier, as opposed to several Android phone on, I think, every carrier. That alone is going to really impact the future of Iphone.

 

[tony bag o donuts]

Only moto that I ever liked was the q9m...that thing was slow and solid.....never an issue, unless you drop a glass of ice tea on it...

Anyhow...the treo line was great...touch and physical keypad, which everyone seemed to want to get away from, but now we have that style on all platforms except the iphone.

Say what you will, the iphone gang will always be on iphones per se, but just the fact that people bought the device in droves forced other companies to go further, some more than others. Palm, sad to see you go, but you will. WM? too little to late IMHO. BB? always in the corp sector but their attempts at personal users with multimedia, etc. are behind.

It's down to android vs iphone and there is no clear cut winner.

Why? Because the iphone is what it is. You know what you are getting with the os, the way apple operates, etc.
It's one device per year.

Android has so many form factors, etc which are great, but it also makes it harder for updates. Iphone had the updates for the signal meter addressed in what days? I see Android possibly falling into the BB mold of well you have os 5.0.1.1.34.01 and I have 5.0.1.1.35.02 and Google is attempting to avoid that by introducing their own UI.

 

[mfj]

I personally think that the Original Blackberry Storm OWNS ALL!

 

[Qazme]

The Iphone did set the standard for smart phones today, and with out it we wouldn't have Incredible's.( Although, didn't HTC have the first touch screen phone?) How ever I think the argument really comes down to this; the Iphone inst the titan it was when it first came out. It has had a relatively slow evolution compared to Android phones. In fact the Iphone ui is pretty much exactly the same as it was when first released.(Other than folders, and multitasking with 4.0) To date you can only get one Iphone from one carrier, as opposed to several Android phone on, I think, every carrier. That alone is going to really impact the future of Iphone.

Well in my opinion, it didn't set the standard it made it popular. At one time you wouldn't have been able to give away a touchscreen only phone. People didn't trust them because at the time the keyboard BB was THE way to go. In fact i took till the 3G for BB to realize, "opps we need a touchscreen!". Either way iPhone did make the craze hit off in a big way and I'm glad it did.

Only moto that I ever liked was the q9m...that thing was slow and solid.....never an issue, unless you drop a glass of ice tea on it...

Anyhow...the treo line was great...touch and physical keypad, which everyone seemed to want to get away from, but now we have that style on all platforms except the iphone.

Say what you will, the iphone gang will always be on iphones per se, but just the fact that people bought the device in droves forced other companies to go further, some more than others. Palm, sad to see you go, but you will. WM? too little to late IMHO. BB? always in the corp sector but their attempts at personal users with multimedia, etc. are behind.

It's down to android vs iphone and there is no clear cut winner.

Why? Because the iphone is what it is. You know what you are getting with the os, the way apple operates, etc.
It's one device per year.

Android has so many form factors, etc which are great, but it also makes it harder for updates. Iphone had the updates for the signal meter addressed in what days? I see Android possibly falling into the BB mold of well you have os 5.0.1.1.34.01 and I have 5.0.1.1.35.02 and Google is attempting to avoid that by introducing their own UI.

Well as of right now nobody can declare victory. But with the shear number of devices running Android, the customization etc., once the App market gets caught up with all the really popular devs from the Android world we will be closer to a winner. As of right now in my opinion if Apple doesn't do something wildly different with the next incarnation of the iPhone, and no I don't mean bring it to Verizon, then they will soon be in the same boat as the BB. Remember once upon a time you weren't cool unless you had a BB. What about now? heh.

I personally think that the Original Blackberry Storm OWNS ALL!

I hope that was your attempt at a horrible joke. When I first got my Storm I was happy with it. Up until I got my Incredible I was happy with it. Now that I know better it is now considered one of the worst phones I ever had. Then it was installing hybrid O/S's to hopefully make the phone run like it should. Now it's flashing ROMs because I want to, not because I need to. Think I'll stick with my Inc.

 

[tony bag o donuts]

I know people who have the S1 no issue..and I have even touched them and they still work.

Qazme, I agree 100% folders and MT were half baked in this release and they need to have widgets, etc.

I just meant that so many flavors of android out there might overwhelm would be buyers, where as with the iphone, people know what they aren't ( ) getting.

 

[Qazme]

I know people who have the S1 no issue..and I have even touched them and they still work.

Qazme, I agree 100% folders and MT were half baked in this release and they need to have widgets, etc.

I just meant that so many flavors of android out there might overwhelm would be buyers, where as with the iphone, people know what they aren't ( ) getting.

I never had issues with my Storms either as long as I rebooted them once a week or so. Battery life was excellent and the speed was ok as long as I wasn't web browsing, which is more the fault of the browser than the phone hardware. BUT to be able to free up some room for added free memory / ram I had to run optimized hybrids etc. With the hybrids it worked perfect. Up until the day before I got my Inc in from the Fedex man, then it got to were it would randomly shut off etc. So glad I don't have it anymore.

I agree with the amount of phones on the market it may shy less than educated buyers away from Android and to a more tried and true, more well known phone. Especially with the hype machine behind the iPhone. But I forsee a future with an iPhone on Verizon and it will not be the miracle fix for the iPhone dropped call problems that people think it will be. Because after all as bad as I hate AT&T, GSM is ahead in tech than CDMA. Will be SOOO happy when Verizon finally swaps off CDMA and onto LTE! (Wouldn't it be ironic if the Verizon iPhone was one of the first LTE phones for Verizon, would be a great selling point for both Apple and Verizon....hummm.)

 

[tony bag o donuts]

I thought the iphone on Big Red would be LTE? I agree my young patawan, Qazme

I do prefer cdma over gsm....call quality wise.

Also, I know it's a verizon thing, but I wish all carriers had that second quick beep when you call someone and it let's you know that they are on a call.

 

[Qazme]

I thought the iphone on Big Red would be LTE? I agree my young patawan, Qazme

I do prefer cdma over gsm....call quality wise.

Also, I know it's a verizon thing, but I wish all carriers had that second quick beep when you call someone and it let's you know that they are on a call.

We don't know what the iPhone 'would be on Verizon'. There has been no confirmation if or when it will ever even come to Verizon! Personally I could care less if it does I don't want one now to begin with lol. But I assume if it happens it would be when LTE starts rolling out.

 

[Joker35]

to each their own... put this own uses a droid phone.

 

[torifile]

Being a fanboy means that you automatically assume that someone who chooses differently than you would have/did chose poorly. Cf. this thread. Having a preference doesn't make you a fanboy. Liking both doesn't make you an equivocator.

As I said, I have, and like, both. When I want to listen to music or browse the web, I use my iPhone. When I need directions or need to use Google Voice, I use my Nexus. Use each tool to its strengths. That's the only reasonable way to be a consumer.