HTC One (M8) camera discussion

[huismeester]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

Hopefully they'll put out a fix then, if auto mode needs adjusting it can be done through a software update.
I also think if HTC can fix the exposure issues then this camera would be nigh on perfect IMHO.

I hope you Wright

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[phonejunky]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

I'm being honest here with this comment. Well it's really a question but do you guys think the camera on this phone is good for today's smartphone user. Seems like from this thread you darn near need to be an amateur photographer with some knowledge on the subject to get the desired pictures you want. Am I correct in this assessment of completely wrong. And this is a question so don't reply with all your android hate like a lot do.

 

[Kibbster]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

I'm being honest here with this comment. Well it's really a question but do you guys think the camera on this phone is good for today's smartphone user. Seems like from this thread you darn near need to be an amateur photographer with some knowledge on the subject to get the desired pictures you want. Am I correct in this assessment of completely wrong. And this is a question so don't reply with all your android hate like a lot do.

I think it's a perfect camera for anyone to use.
The Auto mode is generally excellent but some situations could do with a little bit of knowledge or skill to get the best out of them.
Don't worry though, it's not like if you aren't a pro you won't get any good pictures
IMHO the camera software is the best I have ever seen and makes taking good pictures pretty easy.

 

[icenija]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

I'm being honest here with this comment. Well it's really a question but do you guys think the camera on this phone is good for today's smartphone user. Seems like from this thread you darn near need to be an amateur photographer with some knowledge on the subject to get the desired pictures you want. Am I correct in this assessment of completely wrong. And this is a question so don't reply with all your android hate like a lot do.

Do not worry about the hate and other negative things that are said. The camera on this phone is perfectly fine for the average user, you will see around this forum of the example pics shown that all the negative talk about the camera is unnecessary. You do not need to be a photographer to take good pictures with this phone, depending on where you are, lighting, etc may take some experimentation but the general auto mode is fine for normal situations.

Ice

 

[B0WIE]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

I'm being honest here with this comment. Well it's really a question but do you guys think the camera on this phone is good for today's smartphone user. Seems like from this thread you darn near need to be an amateur photographer with some knowledge on the subject to get the desired pictures you want. Am I correct in this assessment of completely wrong. And this is a question so don't reply with all your android hate like a lot do.

Sounds very incorrect to me, but I have some experience in photography so setting up shots comes a little easier to me. It's easy to forget that some people don't know where to stand in relation to the sun, etc. With that said, I didn't need to do any "tricks" or manual settings to get better shots than I've had with any other phone, and some shots that are simply not possible on other phones. Everything I've posted was casually taken with no real effort or thought. In the sticky section right next to where you found this thread, there's one full of photos, most of which are just point and shoot from non-photographers. You can easily judge from there whether average users are able to take good pics or not.

 

[Skyway]

Re: M8 Camera

Why did HTC introduce the dual camera technology ? Yes, to include an awesome camera with it. And how do you expect a DSLR to be a phone. All tech gadgets has its own features and facilities An WP is pretty rubbish at being used as a car !! Haha ! Do you expect me to say that
Take it from me, HTC One M8 is one among the best phone that live now .. [ 2014, till now ] . It has a good design with awesome power saving features etc.But , as far as I know it's camera need to be improved I speak from the information I get from trusted sources and my friends. I've not yet tired M8 since it isn't available in my locality . Hope you understand.

Anyway ! Let's end up !!

His point was a DSLR is ONLY a camera, a product soley dedicated to ONE purpose. While a smartphone does many things, make phone calls, take pictures, surf the web, play games, listen to music and watch videos, etc. It isn't really fair to compare the two, so of course the product dedicated to one purpose is going to do that better.

Personally I think EVERY phone camera needs improvement. Almost every phone camera needs improvement for low light pictures, something in which the m8 does better than most. Everything is a compromise. HTC compromised 4mp for much much larger pixels while companies like Samsung, Sony and Nokia have opted for higher megapixels with smaller pixels.

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[ajnevares]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

Do not worry about the hate and other negative things that are said. The camera on this phone is perfectly fine for the average user, you will see around this forum of the example pics shown that all the negative talk about the camera is unnecessary. You do not need to be a photographer to take good pictures with this phone, depending on where you are, lighting, etc may take some experimentation but the general auto mode is fine for normal situations.

Ice

Agreed! I was one of those who bashed the camera after some of the photos I captured and posted on here, but after reaching out here and receiving a better understanding of the camera and how to benefit from its build, I now see just how good this camera is. I was caught up in MP count after using Samsung devices for so long, but the photos I have taken in the last day after getting some great advice and suggestions from the AC community, this camera is definitely suffice for most situations. Thanks again everyone for your help!

 

[o2k]

Re: To everyone who is bashing the M8 camera, I have a couple of points to make.

I second every one's opinion that the camera is good for everybody on every day's use. It's NOT that it takes extra skills to get good pics using this camera BUT that it takes to know a little about how to take decent enough pics. The basic principles are all the same regardless what camera one is using. I sensed the blue/white sky issue somehow has become a nitpicking point for the M8 when that's little to do with the camera. It happens and had happened all the time for every camera. And it takes practice/experimenting to master everything. People forget that some great photos from professional photographers may take days to prepare. They ain't point-and-shoot. What's important is what matters to you, not the blue sky or a perfect picture, but the very brief valuable moment of your child's smile or your dog's movement that's caught in your camera.

