I thought Thunderbolt had 8 GB Internal Storage
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Exactly. You buy a computer that has gigs and gigs of bloatware you can remove the crap. Here, it looks like you can't get rid of the stuff without rooting, which Verizon will probably say voids your warranty. How is this defensible?
they are going to get sued...
and unless you have some sort of solid legal background you are in no position to say "naaa broo just get over it", you don't know how the legal system works and you are in no position to comment..
...i have years of experience and this has class action written all over it
its going to happen, they are going to get sued, and the outcome is going to be 1 of two things:
A: they find some kind of software fix to remove all the bloat and make the rest of the internal memory accessible
B: they have to refund you the difference between an 8gb internal memory and a 4gb, in addition to w/e punitive damages might get attached...
and unless you have some sort of solid legal background you are in no position to say "naaa broo just get over it", you don't know how the legal system works and you are in no position to comment..
...i have years of experience and this has class action written all over it
its going to happen, they are going to get sued, and the outcome is going to be 1 of two things:
A: they find some kind of software fix to remove all the bloat and make the rest of the internal memory accessible
B: they have to refund you the difference between an 8gb internal memory and a 4gb, in addition to w/e punitive damages might get attached...
+1.
there is more then likely some fine print/disclaimer associated with this as well.
Yeah we all will get a 4GB memory card by mail...... Jk
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Do not sue, only the lawyers win and my bill will probably go up in the long run. Instead run, do not walk, to your nearest verizon store and return the phone why you are still in your return window. Problem solved.
Kevin OQuinn
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Listen guys...
Before this thread gets out of hand consider one (or more) things...
What phone that has come out on any carrier (excluding the Nexus phones) hasn't had carrier bloat in it? What phone hasn't had problems?
Is anybody outside of the 14 day return period? Didn't think so. If you don't like it and it's that big of an issue then return the phone and wait for the phone that doesn't have carrier bloat and that you can actually do whatever you want with it without voiding the warranty.
This argument about being able to do what you want with your phone has come up EVERYTIME a new Android phone is released. People say the same things you guys are saying, and nothing happens or changes. Do you want proof? Look at the memory issues with THIS phone. If something was going to change because of a lawsuit or something like that it would've already happened.
If you want to talk about a lawsuit then go to the general chat or carrier section.
If anybody wants to know more about the missing memory than this is the thread to watch. (The EVO had the same problem, and it wasn't fixed or changed)
Before this thread gets out of hand consider one (or more) things...
What phone that has come out on any carrier (excluding the Nexus phones) hasn't had carrier bloat in it? What phone hasn't had problems?
Is anybody outside of the 14 day return period? Didn't think so. If you don't like it and it's that big of an issue then return the phone and wait for the phone that doesn't have carrier bloat and that you can actually do whatever you want with it without voiding the warranty.
This argument about being able to do what you want with your phone has come up EVERYTIME a new Android phone is released. People say the same things you guys are saying, and nothing happens or changes. Do you want proof? Look at the memory issues with THIS phone. If something was going to change because of a lawsuit or something like that it would've already happened.
If you want to talk about a lawsuit then go to the general chat or carrier section.
If anybody wants to know more about the missing memory than this is the thread to watch. (The EVO had the same problem, and it wasn't fixed or changed)
I think that HTC and Verizon Wireless have some problems.
- Somebody knew or should have known that the phone didn't have 8GB of storage. Nobody corrected this information for months - and it still isn't corrected.
- The internal memory is a significant selling point of a phone. Hard to believe it would be smaller than their old phones. I wonder how many would have bought the bionic instead.
- With regard to eMMC, it's all fine and nice that a handful of tech people know what it means. But even most of Verizon's own salespeople think that memory is memory, just like the SD Card. Consumers need to be able to make a reasonable comparison before sale. While a hard drive on a PC can have 500GB and have an unknown amount available after Windows, etc. it's not the same thing as this. Each OS is different as is the bloatware. None of it is removable. It's the manufacturer's responsibility to provide meaningful information. In this instance it's not only inaccurate but the explanation is that size may vary due to formatting -- but size varies due to things the manufacturer will also preinstall too and are not removable!
