HTC 10 vs. Samsung Galaxy S7

[jimbo]

While RF is excellent with the flagships, HTC offers cheaper polycarbonate in the Desire line and likely the forthcoming Nexus 5 & 5.5

 

[Adranalyne]

This author wouldn't get the 10 because it's main camera isn't definitely better than its rivals. I've said this a many times and the fact remains that where the HTC 10 excels, those areas are deemed irrelevant or are ignored completely. For the ultimate lulz, this author makes the following statement


Yup HTC should do glass front and back since that's never been done before. Or they should move to plastic...

Again I'm noticing this same pattern where the 10 gets compared to the S7e as if the S7 isn't good enough to stand on its own. With that said it seems like the camera determines what a smartphone is worth.
.. At least based on this review.

Lastly I called this scenario before the 10 was even announced. I said that it would never win any comparison test, would get hammered in the reviews from certain websites, it would get trashed by certain Android users, etc. Amazing how I knew all of this months back and it's all come to past verbatim... Lol

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You called it because HTC predictably made the same phone they've made 4 years in a row. It doesn't win the comparisons because it's not the better phone and it's about 2 years too late. Most people want HTC to succeed because they have so much potential, but unfortunately they're hell bent on making the same mistakes.

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[jimbo]

You called it because HTC predictably made the same phone they've made 4 years in a row. It doesn't win the comparisons because it's not the better phone and it's about 2 years too late. Most people want HTC to succeed because they have so much potential, but unfortunately they're hell bent on making the same mistakes.

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The HTC 10 is the currently best flagship smartphone with the most advanced build quality technology and functionality.

Your favorite, Samsung, has its design merits with compromises if you're into gaudy, redundant feature bloat, unconventional interface, don't want to pay with credit card & barely hear podcasts while in the shower. Definitely put a case on it for better grip to avoid smudges and 'expensive repair' so it doesn't drop and shatter.

 

[Adranalyne]

The HTC 10 is the currently best flagship smartphone with the most advanced build quality technology and capabilities.

Your favorite, Samsung, has its merits with compromises.

The display, camera, battery, and useful features (IP68, Samsung Pay, wireless charging) are all better on the S7. The 10 has better audio. It's not a very fair fight when it comes down to comparing them. And I'll stop you before you mention the software---that comes down preference now. The "OMG Touchwiz sucks" argument doesn't hold any weight anymore.

I have an S7 Edge, but I enjoy the Nexus line most. That's probably why I'm not a huge fan of the 10. It's a Nexus wannabe that's $200 more for very little reason.

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[metz65]

All I know is that after reading the Samsung, LG and HTC forums I have learned that any site that doesn't fawn over the phone someone likes is lacking in integrity and has been bought. However anyone who also loves the same phone is the only reliable source of information. Highly amusing.

 

[Habiib]

You called it because HTC predictably made the same phone they've made 4 years in a row. It doesn't win the comparisons because it's not the better phone and it's about 2 years too late. Most people want HTC to succeed because they have so much potential, but unfortunately they're hell bent on making the same mistakes.

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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not here. As to how the 10 is the same as the M9/8/7 is a mystery to me. Every single facet of the 10 has been refactored and is better than its predecessors.

All HTC had to do for the 10 was make a camera that out performs the Nikon D5 and added a 4300 mAh battery and the 10 would be deemed the better device by some....

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[Adranalyne]

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not here. As to how the 10 is the same as the M9/8/7 is a mystery to me. Every single facet of the 10 has been refactored and is better than its predecessors.

All HTC had to do for the 10 was make a camera that out performs the Nikon D5 and added a 4300 mAh battery and the 10 would be deemed the better device by some....

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Because it's essentially the same design with updated internals. It offers nothing outside of superior audio (and even that's debatable against some phones) to differentiate itself and that's why it's tough to sell one next to a Galaxy or an iPhone. Why would the majority buy something that is inferior to these devices in the core things that make a good phone (display, camera, battery, etc)?

