Why shouldn't he be able to expect similar battery life in standby? Screen size doesn't matter if it's not on.
I feckin knew it ......
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Kevin OQuinn
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They are two totally different platforms, with different ways of doing things.
Expecting iPhone battery life out of the android phone with similar battery size (not the Razr Maxx or note 2) is unrealistic because of the tight control apple has over the hardware and software. The way android is designed doesn't lend itself to this type of tight integration, even with the Nexus line.
Also, 10% for 6 hours of standby isn't bad at all.
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Because that wasn't the original conversation i've been having with the other gentleman who mentioned his iPhone 4s having better battery. Obviously if the screen is off it wont matter. We weren't talking ONLY about standby. At least that's not how I took it cause he said at one point: "at the end of the day" so unless it was on standby the whole day......
But we were specifically talking about whether or not you can compare a 4G device to non 4G in terms of battery performance expectations
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I agree. Adrian however was saying that the specifics don't or shouldn't matter. So even though the battery is obviously MASSIVE in the Note 2 and Maxx HD, I still threw them out there based on what he said of the specs not mattering to him.
Huh? That's a huge leap. I'm getting at the user experience which is a far more general impression than a spec list. The experience I had with my iPhone was that I didn't have to worry about battery life. Now I'm finding that I do have to, that's going to negatively contribute to my user experience.
To you they may, but that isn't true for everyone. Here's an example, I started looking at Android phones about two months ago because I wasn't happy with how stale iOS has become, I don't like the form factor of the iPhone 5, Android OS finally got good and there was finally some really impressive Android hardware out there. My requirements for this device was that it have a large-ish screen, that it have a color accurate display, a decent camera and that I could get all of my most used apps (or an equivalent). The One met those requirements. Of course the One has a ton more features including LTE and some other big ones, but I don't really care about those. Those specifics don't matter.
I disagree, I'm comparing two smart phones. How is that not a valid comparison? You're rules for comparing devices may be more granular than mine, but that doesn't mean that either of us is incorrect.
And just to show that I can take your comparison requirements to an extreme. like you've tried to do to mine. By your logic it is impossible to compare any device to any other because unless they have the exact same specs, they can't be compared. So, again by that extreme jump, all that one can compare are two identical handsets. You see how pointless that sort of discussion tactic is? Good, then stop.
You use your set of comparison criteria and I'll use mine.
The only 4G LTE phones on the market that you don't have to worry about battery life if you own them are the Razr Maxx HD and the Galaxy Note 2. I think what you are adjusting to is the reality of 4G LTE phones at least until the battery technology catches up.
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I'm not saying that no two smartphones can be compared. I'm saying there are obvious classes of devices and it's pointless to compare devices from different generations and classes. Otherwise, you could argue that Sony makes the very best video game console ever, because the PS3 is FAR better than the Super Nintendo, Xbox, or Sega Genesis. And if anyone calls you out on the comparison, you can always say: "Oh so it's not possible to compare ANY video game systems?" No, it is possible but lets stick to the comparisons that make sense. A 4G device is in a completely different realm than a 3G device.
If you're just getting at the user experience, and you preferred the other user experience, why make a switch at all? I'm not trying to make this an "Apple vs. Android" thing, i'm just saying if the better user experience for you is on one platform, what made you switch? A "pointless discussion tactic" is one where two non comparable devices are compared with the intent to say one performs better.
I guess we can both agree that we use "comparison criteria" different. I will compare the HTC One to whatever class of phones are released this year, and you can compare it to devices that were released years ago and are in a completely different class. That way we're both happy and can make our decisions based on what we feel is important. Which is all that ultimately matters anyway.
Meanwhile, back in the real world..............
