I've heard rumors that HTC is claiming this as well. Where did you see this? It is shocking if this is the case since the 8GB has been reported for months.
I thought Thunderbolt had 8 GB Internal Storage
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I've heard rumors that HTC is claiming this as well. Where did you see this? It is shocking if this is the case since the 8GB has been reported for months.
can u give a link?
htc's specs we see are : Memory: 8GB emmc + 768 RAM Memory card, preinstalled 32 GB microSD?
HTC ThunderBolt™ at Verizon
No it hasn't.
At best, its unpartitioned, unused space sitting in limbo.
At worst, its false advertising, and I forsee someone suing Verizon.
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if you would not mind breaking this down for us? I myself am not a programmer.
if you would not mind breaking this down for us? I myself am not a programmer.
I know nothing, but it appears they are only allowing a max of 2.6GB for apps, etc...
I agree and disagree.
Some people are right, its 8GB but no where does it say that its user accessible. Mostly all storage media now advertises a higher number and when you take it home its actually less. The OS and all the other crap will take a good chunk of that space.
What is not acceptable is, that Verizon implies and advertises as if the 8GB were accessible by the user. It may fall under false advertising or misleading customer into buying something that turns out no to be true. Sort of like gimmick or catch.
I am pretty sure a good chunk of people when readin 8GB of internal memory assumed that most of it would be accessible not 75% gone. That's really unacceptable. Its like buying a Prius that claims 40mpg and then you drive it around and gets 10pmg. 75% less. actually 75% less of anything is a huge amount. almost like saying we will tax your income and then BAM!! 75% of your check gone, and in small letters it says "actual tax deducted may vary" haha just saying you know. not morally right to lie to customers like that.
Some people are right, its 8GB but no where does it say that its user accessible. Mostly all storage media now advertises a higher number and when you take it home its actually less. The OS and all the other crap will take a good chunk of that space.
What is not acceptable is, that Verizon implies and advertises as if the 8GB were accessible by the user. It may fall under false advertising or misleading customer into buying something that turns out no to be true. Sort of like gimmick or catch.
I am pretty sure a good chunk of people when readin 8GB of internal memory assumed that most of it would be accessible not 75% gone. That's really unacceptable. Its like buying a Prius that claims 40mpg and then you drive it around and gets 10pmg. 75% less. actually 75% less of anything is a huge amount. almost like saying we will tax your income and then BAM!! 75% of your check gone, and in small letters it says "actual tax deducted may vary" haha just saying you know. not morally right to lie to customers like that.
if you would not mind breaking this down for us? I myself am not a programmer.
Partition
tmpfs=298.6M
system=849.5M
data=2.6G
cache=423.2M
sdcard=29.7G
Now I have the stock RUU here.
Radio is like 25mb at most.
So where is the rest? Limbo?
Then where is the rest?
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Thats stock software, COMPLETE. I don't see 5gb, much less 8gb worth of software. This is listed in bytes, if you care to do the conversion.
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The thing folks are not taking into consideration, is that is it nearly impossible to repartition a device once its released. OTAs can't do that. That requires low level software, and the chance for bricking a device is quite high. The partitions cannot be resized on the fly and are not dynamic. They are static.
So what you see is what you get, period, unless rooted and heavily hacked (if the extra space even exists).
So what you see is what you get, period, unless rooted and heavily hacked (if the extra space even exists).
If people care to know more about HTC doing stuff like this, check out forums for the G2 on tmobile. They have the same problem we have here with our TB.
I had it enough of people who don't know what they are talking about.
If you don't have IT experience or degree or go to school for IT. DO NOT TALK.
(1) DO NOT SAY WHEN YOU BUY HARD DRIVE IT'S LESS then what they advertise, you are only making fun of yourself.
(2) Do not say space is used by verizon apps, OS etc etc.. that tells us you have no clue
(3) Do not say it's no big deal and this is plenty of space
If you don't have IT experience or degree or go to school for IT. DO NOT TALK.
(1) DO NOT SAY WHEN YOU BUY HARD DRIVE IT'S LESS then what they advertise, you are only making fun of yourself.
(2) Do not say space is used by verizon apps, OS etc etc.. that tells us you have no clue
(3) Do not say it's no big deal and this is plenty of space
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Then where is the rest?
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Thats stock software, COMPLETE. I don't see 5gb, much less 8gb worth of software. This is listed in bytes, if you care to do the conversion.
That is what is so interesting.
As I think back, I seem to remember some early leaked stats on the TBolt talking about 8GB of internal storage. Then, later, everyone was so happy it was leaked that HTC was going to include a 32GB SD Card. Now I'm wondering if VZW might have forced them to do this when they also found out about only having 2.4GB free. Maybe that's not what VZW thought they spec'd out. 
Interesting...
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Interesting...-Frank
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Lol at the guy getting mad, I just bought a hard drive. We all know deci vs binary measures. No IT needed to TALK.