Oh, one thing that may become handy for photo taking, if you're not try to create special diffusing light effect (e.g. of morning), is to try to, at least avoid direct light into the lens, and provide some shade (hand cover) for the camera while shooting a photo. Less light bouncing in the lens means a better contrast pic you'll get. Make a habit of it and it becomes intuitive. But by no means do not get too caught up by these principles. Or you may miss some valuable moments.

 

[Justintoxicated]

I understand what you are saying, I'm just pointing out that if you are an avid Android user you really don't care about the iPhone comparison because that Android user has no intention of switching. To answer your question several OS agnostics as you put it have mentioned through some of these threads that the M8 camera is just as good as the iPhone 5S. Better in some situations, less in others but overall just as good.

Ice

As much as I dislike the iphone the camera is much better IMO. That's the only thing I like better on the Iphone though.

 

[SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl]

As much as I dislike the iphone the camera is much better IMO. That's the only thing I like better on the Iphone though.

Better in good light maybe, but not indoors or taking pics of moving objects. The One is pretty much unmatched in shutter lag among phone cams, and despite all the naysaying in reviews on the web, people who use it (M7 or M8) know it is much more responsive and does better in low light.

 

[cdaq]

As much as I dislike the iphone the camera is much better IMO.

I have both (until I sell my Iphone that is) and that has not been my experience at all. Pics in bright light are as good as the iphone. You'd be hard pressed to even tell the difference in some. However pics in lower light are better on the M8. And the M8 seems much faster to record the shot too, it's almost instantaneous. Plus you have the second camera on the M8. Definitely not required but does add another element of fun when taking pics destined for the social medias. I'm glad it's there.

 

[iN8ter]

I have both (until I sell my Iphone that is) and that has not been my experience at all. Pics in bright light are as good as the iphone. You'd be hard pressed to even tell the difference in some. However pics in lower light are better on the M8. And the M8 seems much faster to record the shot too, it's almost instantaneous. Plus you have the second camera on the M8. Definitely not required but does add another element of fun when taking pics destined for the social medias. I'm glad it's there.

It's impossible for this camera to resolve detail on par with the iPhone 5S. It's not possible.

The iPhone does 10FPS burst shots so I'm not sure how it's slow at recording shots. The iPhone shutter is very fast. That is not an issue that phoje has.

I put my photos on Flickr and then link to them from Social Media so the resolution is a factor especially for cropping. And if you resize the iPhone/S4/S5/N3 images to 4MP they will blow the HTC away in all but dark conditions - maybe even in some lower light situations, if you edit them to brighten them up (or use HDR or Low Light Mode) before resizing to muscle noise and artifacts out of the image.

There is a clear difference in picture quality. This phone did improve the camera over the One somewhat, but it is not the massive leap some are making it out to be. This phone is like a One S. Pardon the pun.

The camera isn't absolutely terrible. It's good especially for Social Media sharing. But it is not iPhone good.

The biggest issue I have with HTC aside from that resolution and flaring is the it'll camera software. It's never been as good as Samsung, Apple, or Sony (it Nokia). The white balance is often dubious. HTC does a lot of sharpening to create a more detailed image. The colors are sometimes boosted a bit (Apple also does that). It chooses odd ISO speeds on some situations on Auto - sometimes randomly boosting the ISO in daylight (where an iPhone or Galaxy would use Base ISO) or dropping it in low light. The noise reduction algorithms are bad. The One will display tons of Chroma Noise where an S4 would display almost none despite struggling more in low light, for example.

Some of its issues can be fixed by a software or FW update but at this point I'm not even sure if HTCs camera guys are good enough to do it. Cause these issues existed since the first One last year.

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[cdaq]

It's impossible for this camera to resolve detail on par with the iPhone 5S. It's not possible.

The iPhone does 10FPS burst shots so I'm not sure how it's slow at recording shots. The iPhone shutter is very fast. That is not an issue that phoje has.

I put my photos on Flickr and then link to them from Social Media so the resolution is a factor especially for cropping. And if you resize the iPhone/S4/S5/N3 images to 4MP they will blow the HTC away in all but dark conditions - maybe even in some lower light situations, if you edit them to brighten them up (or use HDR or Low Light Mode) before resizing to muscle noise and artifacts out of the image.

There is a clear difference in picture quality. This phone did improve the camera over the One somewhat, but it is not the massive leap some are making it out to be. This phone is like a One S. Pardon the pun.

The camera isn't absolutely terrible. It's good especially for Social Media sharing. But it is not iPhone good.

The biggest issue I have with HTC aside from that resolution and flaring is the it'll camera software. It's never been as good as Samsung, Apple, or Sony (it Nokia). The white balance is often dubious. HTC does a lot of sharpening to create a more detailed image. The colors are sometimes boosted a bit (Apple also does that). It chooses odd ISO speeds on some situations on Auto - sometimes randomly boosting the ISO in daylight (where an iPhone or Galaxy would use Base ISO) or dropping it in low light. The noise reduction algorithms are bad. The One will display tons of Chroma Noise where an S4 would display almost none despite struggling more in low light, for example.

