I don't care what they say, removable batteries are where its at.

[nahoku]

Built in obsolescence is not that the battery will suffer that much in a year. It means that after a while the battery will for sure be no where what it used to be, and the user can't readily swap it out because it's built in. On this forum, there are tons of posts about batteries not lasting and yet you try to make light of this fact with your comments. Batteries wear and lose capacity, that's a fact. I'm not saying the manufactures are building/designing these phones with failure in mind. Are you joking? Its just fact that the batteries will suffer from use, and since it's built in... once that happens the phone becomes useless. How many early Prisms (Toyota) are still on the road today? How many suffer from short cycle times? Not everything new is the "best" just because that's all that's offered.

The removable battery is 100% a cost/benefits issue - and the costs far outweigh the benefits according to Samsung's data of how people use phones.

Yes, it's a benefit for Samsung, and other manufactures, because Cash is King. There is no benefit to users.

The S6 and Note 5 lost SD cards for two reasons. 1. SD card support was broken in Lollipop and they hadn't solved fixing it yet

The S6 and Note 5 was a test... I doubt very much Lollipop had anything to do with it. You actually believe Samsung worked/designed these phones in the one year prior to release? In fact, the Note 5 was released only 10 months after the Note 4, so you want everyone to believe they designed all the parts, manufactured them, tested them, built the phones... all within 10 months and left out the SD because of LP? My 30+ years of electrical engineering tends to disagree. Right now, I'm guessing the Note 9 and 10 are already on the drawing board... if not in some stage of production! The S6 and Note 5 were the first models to not have a removable battery and SD card. They didn't know how it would go over so didn't even bother to release the Note 5 in the UK.

Here's the thing that needs to be pushed into the foundation of analyzing phones: No OEM's are sabotaging user experiences. Every single one of them is making a list of priorities of what the best things they can do within their budget and hardware constraints (size, shape, what products are available, etc) can be and trying to get the maximum number of things from that list into the device. If what you want isn't on that list ... they're not doing anything to you or anything against you; it's just that the best device they could create within their constraints includes priorities other than your personal priorities. The constraints vary based on the pricing and market of the device. That's important too. And in some cases, there just isn't enough time or money or space in a device to have all the critical items and choices have to be made... and there are trade-offs that have to be weighed to make those decisions. But at the end of the day... Every OEM is trying to make the best device possible within their constraints. If you start looking at every phone from that perspective, a lot of the conspiracy theories and comments about ulterior motives fall away and you're left with a better understanding of what their vision of the market consists of. I think that perspective can help.

Conspiracy theory? You're joking right? This is how you view what's going on? Oh... we'll just call it a conspiracy theory and it'll go away! Nice try! Samsung and all the other manufactures are in it for the money. That's what business is all about and if you think they're thinking of you, well, that's a conspiracy theory too... or more accurately, a delusion. The only thing the manufactures are thinking of is what can they offer to capture your business. You might think that your perception is correct and that it "can help"... but, do you think we need help?

Some of you just don't understand where any of us are coming from. You pretend to, (not very well!), but in the end, your view of the issue is clouded. It's understandable since a removable battery is not something you care about.

 

[Kelly Kearns]

I think we've beat a dead horse here. The people that don't like removable batteries can't be swayed any more than those that do. Hence the title of my original post:

"I don't care what they say, removable batteries are where its at."

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I like removable batteries, I was swayed to not care because actual hands on experience showed me.

 

[Mike Dee]

The LG G5 made a conscious decision to move it's audiophile technology into a module. That's a weird decision to make from a consumer perspective. But what if LG had data that said, a small minority of consumers really want that functionality and are willing to pay a premium for it, but most people don't care at all. In that context, the decision to offload that into a module makes perfect sense. Make a phone for the masses that they felt was well executed, looks great, rings their bells... and give the ability for the super-eared people to add on what they really want while keeping that same phone. Doesn't work for me personally, but that could be said to be a data-driven decision weighing cost/benefit of the priority list and finding a way to be more attractive to a larger audience that fully escaped them in the LG G4.

That module has never materialized, but I wouldn't pay a premium for it anyway. It would have a limited lifespan. That's how I feel about the Moto mids....though no doubt they did a better job with implementation.

