HTC One (M8) camera discussion

[iN8ter]

You're looking the fool here. I've seen complaints about low pixel count and blown out highlights outdoors but I haven't heard anyone, except you, complaining about noise. Whatever ISO my M8 is choosing, my pics are coming out good. I've not had any noise or purple fringing problems. I guess in the end that's all that matters.

Quote me where I complained about noise, please.

 

[SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl]

No. The pictures are amazing when you aren't juggling a phone with a smart cover + another one in your hands taking pictures lol

That S3 picture the original that I posted crops of here. It's amazing quality with 80 I SO taken in the shade. You can clearly see the pattern on the shirt if you crop into it

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But the point is that HTC appears to be using a different algorithm for indoor vs. outdoor shots (at least for the m7, it seemed to default to around 100). Maybe they should, maybe they shouldn't, but there is no way to tell, and the fact that they use 100 or 125 in daylight isn't a problem.

 

[cdaq]

Quote me where I complained about noise, please.

Noise is directly related to ISO. You've been absurdly whining about ISO for a while now. If noise isn't a problem then who cares what the ISO is set at?????

 

[SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl]

Doesn't matter. We are talking about different sensors and maybe the samsung is base 80 or something.

Still, the water in the gravel in teh background is blown.

That is partly my point, everyone bitches about the One blowing highlights, but it is true of all phones.

I have no illusions that the m7 or m8 is better than the other flagships in daylight conditions. That is a given. The point is that the One is designed for taking adequate daylight pictures and best in market indoor/low light shots. I think they have done a pretty good job at that. People complaining about the One camera should stick with a 20mp phone cam and quit ******** and leave HTC users to be happy with their choice.

 

[iN8ter]

But the point is that HTC appears to be using a different algorithm for indoor vs. outdoor shots (at least for the m7, it seemed to default to around 100). Maybe they should, maybe they shouldn't, but there is no way to tell, and the fact that they use 100 or 125 in daylight isn't a problem.

The problem is that the camera software will go Auto Mode even when you set the ISO to a certain value at times.

Their algorithms aren't the same as other OEMs. I never claimed they are and never expected them to be.

I just find it odd that the camera would choose a higher ISO with more light-sensitive Optics in broad daylight outdoors than an iPhone or Samsung phones would choose indoors under artificial lighting or in the shade.

And it's not like it's helping this camera spit out the most detailed or sharpest pictures, either. They use some harsh sharpening algorithms to try to push that through.

 

[cdaq]

You can clearly see the pattern on the shirt if you crop into it

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Ummm who cares? The fact that I can't take a 5% total area slice of a picture from a phone camera and maintain detail does not matter to me even a little. It's a stupid point IMO.

 

[SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl]

The problem is that the camera software will go Auto Mode even when you set the ISO to a certain value at times.

Their algorithms aren't the same as other OEMs. I never claimed they are and never expected them to be.

I just find it odd that the camera would choose a higher ISO with more light-sensitive Optics in broad daylight outdoors than an iPhone or Samsung phones would choose indoors under artificial lighting or in the shade.

And it's not like it's helping this camera spit out the most detailed or sharpest pictures, either. They use some harsh sharpening algorithms to try to push that through.

Whatever. You don't like the camera, that is fine. I wish they could do better in daylight, I wish I could get 20mp resolution and low noise low light performance, with no shutter lag or focus difficulties. Ain't gonna happen in a phone in 2014.

My RX100 can do it but it is about 10 times thicker than an M8.

 

[iN8ter]

Please stop using a picture I took on a Galaxy S3 in 2012 and acting like it's the norm for current Flagships from that company or any other.

It's not.

There are phones on the market that are better in both daylight and night time, so it's a lose-lose proposition with this phone's camera.

You are aware that Nokia's new phones bin 20MP images down to high quality 5MP stills right? The issue with the One isn't the resolution, per se, but the fact that it has sub-par details at that resolution compared to competing phones that spit out lower resolution images, like those from Nokia or Sony (where you can barely do anything in the camera software out of the 8MP "mode").

Ummm who cares? The fact that I can't take a 5% total area slice of a picture from a phone camera and maintain detail does not matter to me even a little. It's a stupid point IMO.

Your opinion is about as useful as mine, amirite?

 

[cdaq]

Their algorithms aren't the same as other OEMs.