Some of its issues can be fixed by a software or FW update but at this point I'm not even sure if HTCs camera guys are good enough to do it. Cause these issues existed since the first One last year.

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It's not possible, really? You sure about that, lol?. And just to make sure I wasn't imagining it, I just snapped an indoor picture with each phone. The M8 is faster. It just is. And fwiw it has may have zero to do with shutter speed even though the HTC camera should be able to maintain the exposure level with a faster shutter speed than the iphone. Perhaps the M8 does less post processing, I don't know and really don't care. I have not experienced any white balance problems. Don't know about odd iso setting. Oh BTW, ISO isn't a speed setting but a setting of the sensors sensitivity to light. I don't know what base ISO is either, are you making things up? I haven't had any problems with the HTC properly exposing the picture nor have I had any problems with my subjects blurring so the M8 must be doing a good job at picking a suitable f-stop, shutter speed, and ISO combination. At least in my experience (about a weeks worth now).
Judging from your post you don't seem to really know what you're talking about but other than quantity of pixels the HTC camera specs absolutely destroy the apple camera.

 

[iN8ter]

It's not possible, really? You sure about that, lol?. And just to make sure I wasn't imagining it, I just snapped an indoor picture with each phone. The M8 is faster. It just is. And fwiw it has may have zero to do with shutter speed even though the HTC camera should be able to maintain the exposure level with a faster shutter speed than the iphone. Perhaps the M8 does less post processing, I don't know and really don't care. I have not experienced any white balance problems. Don't know about odd iso setting. Oh BTW, ISO isn't a speed setting but a setting of the sensors sensitivity to light. I don't know what base ISO is either, are you making things up? I haven't had any problems with the HTC properly exposing the picture nor have I had any problems with my subjects blurring so the M8 must be doing a good job at picking a suitable f-stop, shutter speed, and ISO combination. At least in my experience (about a weeks worth now).
Judging from your post you don't seem to really know what you're talking about but other than quantity of pixels the HTC camera specs absolutely destroy the apple camera.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/what-is-iso-speed.htm

The rest is not even worth my time. You're so wrong it isn't even funny.

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[cdaq]

HowStuffWorks "What is ISO speed?"

The rest is not even worth my time. You're so wrong it isn't even funny.

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Well they do seem to be talking both film and digital in that article. Most people I know don't talk in terms of iso speed anymore but I guess its semantics...

 

[iN8ter]

LMAO there's no FILM in a digital camera!

It's the same. Only difference is a film camera you have to switch film, but digital cameras control iso speed electronically. That's what the iso setting is. Iso speed.

You're welcome. Anything else you need to learn?

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[cdaq]

HowStuffWorks "What is ISO speed?"

The rest is not even worth my time. You're so wrong it isn't even funny.

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Right, not worth your time. It must get tedious parroting the haters. I actually have and use the camera and I'm giving you an honest opinion. And BTW, the extra third of a stop and larger pixels WILL allow you to go with a lower ISO (or slower if you still think in terms of speed) while keeping the proper exposure. How can you even argue?

 

[iN8ter]

Right, not worth your time. It must get tedious parroting the haters. I actually have and use the camera and I'm giving you an honest opinion. And BTW, the extra quarter stop and larger pixels WILL allow you to go with a lower ISO (or slower if you still think in terms of speed) while keeping the proper exposure. How can you even argue?

You're not reading.

The camera sometimes does the complete opposite. It will use a higher ISO when other cameras stay at base ISO during the day for example, even though it's optics brings in more light. Doing that introduces more noise when it's completely unnecessary.

The whole point of the Ultra pixels is to bring in more light to allow you to shoot at lower ISO, which should theoretically lead to cleaner images which makes up for the low resolution.

This issue I mention may also be responsible for some of the issues with bright light. Though the lens may be at fault for that.

That's the whole point of what I was saying.

I'm gonna ignore you because you're ... Whatever, bye to you.

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[cdaq]

You're not reading.

The camera sometimes does the complete opposite. It will use a higher ISO when other cameras stay at base ISO during the day for example, even though it's optics brings in more light. Doing that introduces more noise when it's completely unnecessary.

That's the whole point of what I was saying.

I'm gonna ignore you because you're ... Whatever, bye to you.

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Says who? You? Do you even own the camera? I do and I have not seen that. Not even once in about a 100 or so pictures. So yes, better for you if you tuck and run because you're on pretty shaky ground credibility wise.

 

[iN8ter]

Says who? You? Do you even own the camera? I do and I have not seen that. Not even once in about a 100 or so pictures. So yes, better for you if you tuck and run because you're on pretty shaky ground credibility wise.

Lol. No one is tucking and running buddy. 100 pictures. Wow. What a pro.

Those issues exist, do you know what Exif data is. Go take some pictures and examine that instead of mouthing off to me about stuff you're clearly clueless about.

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