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[Aquila]

Built in obsolescence is not that the battery will suffer that much in a year. It means that after a while the battery will for sure be no where what it used to be, and the user can't readily swap it out because it's built in. On this forum, there are tons of posts about batteries not lasting and yet you try to make light of this fact with your comments. Batteries wear and lose capacity, that's a fact. I'm not saying the manufactures are building/designing these phones with failure in mind. Are you joking? Its just fact that the batteries will suffer from use, and since it's built in... once that happens the phone becomes useless. How many early Prisms (Toyota) are still on the road today? How many suffer from short cycle times? Not everything new is the "best" just because that's all that's offered.

Yes, it's a benefit for Samsung, and other manufactures, because Cash is King. There is no benefit to users.

The S6 and Note 5 was a test... I doubt very much Lollipop had anything to do with it. You actually believe Samsung worked/designed these phones in the one year prior to release? In fact, the Note 5 was released only 10 months after the Note 4, so you want everyone to believe they designed all the parts, manufactured them, tested them, built the phones... all within 10 months and left out the SD because of LP? My 30+ years of electrical engineering tends to disagree. Right now, I'm guessing the Note 9 and 10 are already on the drawing board... if not in some stage of production! The S6 and Note 5 were the first models to not have a removable battery and SD card. They didn't know how it would go over so didn't even bother to release the Note 5 in the UK.

Conspiracy theory? You're joking right? This is how you view what's going on? Oh... we'll just call it a conspiracy theory and it'll go away! Nice try! Samsung and all the other manufactures are in it for the money. That's what business is all about and if you think they're thinking of you, well, that's a conspiracy theory too... or more accurately, a delusion. The only thing the manufactures are thinking of is what can they offer to capture your business. You might think that your perception is correct and that it "can help"... but, do you think we need help?

Some of you just don't understand where any of us are coming from. You pretend to, (not very well!), but in the end, your view of the issue is clouded. It's understandable since a removable battery is not something you care about.

Ok sounds good. IMO there's no need to go inventing sinister reasons when Samsung literally explained the reasoning.

 

[nahoku]

Ok sounds good. IMO there's no need to go inventing sinister reasons when Samsung literally explained the reasoning.

Sinister? LOL! You believe everything you read? If you work for Samsung, have attended the design reviews, please fess up. Every company wants to earn a living... that's all I'm stating. As I stated, I have 30+ years of engineering, and I can tell you without a doubt that what we disclose to the public does not necessarily include everything. It's company policy... nothing sinister about it.

 

[Aquila]

Sinister? LOL! You believe everything you read? If you work for Samsung, have attended the design reviews, please fess up. Every company wants to earn a living... that's all I'm stating. As I stated, I have 30+ years of engineering, and I can tell you without a doubt that what we disclose to the public does not necessarily include everything. It's company policy... nothing sinister about it.

I don't work for Samsung. I don't even like Samsung. I am currently aware of some of the behind the scenes stuff on a few apps and features and I completely agree that what the exec says in an interview isn't 100% the truth. But it's also not inherently false; and the explanations for how decisions are made were credible. Even if the exact reasons aren't the complete list of reasons, the thought process is what matters. Profit is indeed a powerful motive and I did list it indirectly by calling it a cost constraint; but basically R&D, materials, hardware and software engineering are going to be given hard and soft caps and almost all feature decisions that aren't self evidently mandatory are going to be viewed as a sales vs opportunity cost consideration. We're not disagreeing on any of that.

On this subject, I believe that there are several user facing benefits to having non-removable batteries, not to mention the many indirect benefits and that those benefits are far more valuable than the one benefit of a removable battery. We do disagree on that point; you said there are none. I also believe that for the vast majority of users, the problem that removable batteries were a band-aid for was solved over 3 years ago. For some users that isn't the case, and for them it's a good thing that companies like LG still offer the removable battery option and/or that several other solutions have been made available.

 

[nahoku]

On this subject, I believe that there are several user facing benefits to having non-removable batteries, not to mention the many indirect benefits and that those benefits are far more valuable than the one benefit of a removable battery.

You see, that's the problem. The benefits you speak of don't necessarily apply to us who would rather have a removable battery. I've stated in another thread that specs don't matter to me as long as my phone can run what I use (apps). If I don't need a phone that can run super duper apps I don't use, then why would I care for indirect improvements.

We do disagree on that point; you said there are none.

For my needs, there are none, as far as I'm concerned... see above.

I also believe that for the vast majority of users, the problem that removable batteries were a band-aid for was solved over 3 years ago. For some users that isn't the case, and for them it's a good thing that companies like LG still offer the removable battery option and/or that several other solutions have been made available.

