[How To] [Discussion] Improve Battery Life

It seems like opinions vary on whether or not the phone uses more battery power with Wi-Fi or 3G. I have the phone set to Wi-Fi when I'm at home with my wireless network. When I leave I switch to 3G so my phone doesn't search for wireless networks to join.

Does Wi-Fi under those conditions use more power or does turning it off when away from home avoid that?

Even after following the steps in this forum topic I still feel like the battery drains more quickly than I'd like. My answer to that is to leave it plugged in when I'm at home and am sitting at the computer with the phone right next to me. Might as well...

I guess it's all about expectations. Maybe I'm expecting too much but I don't like to see it get down to 30% every day. My screen uses about 85% of the power. Pretty will cost ya!

wifi uses more power. there is no debating that. it is a fact. there is a sleep issue with hardware on froyo. that may have something to do with it. but in the end, its an itty bitty battery that powers a freakin mini computer, the battery is gonna suck.

i also like stuff to look cool, so i keep my screen at 100%. i have these:

2x 1500mah BATTERY + CHARGER FOR Samsung FASCINATE I500 on eBay.ca (item 160547990061 end time 20-Mar-11 05:40:55 EDT)

they wont charge in the phone, you have to use the stand alone charger that comes with them, but they seem to keep a charge longer.
 
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VERY LONG and overly wordy post about battery life

Some things to think about for this battery, as well as general knowledge for the use of these types of batteries...

The lifecycle of this battery is around 300 full discharge cycles, and upto 14 to 15 months. Some would counter, but don't. Products that I support for my company use similar technology and it works this way...

Don't let the battery die past 1% or what some call "dead". Though you can do that with this specific battery, doing it more than a couple of times, as well as letting it heat up past 100+ degrees because you left it in your car in the summer, is a bad thing. Aside of the swelling that the pack goes through, physically changes abound, you cause the battery to lose capacity. The capacity can be looked at like this:

Brand new, and conditioned, you should get 10 miles to the gallon, where miles might be hours of intermittent use. Fully discharge the battery down to 1% or 1 bar, and then fully charge it once a day, you should get 10 to 12 months of constantly doing this before you notice a decrease in capacity, which means that you're now probably at 8 miles to the gallon, or 8 hours of intermittent use. This is where it gets worse. Once you've crossed this threshold, the battery capacity drops faster and faster.

What does that mean? It means that you might see you battery make it to a fully charged state in less time than normal. This doesn't mean that your battery is better conditioned or calibrated, it just means that it takes less time to fill a tank that can only hold 8 gallons than it does 10, and the same goes for lithium ion battery technology. The good thing is that if you only charge the phone when its a 50% and once a day, your 300 days of full discharge cycles is actually 600 days for you, but once you actually make it to the 14 to 15 month, regardless of how few times or little you charge your phone, you're still going to see a drop in the quality and performance of your battery. This means that maybe you do or don't want to buy another battery as soon as you get your phone. That second battery that just sits there on the shelf isn't getting used, and when you decide to start using after having only used it a few times in a year, you'll find that you've got a soft auxiliary battery within a couple of months.

So, what else can you do to increase performance if your battery is locked into a specification like 300 cycles and 15 months?

See if the devs can find a way to allow the user to control CAM and PSP within the radio, and have it resident on the ROM somewhere. CAM keeps it awake all the time, but lower levels of PSP cause the wifi to response a bit slower because its using less power at any given time. Products my company make allow the user to do this, so why can't phone manufacturers?

Dark backgrounds for wallpaper. This screen looks great with all kinds of wallpaper that I've seen, but if you're a junkie for saving power, real black is better than bright colors and white.

Blackle.com for your google searching. Stay off those white backgrounds dammit.

Widgets that are always connected to the internet and updating your phone should be pull and not push. Pushing data to your phone consumes more power than pulls because of constant syncing and updating... unless you pull more than the phone pushes, and if you do, then you have a pulling issue and you should seek assistance.

Widgets - but I already said that, and it's important enough to say twice.

I've heard an argument saying that using Lookout security drains the battery, but I can't see it. If you don't like it, don't use it.

Juicedefender - heard that it helps and heard that it doesn't. I've used it and not, and can't find truth that' it helps much, if any. I have not delved too much into the advanced settings because I'm lazy.