This isn't some conspiracy where these sites refuse to acknowledge other phones. The 10 just isn't as good as it's competitors. Simple as that.

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[Habiib]

Because it's essentially the same design with updated internals. It offers nothing outside of superior audio (and even that's debatable against some phones) to differentiate itself and that's why it's tough to sell one next to a Galaxy or an iPhone. Why would the majority buy something that is inferior to these devices in the core things that make a good phone (display, camera, battery, etc)?

This isn't some conspiracy where these sites refuse to acknowledge other phones. The 10 just isn't as good as it's competitors. Simple as that.

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Minimal difference between the S4 - S7 (non-edge) design, but updated internals so what's the difference? Updated processor, display, and camera.

Your liberal usage of fallacies contradicts your taking points. Prime example, the iPhone 6 does very little (if anything) better than the 10, so using that logic, more people should buy the 10 over the iPhone, but that will never happen. Therefore that assertion is dead wrong.

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[Wildo6882]

Because it's essentially the same design with updated internals. It offers nothing outside of superior audio (and even that's debatable against some phones) to differentiate itself and that's why it's tough to sell one next to a Galaxy or an iPhone. Why would the majority buy something that is inferior to these devices in the core things that make a good phone (display, camera, battery, etc)?

This isn't some conspiracy where these sites refuse to acknowledge other phones. The 10 just isn't as good as it's competitors. Simple as that.

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I don't see where the 10 is inferior to the S7. For me, it's the better build. I prefer metal to a basically all glass phone that I have to skin and case to make sure I don't shatter the h e l l out of it. I don't like Samsung's displays. I think they're over saturated and don't look natural. They do make a nice camera. Probably the best on the market. But does that mean everything out there is inferior or unusable by comparison? No. My wife has an S6 edge +. I have a 6s Plus. Her camera is better than mine. It takes pictures easier and better pictures in low light. But I've never felt like what I have is "inferior" or thought I had to switch because of my inferior camera. All signs point to the 10 having a very usable camera. Not as good as the S7. But probably one of the best on the market.

TouchWiz to me is still crap. You're ok with it. I'm not. There is so much garbage on it that I won't ever use. It looks cheap. It looks stale. As soon as I get a Samsung phone I spend so much time shutting off and disabling the crap I will never use. And don't get me started on the lack of updates through carriers. I refuse to be AT&T's update hostage. And I'm not buying an unlocked phone that has no US warranty and I can't use Samsung or Android Pay.

IP68 is nice, but I've never destroyed a phone through water or dust. It is a nice addition, though. I'll give it that. But it isn't a deal maker for me.

I also prefer using USB C. I like that its reversible. I like that it's forward thinking. Not just to stick with micro USB because of VR headsets.

The 10 is not a perfect phone. But to me, it's the best well rounded Android phone on the market.

 

[Adranalyne]

Minimal difference between the S4 - S7 (non-edge) design, but updated internals so what's the difference? Updated processor, display, and camera.

Your liberal usage of fallacies contradicts your taking points. Prime example, the iPhone 6 does very little (if anything) better than the 10, so using that logic, more people should buy the 10 over the iPhone, but that will never happen. Therefore that assertion is dead wrong.

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The S4 and S5 were different from one another in overall design and function. The S6 was a huge departure from both of them, and the S7 is an evolution of the S6. They didn't stay the same. They added wireless charging, then fast wireless charging. They took the IP rating on a plastic phone and added it to a glass unibody design. They've added Samsung Pay. Their displays have gotten far better. This isn't just a case of upgrading the SoC and adding more RAM. These are tangible differences, especially the changes in design from the S5 to the S6, that make differences in who buys these things. The sales numbers of the S6 over the S5 is proof of that.

The iPhone doesn't have a better screen, but it performs just as well if not better, has a camera that's either just as good or better, and offers an unrivaled ecosystem and services that keep people coming back for more.

There's a lot more to a phone than just the basics and either you're completely oblivious of that or you just choose not to acknowledge it because the 10 has zero going for it in that department.

