Hey LG....take my money.....please!

[Aquila]

School me because I see nothing that's jumps out at me other than the possibility of faster updates. I'm not suggesting it's a bad choice but nothing stands out for me to say I would take this over the V20. I would take it over the Note 7 or iPhone but I'm not a fan of either one. Truthfully I won't consider a phone without a dual rear camera at this point and I'm not even big on camera phones.

Better camera, very equivalent audio, better software, better security, assistant, updates, actually available, better display, better processor, 128 GB storage, I'm sure there are others. There's also a con list. Everything is preferences.

 

[Almeuit]

School me because I see nothing that's jumps out at me other than the possibility of faster updates. I'm not suggesting it's a bad choice but nothing stands out for me to say I would take this over the V20. I would take it over the Note 7 or iPhone but I'm not a fan of either one. Truthfully I won't consider a phone without a dual rear camera at this point and I'm not even big on camera phones.

School what?.. And why? You just said you won't consider a phone of dual cameras so why should I explain myself? I was just telling the guy I disagreed with his statement.

 

[irvine752]

School what?.. And why? You just said you won't consider a phone of dual cameras so why should I explain myself? I was just telling the guy I disagreed with his statement.

Since you disagreed with his statement, tell us why you think the V20 is "not" superior to the Pixel XL.

 

[Almeuit]

Since you disagreed with his statement, tell us why you think the V20 is "not" superior to the Pixel XL.

I never said it was superior in any way did I? I just said I disagree and happen to like the pixel. I like what they presented and the camera looks like it'll suite my needs. I like updates (although never a real requirement for me) and I am really intrigued to try out Google assistant.

 

[Mooncatt]

Considering my luck with updates, I'd consider slow/non-existent updates to be a good thing with a phone!

 

[irvine752]

I never said it was superior in any way did I? I just said I disagree and happen to like the pixel. I like what they presented and the camera looks like it'll suite my needs. I like updates (although never a real requirement for me) and I am really intrigued to try out Google assistant.

No you didn't & at the same time I can't fault you for having an opinion on something. I was thinking you were going to give us some solid non-desputable facts to play with. Anyway, the camera looks greats, but honestly the gap in camera quality between all the flagship phones is getting really small to notice the difference. You would really have to get a dedicated camera setup to see a major improvement. The Google Assistant looks sweet, but it's a software enhancement & just a matter of time till it's offerered on all the android phones most likely as an update. Since they're charging 800+ for this, I would expect something really special.

 

[Almeuit]

No you didn't & at the same time I can't fault you for having an opinion on something. I was thinking you were going to give us some solid non-desputable facts to play with. Anyway, the camera looks greats, but honestly the gap in camera quality between all the flagship phones is getting really small to notice the difference. You would really have to get a dedicated camera setup to see a major improvement. The Google Assistant looks sweet, but it's a software enhancement & just a matter of time till it's offerered on all the android phones most likely as an update. Since they're charging 800+ for this, I would expect something really special.

It may not be offered to other Android devices. No one knows for sure yet but the guys wrote about it here.

http://www.androidcentral.com/some-new-features-shown-launch-event-are-pixel-only

Also for me the money isn't the biggest factor since I already had that money planned out to spend. I was trying to get a phone to settle with for at least a year or more. I bought the Note 7 and I'd still have it if it wasn't for the recall... But since there was one I returned it for a full refund and waited for the next phone to peak my interest. LG would have gotten my money but just kind of stalled and so the Pixel gets it since I like what I saw.

I get some may not agree with me and that's okay. Just like I don't agree with some of my friends who wouldn't dare consider anything not Apple. My mod/ambassador team and I all agree one one thing... To buy what you love and love what you buy.. Not what others want. Luckily with Android we have these choices versus an iPhone 6 or iPhone 7 .

 

[Mike Dee]

School what?.. And why? You just said you won't consider a phone of dual cameras so why should I explain myself? I was just telling the guy I disagreed with his statement.

I'm not being confrontational. I'm looking for the compelling reasons to chose this phone over any of the top contenders? What do you see that I'm missing?

 

[Almeuit]

I'm not being confrontational. I'm looking for the compelling reasons to chose this phone over any of the top contenders? What do you see that I'm missing?

See posts above .

 

[irvine752]

It may not be offered to other Android devices. No one knows for sure yet but the guys wrote about it here.

Pixel keeping some exclusive features when other phones get Android 7.1 | Android Central

Also for me the money isn't the biggest factor since I already had that money planned out to spend. I was trying to get a phone to settle with for at least a year or more. I bought the Note 7 and I'd still have it if it wasn't for the recall... But since there was one I returned it for a full refund and waited for the next phone to peak my interest. LG would have gotten my money but just kind of stalled and so the Pixel gets it since I like what I saw.

I get some may not agree with me and that's okay. Just like I don't agree with some of my friends who wouldn't dare consider anything not Apple. My mod/ambassador team and I all agree one one thing... To buy what you love and love what you buy.. Not what others want. Luckily with Android we have these choices versus an iPhone 6 or iPhone 7 .