Most importantly, stop dicking with the phone throughout the day. Let it charge or use it, but stop checking this and checking that and then evaluating the battery status. Watched pot while it's cooking and all that.

Lastly, according to Samsung, it shouldn't take more than 3 hours to charge your battery. If it takes longer, you may have an issue with the phone or charger, so please take that into consideration. That 3 hours is from about 1 bar or 1 %, I can't remember.

Time for me to get back to work...

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wifi uses more power. there is no debating that. it is a fact. there is a sleep issue with hardware on froyo. that may have something to do with it. but in the end, its an itty bitty battery that powers a freakin mini computer, the battery is gonna suck.

i also like stuff to look cool, so i keep my screen at 100%. i have these:

2x 1500mah BATTERY + CHARGER FOR Samsung FASCINATE I500 on eBay.ca (item 160547990061 end time 20-Mar-11 05:40:55 EDT)

they wont charge in the phone, you have to use the stand alone charger that comes with them, but they seem to keep a charge longer.

If its a choice between wifi and marginal 3g, go with the wifi. The 3g may just suck in my area, but i always get better battery life when good, strong wifi is available. I can leave my phone on wifi, overnight, and only lose 1-2% an hour. This is comparable to my experience with 3g, but the difference comes when im moving a lot of data; wifi will obviously be a lot less taxing and i notice my phone lasting a lot longer.
 
It seems like opinions vary on whether or not the phone uses more battery power with Wi-Fi or 3G. I have the phone set to Wi-Fi when I'm at home with my wireless network. When I leave I switch to 3G so my phone doesn't search for wireless networks to join.

Does Wi-Fi under those conditions use more power or does turning it off when away from home avoid that?

Even after following the steps in this forum topic I still feel like the battery drains more quickly than I'd like. My answer to that is to leave it plugged in when I'm at home and am sitting at the computer with the phone right next to me. Might as well...

I guess it's all about expectations. Maybe I'm expecting too much but I don't like to see it get down to 30% every day. My screen uses about 85% of the power. Pretty will cost ya!

Just wanted to clear up the whole 85% thing. That doesn't mean your display is sucking out 85% of your total available power, it just means that it is using 85% of the power that is being consumed at that moment. If you add up all the percentages on that screen, they should come close to 100%, & will always be about the same total percentage. The percentages for each category will just fluctuate depending on what is being used the most. So if at that particular moment, 10% of your total battery juice is being consumed, the 85% just means at that moment your display is using 85% of the 10%. Hope this makes sense & clears this up for everyone.
 
If its a choice between wifi and marginal 3g, go with the wifi. The 3g may just suck in my area, but i always get better battery life when good, strong wifi is available. I can leave my phone on wifi, overnight, and only lose 1-2% an hour. This is comparable to my experience with 3g, but the difference comes when im moving a lot of data; wifi will obviously be a lot less taxing and i notice my phone lasting a lot longer.

very true. i should have been more clear. all things being equal, wifi will consume more battery than 3g. there are 1000 other things that will effect the rf signal in your area.
 
Just wanted to clear up the whole 85% thing. That doesn't mean your display is sucking out 85% of your total available power, it just means that it is using 85% of the power that is being consumed at that moment. If you add up all the percentages on that screen, they should come close to 100%, & will always be about the same total percentage. The percentages for each category will just fluctuate depending on what is being used the most. So if at that particular moment, 10% of your total battery juice is being consumed, the 85% just means at that moment your display is using 85% of the 10%. Hope this makes sense & clears this up for everyone.

i think that the percentages are for what has used the battery since being unplugged. for instance, if you play angry birds for a while, you see angry birds using a percentage of battery. angry birds doesnt use battery power when it isnt running, so it couldnt be using power at that moment. display uses the most power usually, but not always. if you charge your phone say right before bed, unplug it, and dont use it until morning, must of the use would go to cell stand by with very little going to anything else
 
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Just wanted to clear up the whole 85% thing. That doesn't mean your display is sucking out 85% of your total available power, it just means that it is using 85% of the power that is being consumed at that moment. If you add up all the percentages on that screen, they should come close to 100%, & will always be about the same total percentage. The percentages for each category will just fluctuate depending on what is being used the most. So if at that particular moment, 10% of your total battery juice is being consumed, the 85% just means at that moment your display is using 85% of the 10%. Hope this makes sense & clears this up for everyone.