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[tnt4]

Won't work with CDMA and yes, as of now, no Samsung Pay. The Exynos version provides better battery life, though.

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So the G930F doesn't do Android or Samsung Pay? I literally just received mine tonight... haven't even set it up yet. Went with the G930F for the Exynos and updates... and b/c I like trying different carriers. If this is true, how the heck did I miss this. *facepalm*

 

[Soggly]

I'm an htc fan but I have to say that I can't see it being all that successful compared to the competition truthfully, imo, I think the s7 and especially the edge in particular is the better phone because of things like battery life, the camera, Vulcan api, better display, etc I just don't see it bailing htc out in the smartphone department

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[Habiib]

The S4 and S5 were different from one another in overall design and function. The S6 was a huge departure from both of them, and the S7 is an evolution of the S6. They didn't stay the same. They added wireless charging, then fast wireless charging. They took the IP rating on a plastic phone and added it to a glass unibody design. They've added Samsung Pay. Their displays have gotten far better. This isn't just a case of upgrading the SoC and adding more RAM. These are tangible differences, especially the changes in design from the S5 to the S6, that make differences in who buys these things. The sales numbers of the S6 over the S5 is proof of that.
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The iPhone doesn't have a better screen, but it performs just as well if not better, has a camera that's either just as good or better, and offers an unrivaled ecosystem and services that keep people coming back for more.

Did you not just describe the HTC 10 vs S7 scenario here, yet the iPhone gets the golden pass from you? HTC 10 camera is just as good, performs just as well if not better. You've dismissed any advantages the HTC 10 has on the software side (or downplayed them), yet that aspect magically becomes relevant here with the iPhone.

There's a lot more to a phone than just the basics and either you're completely oblivious of that or you just choose not to acknowledge it because the 10 has zero going for it in that department.

OK now I'm confused here. Previously you've stated the following:

Why would the majority buy something that is inferior to these devices in the core things that make a good phone (display, camera, battery, etc)?

..and here you're saying there's more to a phone than just the basics. Are the "Basics" and "Core things" synonymous with each other? If not, then those things other than the basics(?) were dismissed by you as being irrelevant. Before you implied that the only thing the HTC 10 has going for it is the audio (and that might not be the case according to you), and now your saying that it has zero going for it in that department (which department?). Again when other aspects of the HTC 10 were brought up as examples (i.e., FF camera, default support for adaptable storage, low latency display, faster fingerprint scanner, qc 3.0, type C USB, software, runtime perform, etc.) you've deemed them unworthy of being considered a positive advantage in favor of the HTC 10. With that said, why even make the statement about there being more to a phone than the basics, when they are going to be downplayed to begin with?

Seems this is going down the path of conflicting double-standards and misdirection being tied together with multiple chains of fallacies. If the HTC 10 has nothing going for it, then that should wrap up the discussion easily.

 

[B0WIE]

Because it's essentially the same design with updated internals. It offers nothing outside of superior audio (and even that's debatable against some phones) to differentiate itself and that's why it's tough to sell one next to a Galaxy or an iPhone. Why would the majority buy something that is inferior to these devices in the core things that make a good phone (display, camera, battery, etc)?

This isn't some conspiracy where these sites refuse to acknowledge other phones. The 10 just isn't as good as it's competitors. Simple as that.

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It sounds like that conclusion was reached without any thought to individual preference. I'm already liking what I'm seeing out of the 10's camera more than the S7 or 6s (and dxomark puts it on par w/ the S7 and above 6s), the interface (icons, sense, etc) look nicer, the body looks nicer, audio trumps the others, and I like the warranty. If you're just defending your purchases, then none of this will reach you. But, I invite you to open your mind to the idea that this is a better phone for many people. If it wasn't offering me more in the areas I care about, I wouldn't bother with it.