And you have the source code to prove it, I guess. If this isn't proof positive that this azzhat just makes ish up as he goes I don't know what is.

 

[iN8ter]

And you have the source code to prove it, I guess. If this isn't proof positive that this azzhat just makes ish up as he goes I don't know what is.

Oh, so now we're going to argue that it's a possibility that Samsung, Apple, and HTC all share post-processing software/algorithms in their camera software.

Also, don't take the name calling to the next level. Thank you!

 

[SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl]

Please stop using a picture I took on a Galaxy S3 in 2012 and acting like it's the norm for current Flagships from that company or any other.

It's not.

There are phones on the market that are better in both daylight and night time, so it's a lose-lose proposition with this phone's camera.

You are aware that Nokia's new phones bin 20MP images down to high quality 5MP stills right? The issue with the One isn't the resolution, per se, but the fact that it has sub-par details at that resolution compared to competing phones that spit out lower resolution images, like those from Nokia or Sony (where you can barely do anything in the camera software out of the 8MP "mode").



Your opinion is about as useful as mine, amirite?

And you realize it takes 2.5 seconds between shots?

 

[iN8ter]

And you realize it takes 2.5 seconds between shots?

I thought shutter lag was the time between when you pressed the shutter and when the image was taken? When I tried it at the Verizon Store, the shutter was pretty much instant.

Also, the Stock Windows Phone camera software is a bit faster than Nokia Camera. Try it.

 

[SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl]

Here
S5
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ozsjmpjllpdigsh/S5 Extreme Lowlight.jpg
M8
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ghld0w5e4eijm8i/M8 Extreme Lowlight.jpg

 

[SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl]

I thought shutter lag was the time between when you pressed the shutter and when the image was taken? When I tried it at the Verizon Store, the shutter was pretty much instant.

Also, the Stock Windows Phone camera software is a bit faster than Nokia Camera. Try it.

It is, and it is longer on the nokia, but I don't have the figure in front of me. You are just trolling now. And the windows phone software is a bit faster, but not fast enough for people who expect the shot to be taken when they hit the shutter

 

[cdaq]

Oh, so now we're going to argue that it's a possibility that Samsung, Apple, and HTC all share post-processing software/algorithms in their camera software.

Also, don't take the name calling to the next level. Thank you!

I'm not going to make any statements about software, especially image processing algorithms because I can't know what they are doing. See what I did there? That said, where I work if we can get something 3rd party it's usually cheaper than developing it in house.

 

[iN8ter]

It is, and it is longer on the nokia, but I don't have the figure in front of me. You are just trolling now. And the windows phone software is a bit faster, but not fast enough for people who expect the shot to be taken when they hit the shutter

I'm trolling but you're here resorting to name calling cause I told you the shutter was instant when I tried the Lumia Icon in the Verizon Store?

Seriously?

I care as much about Low Light photography as that other name caller I was talking to cares about actually providing a quote to show me where I was complaining about noise.

 

[iN8ter]

I'm not going to make any statements about software, especially image processing algorithms because I can't know what they are doing. See what I did there? That said, where I work if we can get something 3rd party it's usually cheaper than developing it in house.

It doesn't take much knowledge to see when the camera software is applying aggressive noise correction, oversaturating/boosting colors, sharpening the edges, or changing the color temperature.

In some cases, the EXIF data can actually tell you what's going on and we know what nominal values are for some of these things.

In others, once you crop into the image or view it at 1:1 size, it's plainly obvious.

You don't need to see the source code to know that.

HTC Develops their own ImageChips, IIRC. Samsung uses Fujitsu ISPs. Apple has their own Custom Solution.

One can fairly reliably assume that HTC, Samsung, Apple, LG, Nokia, and Sony all write their own camera software.

 

[Aquila]

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[o2k]

An example of a shot only the HTC can do (at least m7 with OIS can do). The exif reads 1/7 sec at ISO 1922. This was almost a dark room with some light from a doorway behind. Using an iPhone, SG5, G2 this would have been a complete darkness in the foreground.

WOW, ISO 1922!!
That's pretty amazing. Looks pretty clean for that high value of ISO. And it's a nice pic, too.

 

[o2k]

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Just curious, not that I'll attempt it or implying someone is a troll, but what do you call a troll then?