This just doesn't make sense. Removable batteries were a "selling" point of Samsung at one time. It was embraced by many people and even made out to be the major thing separating Android Samsung from iPhone (wallhuggers). It wasn't a band aid... at least not on my Note 4. I actually have no idea why I would think my Note 4 needs a spare battery as a band aid. 4.5 hours of screen on time for medium/heavy use doesn't sound like it does to me.

It's the convenience of not having to plug in if I need to go somewhere, or I forgot to charge it. That's it. That's all I care about... not what any other phone can or is capable of doing.

 

[Kelly Kearns]

You see, that's the problem. The benefits you speak of don't necessarily apply to us who would rather have a removable battery. I've stated in another thread that specs don't matter to me as long as my phone can run what I use (apps). If I don't need a phone that can run super duper apps I don't use, then why would I care for indirect improvements.

For my needs, there are none, as far as I'm concerned... see above.

This just doesn't make sense. Removable batteries were a "selling" point of Samsung at one time. It was embraced by many people and even made out to be the major thing separating Android Samsung from iPhone (wallhuggers). It wasn't a band aid... at least not on my Note 4. I actually have no idea why I would think my Note 4 needs a spare battery as a band aid. 4.5 hours of screen on time for medium/heavy use doesn't sound like it does to me.

It's the convenience of not having to plug in if I need to go somewhere, or I forgot to charge it. That's it. That's all I care about... not what any other phone can or is capable of doing.

You aren't the majority of users though. What is super duper important to you, might not be important to the MAJORITY. What you think doesn't matter, just could be very important to the MAJORITY.

Samsung does a lot of market research, in many different ways. One of those ways is Insights and that reports to Samsung how the product is being used.

 

[nahoku]

You aren't the majority of users though. What is super duper important to you, might not be important to the MAJORITY. What you think doesn't matter, just could be very important to the MAJORITY.

Samsung does a lot of market research, in many different ways. One of those ways is Insights and that reports to Samsung how the product is being used.

It doesn't matter to me what anyone likes. I'm the only one I'm concerned about. Got it!

 

[Kelly Kearns]

It doesn't matter to me what anyone likes. I'm the only one I'm concerned about. Got it!

Hahaha.. So all this non-removable battery and what Samsung is doing, is all about you is what you are saying?

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

This entire thread in a nutshell....

 

[dpham00]

It doesn't matter to me what anyone likes. I'm the only one I'm concerned about. Got it!

Sure you can do that... Once you become ceo of a smartphone maker... Just ignore all market research and make what you want.

After all it worked so well for Jeff Bezos.

 

[Mike Dee]

This entire thread in a nutshell....

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The horse still has some life in him

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[Kelly Kearns]

The horse still has some life in him

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No, Jim, he's dead.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

The horse still has some life in him

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Nah, man. Unless you got some defibs.

 

[nahoku]

Amazing! Someone likes a removable battery and a few Mods and Ambassadors jump on him. Way to go guys! Saw this very same thing in another thread. Shameful.

Read my lips... or rather words... I don't care what you guys like, because it's up to you. I only care about what I like because it concerns me. It has nothing to do with manufactures, studies, what they're doing, the MAJORITY... or any of you. It's my choice, isn't it? Well, isn't it????? And now, dpham00 is saying I have to be a smartphone maker before I can even say I like something?

You guys need to get real... you're further out than I am!

 

[Kelly Kearns]

Amazing! Someone likes a removable battery and a few Mods and Ambassadors jump on him. Way to go guys! Saw this very same thing in another thread. Shameful.

Read my lips... or rather words... I don't care what you guys like, because it's up to you. I only care about what I like because it concerns me. It has nothing to do with manufactures, studies, what they're doing, the MAJORITY... or any of you. It's my choice, isn't it? Well, isn't it????? And now, dpham00 is saying I have to be a smartphone maker before I can even say I like something?

You guys need to get real... you're further out than I am!

No one has jumped on anyone here.

This convo is familiar, we had this exact convo almost a year ago, complete with you accusing mods and ambassadors of jumping on someone when they disagreed.

But hey, you do you and I'll do my Note 7.

 

[nahoku]

No one has jumped on anyone here.

This convo is familiar, we had this exact convo almost a year ago, complete with you accusing mods and ambassadors of jumping on someone when they disagreed.

But hey, you do you and I'll do my Note 7.

No, no one jumped, I'm just imagining that a Mod and another Ambassador entered the thread to post a picture of a dead horse (irrelavant to the post and OP's topic), and to tell me I need to be a ceo. Don't give me your play on words, I've seen it too many times before.

 

[dpham00]

This thread is getting a little out of control... I will temporarily lock it do things cool down