I love that line "To buy what you love and love what you buy.." So anyway long story short...I think you would agree that the main feature with the Pixel Phones is the Google Assistant right? Jerry did a semi-decent job summarizing the features with that article, but he missed the big picture. The Pixel Phones are really prototypes for any new features from Google (some would argue more so like the Nexus phones). The Google Assistant is not fully ready for prime time. Google really wants this feature to be on as many devices as possible because they want as many opportunities as possible to monetize search results, collect user data & etc. That is why the code for Google Assistant is an open platform. If they wanted this to be strictly for Pixel it wouldn't be an open platform. The whole point of having an open platform is to integrate it into as many devices as possible in the near future. Obviously they won't admit to any of this early on especially when they want you to buy the phones. They will keep telling you it's only exclusive to Pixel blah blah lol.....food for thought.

 

[Almeuit]

I love that line "To buy what you love and love what you buy.." So anyway long story short...I think you would agree that the main feature with the Pixel Phones is the Google Assistant right? Jerry did a semi-decent job summarizing the features with that article, but he missed the big picture. The Pixel Phones are really prototypes for any new features from Google (some would argue more so like the Nexus phones). The Google Assistant is not fully ready for prime time. Google really wants this feature to be on as many devices as possible because they want as many opportunities as possible to monetize search results, collect user data & etc. That is why the code for Google Assistant is an open platform. If they wanted this to be strictly for Pixel it wouldn't be an open platform. The whole point of having an open platform is to integrate it into as many devices as possible in the near future. Obviously they won't admit to any of this early on especially when they want you to buy the phones. They will keep telling you it's only exclusive to Pixel blah blah lol.....food for thought.

It also has an awesome camera and gets updated. While not the biggest they're nice perks. As I said I bought the Note 7 so I have the money already set aside so .. How am I hurting myself in regards to getting it? What insane feature am I missing on from the V20 that buying the Pixel just is the worst idea ever? They already collect my data as I allow them to do whatever since I don't mind. That stuff doesn't bother me.

 

[irvine752]

It also has an awesome camera and gets updated. While not the biggest they're nice perks. As I said I bought the Note 7 so I have the money already set aside so .. How am I hurting myself in regards to getting it? What insane feature am I missing on from the V20 that buying the Pixel just is the worst idea ever? They already collect my data as I allow them to do whatever since I don't mind. That stuff doesn't bother me.

If I were you I would wait out to try both phones in person. All the features on these smartphones are more for convinience (to carry one device that does it all). None of them are meant to replace dedicated devices. The camera you mentioned is not that great, the qualitative margins are really small.
If look you at some samples <https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Pixel-smartphone-camera-review-At-the-top> you really can't tell which photos belong to which flagship device if all the text labels were off. If you're really big into picture quality, shutter, aperture, like playing manual control & a versatile lens.....don't even bother with a phone, get a dedicated camera for around 200-300 bucks that can clearly beat out the Pixel & the V20......why settle for less when you can get something more for your money?

 

[rushmore]

I looked at the Pixel. 128 GB would be nice, but I'm pretty sure it was Google themselves trying to steer everyone away from SD card support, not to mention I didn't see anything real inspiring for me in that phone. So not for me, especially for that price.

Google wants people to luv the cloud. Huge data mining and content control potential long term. Plus carriers get to screw people over accessing their OWN content. Great setup! Using your data streaming and downloading your own stuff. Not!

64gb internal and 256gb card FTW!!!!

 

[Almeuit]

If I were you I would wait out to try both phones in person. All the features on these smartphones are more for convinience (to carry one device that does it all). None of them are meant to replace dedicated devices. The camera you mentioned is not that great, the qualitative margins are really small.
If look you at some samples <https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Pixel-smartphone-camera-review-At-the-top> you really can't tell which photos belong to which flagship device if all the text labels were off. If you're really big into picture quality, shutter, aperture, like playing manual control & a versatile lens.....don't even bother with a phone, get a dedicated camera for around 200-300 bucks that can clearly beat out the Pixel & the V20......why settle for less when you can get something more for your money?

No I don't. I want a phone that can sit in my pocket and still take pictures.. Not a dedicated camera. My phone is w/ me 24/7 a camera won't be. I still fail to see where you said the V20 is just miles ahead of the Pixel and I am somehow wasting my money.

I will enjoy my purchase -- enjoy your V20. It isn't that big a deal. I buy what I love .

 

[irvine752]

No I don't. I want a phone that can sit in my pocket and still take pictures.. Not a dedicated camera. My phone is w/ me 24/7 a camera won't be. I still fail to see where you said the V20 is just miles ahead of the Pixel and I am somehow wasting my money.

I will enjoy my purchase -- enjoy your V20. It isn't that big a deal. I buy what I love .