Do you people never sleep? I work night shifts and sleep during the day, when I finish my shifts I sleep for half a day then half a night. When I am asleep I tend to not use my phone as much so it goes on charge, next to the bed, switched on with all data, wifi, apps, updates and syncs still running. When I wake up, as if by magic, I have a fully charged phone. I do this with my One, did it with my S2 before that, my Desire before that and my 3GS before that. Luckily I prefer to sleep indoors so I am never too far from a power outlet and as long as I am sensible, my phone always lasts longer between charges than I do between sleeps.
It is just a fact of life with modern smartphones, we all want blistering performance, HD quality 5" screens and buckets of volume, we want fast data connections and gps and some of us even want to make the odd phone call now and then, but we also all want all of this in a device that is less than 10mm thick and fits easily into a pocket. Something has to give somewhere and if it means I have to charge my phone while I sleep then so be it.
Nail. Head.
Do you people never sleep? I work night shifts and sleep during the day, when I finish my shifts I sleep for half a day then half a night. When I am asleep I tend to not use my phone as much so it goes on charge, next to the bed, switched on with all data, wifi, apps, updates and syncs still running. When I wake up, as if by magic, I have a fully charged phone. I do this with my One, did it with my S2 before that, my Desire before that and my 3GS before that. Luckily I prefer to sleep indoors so I am never too far from a power outlet and as long as I am sensible, my phone always lasts longer between charges than I do between sleeps.
It is just a fact of life with modern smartphones, we all want blistering performance, HD quality 5" screens and buckets of volume, we want fast data connections and gps and some of us even want to make the odd phone call now and then, but we also all want all of this in a device that is less than 10mm thick and fits easily into a pocket. Something has to give somewhere and if it means I have to charge my phone while I sleep then so be it.
Nail. Head.
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I agree with mcpricex.
There's very few professions I can think of (if any) that work so many hours straight, that they can't charge their device while sleeping before it dies. And if they do have a job like that where they work over 24 straight hours, they probably shouldn't or don't use their phone while they work. Therefore, the phone could be on standby or off until they have a break to check messages and what-not. I do know that my brother uses his phone all the time in his job, and he has to use it for work like timecards and it's his work communication device as well as personal. But he works a normal 8-10 hour shift like the majority of us, and just to be safe he got the Note 2 so that he can be confident it will last long enough. It doesn't affect his user experience negatively in any way.
There's very few professions I can think of (if any) that work so many hours straight, that they can't charge their device while sleeping before it dies. And if they do have a job like that where they work over 24 straight hours, they probably shouldn't or don't use their phone while they work. Therefore, the phone could be on standby or off until they have a break to check messages and what-not. I do know that my brother uses his phone all the time in his job, and he has to use it for work like timecards and it's his work communication device as well as personal. But he works a normal 8-10 hour shift like the majority of us, and just to be safe he got the Note 2 so that he can be confident it will last long enough. It doesn't affect his user experience negatively in any way.
Battery has been great to me!
I am presently at 42% remaining charge after 1 day, 10 hours, and 13 minutes.
I am presently at 42% remaining charge after 1 day, 10 hours, and 13 minutes.
I don't know what witchcraft you're working but I wish I could get my iPhone 4 to have a battery life like that. The most tasking thing I run that phone with is playing music in the car through an aux cable, and I'm usually down ~10% from a full charge by the time I get to my university. I can't remember the last time I played a game on it.
My point running on 3G was that the LTE/4g should have no impact on battery drain, especially in standby - it should be directly comparable. And yes, i need my phone on, not in airplane mode I'm afraid, I need to be able to receive calls. Yes, I can and will plug my phone in nightly, that doesn't diminish the fact it is worse than ios in standby. No it isn't me trying to big up apple, it's a fact IMO. I do understand that it's a trade off between features (some in android, none in ios 
) and that's really the choice and argument to make in convincing other ios users to join android, not just telling them its a fact of life.
Saying all that, I left my same phone in standby last night using power saving mode (which seems to have little day to day impact) and got around <0.5% drop per hour (~2% over 5.5 hours). IMO that IS the same as my iPhone and acceptable, I may leave it on power saving all the time. Not sure what the difference is but it seems drastic as its now 50% more efficient in standby mode. I hope this helps others looking for tips on power saving, rather than simply a long discussion.