They have a problem. It's not only embarrassing but it's a material misrepresentation. Hard to believe.
- Somebody knew or should have known that the phone didn't have 8GB of storage. Nobody corrected this information for months - and it still isn't corrected.
- The internal memory is a significant selling point of a phone. Hard to believe it would be smaller than their old phones. I wonder how many would have bought the bionic instead.
- With regard to eMMC, it's all fine and nice that a handful of tech people know what it means. But even most of Verizon's own salespeople think that memory is memory, just like the SD Card. Consumers need to be able to make a reasonable comparison before sale. While a hard drive on a PC can have 500GB and have an unknown amount available after Windows, etc. it's not the same thing as this. Each OS is different as is the bloatware. None of it is removable. It's the manufacturer's responsibility to provide meaningful information. In this instance it's not only inaccurate but the explanation is that size may vary due to formatting -- but size varies due to things the manufacturer will also preinstall too and are not removable!
They have a problem. It's not only embarrassing but it's a material misrepresentation. Hard to believe.
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I love my dinc more and more. This thread will never die. I need a refill on my popcorn.
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Did anyone buy accessories? Can't return them? Postage spent? Time expended setting it all up? When someone puts the people back in the position they were before, then it will all be resolved.
Nobody knows yet what's going on. I waited in a VZW store for 40 minutes. After much research I was told by the technical expert that yes, I was right it appeared to only have 2.5GB memory and what a surprised. But they would be doing an update soon that would make all 8 GB available less space lost for formatting. We all have to wait and see what VZW and HTC have to say because neither have updated their websites or made any official announcement regarding the issue.
The real issue is why nobody bothered to just be straight and provide reasonable disclosure of what people were getting. It's almost like HTC made a half baked effort with this phone and the real 4G phones are coming starting with the new Evo. Kickstand backwards, battery far too small, internal memory now unknown... love the improvement of the phone but it's like a bad disorganized joke at the moment.
Just left T-mobile with my G2 and it had the same issue that we are experiencing now.
As for where the memory could have gone, it is not possible that it is being used solely for the OS and the bloatware apps. My personal theory: some of it is being used in that fashion and the rest is being saved for future updates. If this were true, I wish HTC would just come out and say it.
And to the people that are telling others to shut up because they have 32GBs to play with on the SD card, we all know that not everything can be transfered to the SD card. In the future, when apps start getting larger and larger and other phones internal memory expands, there is a chance that this internal memory could make a difference. For those of us who cannot buy a new phone every other month, having a 'future-proof' phone is what our goal is.
As for where the memory could have gone, it is not possible that it is being used solely for the OS and the bloatware apps. My personal theory: some of it is being used in that fashion and the rest is being saved for future updates. If this were true, I wish HTC would just come out and say it.
And to the people that are telling others to shut up because they have 32GBs to play with on the SD card, we all know that not everything can be transfered to the SD card. In the future, when apps start getting larger and larger and other phones internal memory expands, there is a chance that this internal memory could make a difference. For those of us who cannot buy a new phone every other month, having a 'future-proof' phone is what our goal is.
Not all apps, like I said. And how do you know which apps will allow this in the future? Apps that run services cannot be moved to the SD card. While 2 GBs looks like a lot now, 71 MB looked like a lot on my G1 at the time. Your argument is moot.
If you have an app that uses most of that 2 gigs, you have other problems to worry about.
Who said anything about one app? I'm talking about a number of large apps. Based on Androids progress, app size has grown exponentially. We have games that are using close to a GB on the SD card. What happens when we have serious apps that can act as a service (can't be moved to SD) and alter the way Android operates, utilizing large portions of our internal memory. That is when we will need the internal space. And if it is not accessible, I want to know why.
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