 

[Adranalyne]

Did you not just describe the HTC 10 vs S7 scenario here, yet the iPhone gets the golden pass from you? HTC 10 camera is just as good, performs just as well if not better. You've dismissed any advantages the HTC 10 has on the software side (or downplayed them), yet that aspect magically becomes relevant here with the iPhone.



OK now I'm confused here. Previously you've stated the following:



..and here you're saying there's more to a phone than just the basics. Are the "Basics" and "Core things" synonymous with each other? If not, then those things other than the basics(?) were dismissed by you as being irrelevant. Before you implied that the only thing the HTC 10 has going for it is the audio (and that might not be the case according to you), and now your saying that it has zero going for it in that department (which department?). Again when other aspects of the HTC 10 were brought up as examples (i.e., FF camera, default support for adaptable storage, low latency display, faster fingerprint scanner, qc 3.0, type C USB, software, runtime perform, etc.) you've deemed them unworthy of being considered a positive advantage in favor of the HTC 10. With that said, why even make the statement about there being more to a phone than the basics, when they are going to be downplayed to begin with?

Seems this is going down the path of conflicting double-standards and misdirection being tied together with multiple chains of fallacies. If the HTC 10 has nothing going for it, then that should wrap up the discussion easily.

It's not better than the S7 at the core things I listed, nor does it have anything that differentiates it. If you have them lined up at a store next to each other, who buys the 10? People who like audio to be a bit better on their cell phones? The S7 has the IP rating, Samsung Pay, wireless charging, better accessory support---on top of being better at the core things i listed. The reason I mentioned the iPhone's ecosystem/services is because as much better as the Galaxy is than the iPhone at those core things, that's the difference. The iPhone destroys everyone in sales in large part because of imessage, facetime, the app store, etc. That's what sets it apart. The Galaxy is set apart because it's typically the best at those core things, but offers the kitchen sink in extras, too.

What does HTC offer to compete with them? Nothing. I'm not saying this phone sucks. Far from it. There's a user base that loves their phones, but this thread is about how it stacks up to the S7 (you brought the iPhone into this). It might for some people, which is fine, but history shows that it just doesn't compare to the Galaxy line.

This year, because they've made no strides in setting themselves apart yet again, the result will be the same.


Edit: As an aside, I saw they've compared the phones on this very site and highlighted much of the same things I've said here in regards to the S7 vs 10. I'll start using their term of "value adds" from now on.

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[Jdroids]

No Samsung Pay. No Android Pay. No US warranty. Deal breakers for me. And I refuse to be tied to AT&T's update schedule. Makes the S7/S7 edge useless for me. "For me" is the key.

How is unlocked 10 from HTC any different on that regard?

 

[Wildo6882]

How is unlocked 10 from HTC any different on that regard?

Updates come straight from HTC, and don't have to go through AT&T. Same way Nexus phones work. Android Pay will work, as well, since this is a US variant. Just like Nexus phones.

The unlocked S7/S7 edge is an international version. Samsung doesn't make a US version. For some reason, that gigantic company stays tied to carriers in the US.

 

[Jdroids]

Updates come straight from HTC, and don't have to go through AT&T. Same way Nexus phones work. Android Pay will work, as well, since this is a US variant. Just like Nexus phones.

The unlocked S7/S7 edge is an international version. Samsung doesn't make a US version. For some reason, that gigantic company stays tied to carriers in the US.

Wouldn't update for international S7 come directly from samsung as well? because it's not a carrier's phone.

 

[Wildo6882]

Wouldn't update for international S7 come directly from samsung as well? because it's not a carrier's phone.

Right. But the unlocked international S7 has no access to Samsung or Android Pay here in the US. And it also has no warranty. Even if purchased from Best Buy.

 

[Jdroids]

Right. But the unlocked international S7 has no access to Samsung or Android Pay here in the US. And it also has no warranty. Even if purchased from Best Buy.

So unlocked 10 from HTC has US warranty? If so, it's good thing for unlocked 10.
No samsung pay doesn't bother me much, but warranty for US is big deal. If they still offer $599 pricing for unlocked 10, this looks more attractive to me.