As reiterated:
DS power saving set to gentle (turns data/wifi off for 30mins at a time)
Most accounts set to manually sync including blink feed
Power saver on
My next test is to see how much DS battery saver is actually having an impact, after that, turning a few more of my syncing accounts on.
Someone mentioned the Razr as not having this issue, does that mean it was more efficient or that it had a larger battery? ( which in my view aren't the same things)
) and that's really the choice and argument to make in convincing other ios users to join android, not just telling them its a fact of life. Saying all that, I left my same phone in standby last night using power saving mode (which seems to have little day to day impact) and got around <0.5% drop per hour (~2% over 5.5 hours). IMO that IS the same as my iPhone and acceptable, I may leave it on power saving all the time. Not sure what the difference is but it seems drastic as its now 50% more efficient in standby mode. I hope this helps others looking for tips on power saving, rather than simply a long discussion.
As reiterated:
DS power saving set to gentle (turns data/wifi off for 30mins at a time)
Most accounts set to manually sync including blink feed
Power saver on
My next test is to see how much DS battery saver is actually having an impact, after that, turning a few more of my syncing accounts on.
Someone mentioned the Razr as not having this issue, does that mean it was more efficient or that it had a larger battery? ( which in my view aren't the same things)
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My point running on 3G was that the LTE/4g should have no impact on battery drain, especially in standby - it should be directly comparable. And yes, i need my phone on, not in airplane mode I'm afraid, I need to be able to receive calls. Yes, I can and will plug my phone in nightly, that doesn't diminish the fact it is worse than ios in standby. No it isn't me trying to big up apple, it's a fact IMO. I do understand that it's a trade off between features (some in android, none in ios
Saying all that, I left my same phone in standby last night using power saving mode (which seems to have little day to day impact) and got around <0.5% drop per hour (~2% over 5.5 hours). IMO that IS the same as my iPhone and acceptable, I may leave it on power saving all the time. Not sure what the difference is but it seems drastic as its now 50% more efficient in standby mode. I hope this helps others looking for tips on power saving, rather than simply a long discussion.
As reiterated:
DS power saving set to gentle (turns data/wifi off for 30mins at a time)
Most accounts set to manually sync including blink feed
Power saver on
My next test is to see how much DS battery saver is actually having an impact, after that, turning a few more of my syncing accounts on.
Someone mentioned the Razr as not having this issue, does that mean it was more efficient or that it had a larger battery? ( which in my view aren't the same things)
Bigger battery
Thanks. Yeah, not the same thing, that's accepting that android is simply inefficient. Using power save mode, I don't believe that to be the truth.
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What is frustrating me more is the shift to devices without removable batteries. It's almost as if the companies are saying "Oh, your battery died, here, buy another version of this phone for another ?500". With my HTC TITAN, if the battery died... back cover off, swap battery, back cover back on. Win! With my Nokia, I can't do that. If it dies... I'm screwed...
Kevin OQuinn
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It solves the problem, though. I'm pretty sure this thread has established that, when compared to older iOS devices (not sure about the iPhone 5 honestly) Android is inefficient. 4G radios still currently use more battery than 3G only. It's just a fact of life until the tech matures a bit more. The first couple generations of 3G devices were the same way.
I keep Power Saver on all the time, with only the "CPU Power" option checked. Performance hasn't dropped at all, and I'm getting noticeably better battery life.
Sorry, I meant just picking an android phone with a bigger battery was accepting that this is the best we get. I'm not using 4g capability, would I still be affected?
But yes, I agree, with power saver on and DS battery saver, I'm getting equivalent ios battery efficiency - which is what I was really chasing. There's ends the discussion hopefully
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Its doesnt have to be just for syncing, but it still uses power when mobile data is on
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