Oh yeah, I'm clear on that. I guess what it really means for me is that I don't do a lot of things on my phone that draw a lot of battery power. I use the phone a lot for various things but apparently none of them use a lot of juice. And so by simply having the screen on, that's the big draw. And it shore is purty!
 
i think that the percentages are for what has used the battery since being unplugged. for instance, if you play angry birds for a while, you see angry birds using a percentage of battery. angry birds doesnt use battery power when it isnt running, so it couldnt be using power at that moment. display uses the most power usually, but not always. if you charge your phone say right before bed, unplug it, and dont use it until morning, must of the use would go to cell stand by with very little going to anything else

You are correct. Thank you for correcting/clarifying my post. It is showing what has been used since being unplugged.
 
Do you all think the email client, i.e. stock vs K9 mail, effects the battery life? Seems that the K9 does a better job of syncing the email, but maybe at the cost of the battery?
 
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Do you all think the email client, i.e. stock vs K9 mail, affects the battery life? Seems that the K9 does a better job of syncing the email, but maybe at the cost of the battery?

i dont think so. you may experiance something different. i would start with one for sveral days and then switch to the other for the same number of days and compare the results. its not exactly scientific but its a place to start. let us know what you find out and i will put the results in the op.
 
I'm being lazy and don't really want to skim through the pages, but I discovered something quite useful.

I went to my email settings (stock email, not gmail) and noticed the update interval was set at every 15 minutes. So, I changed it to every 4 hours. My phone has been at the same percentage for about 3 hours now, whereas before I changed the settings it would have easily drained about 10 percent by now. Mind you, this is with my phone being on idle.
 
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If its a choice between wifi and marginal 3g, go with the wifi. The 3g may just suck in my area, but i always get better battery life when good, strong wifi is available. I can leave my phone on wifi, overnight, and only lose 1-2% an hour. This is comparable to my experience with 3g, but the difference comes when im moving a lot of data; wifi will obviously be a lot less taxing and i notice my phone lasting a lot longer.

So what is the usefulness of wifi? Is it just a faster connection? I have Tasker set to turn on wifi when I get home and turn it off when I leave. I always thought that if it connected to my home network that it was more efficient. Guess not.
 
I know this has been beat to death but since rooting and adding froyo 2.9.1 my battery doesn't last 2/3 the day. I have read the posts. No wifi, no GPS, dark background, half screen darkness.
ARRRRRRGGGHHH
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I know this has been beat to death but since rooting and adding froyo 2.9.1 my battery doesn't last 2/3 the day. I have read the posts. No wifi, no GPS, dark background, half screen darkness.
ARRRRRRGGGHHH
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have you tried the steps in post #2 of this thread? many people have reported improvement after following those steps.
 
I know this has been beat to death but since rooting and adding froyo 2.9.1 my battery doesn't last 2/3 the day. I have read the posts. No wifi, no GPS, dark background, half screen darkness.
ARRRRRRGGGHHH
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As Adrynalyne says...your mileage may vary. Sometimes there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to why one setup has great battery life on one phone yet and almost identical set up on another produces terrible battery life. Until the source code is released and the devs can put out some custom kernels, we are pretty much stuck with what we are stuck with
 
This is now my most watched thread. Since moving from DL30 to SC 2.9.1 battery life awful. Did the steps in post 2, overnight charge from 2% (boot verified) to 100% w/ phone off. Terminal bstat 1st thing this AM, set black background, uninstalled widgets that DL (weather, news) before rundown/charge, no joy. Battery life still roughly half what it was on DL30. With current SC 2.9.1 flash I have I500.04, FW 2.2.1, BB S:i500.04 V. DL09, KV 2.6.32.9. Also installed JuiceDefender, JuicePlotter & SetCPU (conservative) before recharge, JuicePlotter shows mild use when phone idle, sharp drop (30 to 50% slope) during use. Any recommendations for best app to zero in on what's sucking juice or other info to contribute?
 
I've had my phone off the charger since 1:30pm today. It is now 11:38pm and I still have 88% left. I'm pretty positive changing my email settings made a significant difference. I don't use any task killers/battery savers either.
 
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