Fair enough, if you want to stick with the convenience of a phone that's perfectly fine. Yes, the V20 is miles ahead of the Pixel XL, the overall package it offers is much better. The biggest draw with the Pixel is the so called amazing camera. But guess what? The V20 camera is actually better, (16MP f/1.8 + 8MP f/2.4 rear with OIS, laser & PDAF 5MP f/1.9 front) >> (12.3MP f/2.0 rear 8MP front). Some other features that come on the V20 that you won't find on the Pixel phones ( microSD slots, a quad DAC that can only be rivaled by a DAP, a bigger screen, a second screen display for notiications, wide angle lens, dedicated mics for HD recording with isolation, a removable battery, MIL-STD-810G certified)...should I keep on going?......Also keep in mind the resale value for the Pixel is going to be horrid especially once those exclusive software ehancements with Google Assistant & etc wear off.

 

[Almeuit]

Fair enough, if you want to stick with the convenience of a phone, that's perfectly fine

We can agree to disagree .

 

[RaRa85]

Honestly as awesome as the V20 looks I will not upgrade unless they provide a reasonable explanation as to why they delayed giving us basic information about the release a full month after the announcement. It is simply unacceptable. I will keep my V10 until next fall like I originally planned and then go from there. If they release a statement saying that they had to fix some critical issue that delayed the release I'll happily accept that. But if they just announce pricing and availability without some valid explanation about all the time they wasted they can keep their V20. Me and the V10 will carry on plus I just ordered the legendary Lumia 1020 to round out my collection and also as a backup phone just in case this unit falls to boot loop like my last one. The serial number is different from the number of V10's that had the boot loop issues though so I'm hopeful this one will make it to the finish line. LG blew it big time. I can't justify upgrading from a perfectly working phone to the V20 when they pull a stunt like this.

 

[SupraLB]

I don't blame you. I am buying the Pixel XL if its available first, which it appears it will be. My G5's volume button stopped working and its driving me nuts, and LG service is terrible.

 

[Aquila]

Fair enough, if you want to stick with the convenience of a phone that's perfectly fine. Yes, the V20 is miles ahead of the Pixel XL, the overall package it offers is much better. The biggest draw with the Pixel is the so called amazing camera. But guess what? The V20 camera is actually better, (16MP f/1.8 + 8MP f/2.4 rear with OIS, laser & PDAF 5MP f/1.9 front) >> (12.3MP f/2.0 rear 8MP front). Some other features that come on the V20 that you won't find on the Pixel phones ( microSD slots, a quad DAC that can only be rivaled by a DAP, a bigger screen, a second screen display for notiications, wide angle lens, dedicated mics for HD recording with isolation, a removable battery, MIL-STD-810G certified)...should I keep on going?......Also keep in mind the resale value for the Pixel is going to be horrid especially once those exclusive software ehancements with Google Assistant & etc wear off.

I agree with many of your bullet points, but the only one of them that's a priority to me is that Quad DAC. I don't believe at all that the V20 camera is better until that's proven.

Did the V20 switch to AMOLED? If not that's a second priority that they'd miss on.

Third priority, from a design standpoint, removable battery and microSD are both mistakes IMO and so on that front, the Pixel XL is doing better with more internal storage and a larger sealed battery.

Fourth priority, software, software updates, assistant, etc, etc. Don't think anyone will claim that LG's software is beating out Google's, but we can try.

Fifth, and above all, security. Google wins here hands down. The LG V20 is the one phone that comes closest to matching Google here, but the monthly updates will lag behind and it doesn't sound like the V20 has seamless updates, which makes it somewhat likely to EOL on Nougat.

So, LG V20 wins on Audio, Pixel XL wins on Screen, Storage, SoC, Software, Security, Battery Size, probably battery life (smaller screen, amoled, better software) and camera is unknown, but the only data we have is that the Pixel XL just rocked the camera standings and the V20 hasn't been reported on.

 

[SupraLB]

Fair enough, if you want to stick with the convenience of a phone that's perfectly fine. Yes, the V20 is miles ahead of the Pixel XL, the overall package it offers is much better. The biggest draw with the Pixel is the so called amazing camera. But guess what? The V20 camera is actually better, (16MP f/1.8 + 8MP f/2.4 rear with OIS, laser & PDAF 5MP f/1.9 front) >> (12.3MP f/2.0 rear 8MP front). Some other features that come on the V20 that you won't find on the Pixel phones ( microSD slots, a quad DAC that can only be rivaled by a DAP, a bigger screen, a second screen display for notiications, wide angle lens, dedicated mics for HD recording with isolation, a removable battery, MIL-STD-810G certified)...should I keep on going?......Also keep in mind the resale value for the Pixel is going to be horrid especially once those exclusive software ehancements with Google Assistant & etc wear off.

I would not declare V20 a better camera by listing specs. Its good and certainly one of the best out there. The biggest selling point to me is the wide angle camera - which are incrediblly useful. However, I was very dissapointed they didnt upgrade that 8mp sensor. I have the G5, and the wide angle shots look great on my camera or tablet, but on my 30" monitor, they look grainy and not crisp.

Here are some V20 versus Pixel shots. In this brief test, the Pixel is the clear winner.
Shootout: How good is the new Pixel XL camera? - Android Authority