Real and advertised hard drive sizes - why you don't get all the space you pay for. - Tech Support Forums - TechIMO.com
Real and advertised hard drive sizes - why you don't get all the space you pay for. - Tech Support Forums - TechIMO.com
it's clear that the system files and the bundles apps aren't consuming that much space and we only have around 2.5GB of available free space for apps. so it either someone lied about the internal memory specs (if that's true than both verizon and htc will have to 'splain themselves) or a partition is missing in action.
i would like to know what happened to this missing storage but i'm not sweating it. i came from the og droid which had a fraction of the internal memory that the tb has.
i would like to know what happened to this missing storage but i'm not sweating it. i came from the og droid which had a fraction of the internal memory that the tb has.
Here is a link to the HTC support forum for the thunderbolt and this user funkyb in the 9th post down says that using some type of dev tool you can see all the memory used and that we do have 8GB but it is used for data.
I understand it but at the same time I don't like it. I know 2.5GB is a lot of space but at the same time thinking I was getting 8GB for app storage instead of the small amount I was used to on the OG droid. Having 8GB of onboard storage really help to make my mind up about this phone instead of waiting on the bionic. I know they never said it had 8GB of app storage but when you see it posted as 8GB internal memory I only assumed that most of it would be available to me for storage for apps, emails, sms, mms and anything else I felt like putting on my phone.
Here is the link
Almost 70% of Internal Memory is Missing. - HTC Thunderbolt (Verizon) - Android Forums - HTC Community
If you want to read it here instead of going to HTC site here is the post.
Posted by funkyb
on 22 Mar 2011 6:53 AM
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I don't agree with the earlier poster saying it does not have 8GB. Below is the real scoop, but first I want to note that this morning I received an email from HTC confirming the below analysis is correct. An android developer took a look at this issue for me using debug tools. He queried the actual internal file system. The block below shows what he found: ******************************************************************** $ export PATH=/data/local/bin:$PATH $df /dev: 305764K total, 0K used, 305764K available (block size 4096) /system: 869884K total, 401260K used, 468624K available (block size 4096) /data: 2734896K total, 380720K used, 2354176K available (block size 4096) /cache: 434916K total, 34844K used, 400072K available (block size 4096) /devlog: 21100K total, 4132K used, 16968K available (block size 4096) /mnt/asec: 305764K total, 0K used, 305764K available (block size 4096) /app-cache: 8192K total, 504K used, 7688K available (block size 4096) /mnt/sdcard: 31154688K total, 639936K used, 30514752K available (block size 32768) /mnt/secure/asec: Permission denied /mnt/asec/com.rovio.angrybirdsseasons-1: 18688K total, 16704K used, 1984K available (block size 4096) $ Those are from mine. Looks like the 8gb is there just spread out across file systems. *********************************************************************** Now if that looks like gobbly good to you, here's how to interpret the results: Ignoring the fact that 1 GB = 1024 MB = 1,048,576 KB, ignoring the mounted SD card (/mnt/sdcard/), and using powers of 10 to keep this simple: The above adds up to about 4.7GB. This means the other 3.3 GB is on the 'access denied' branch shown above (/mnt/secure/asec/) and/or on the recovery partition (which might be the same thing as /mnt/secure/asec/). This seems perfectly reasonable to me, and is a normal way to set up the file system. Furthermore, here is an excerpt from my conversation with HTC. I've removed a lot (related to other issues, and also has personally identifiable info): ================================ ...the HTC Thunderbolt has 8 GB of internal memory. However, most of that memory is put aside for the phone's operating system, messages(text, picture, email, etc), built in applications, etc. This means that you will not see the full 8GB available.... ================================ This confirms the developer's analysis shown above, and an interesting corollary to take away from this is that storage required for messages, pictures, email, built-in-app-data, etc, DOES NOT use up any of the 2.7 GB we are seeing. The 2.7 GB we are seeing is the 'do what you want with it' storage for other items. The rest is reserved for operating system files, built-in-app-data, the recovery partition, etc... I consider this issue resolved to 100% satisfaction.
I understand it but at the same time I don't like it. I know 2.5GB is a lot of space but at the same time thinking I was getting 8GB for app storage instead of the small amount I was used to on the OG droid. Having 8GB of onboard storage really help to make my mind up about this phone instead of waiting on the bionic. I know they never said it had 8GB of app storage but when you see it posted as 8GB internal memory I only assumed that most of it would be available to me for storage for apps, emails, sms, mms and anything else I felt like putting on my phone.
Here is the link
Almost 70% of Internal Memory is Missing. - HTC Thunderbolt (Verizon) - Android Forums - HTC Community
If you want to read it here instead of going to HTC site here is the post.
Posted by funkyb
on 22 Mar 2011 6:53 AM
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* Re: Almost 70% of Internal Memory is Missing.
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I don't agree with the earlier poster saying it does not have 8GB. Below is the real scoop, but first I want to note that this morning I received an email from HTC confirming the below analysis is correct. An android developer took a look at this issue for me using debug tools. He queried the actual internal file system. The block below shows what he found: ******************************************************************** $ export PATH=/data/local/bin:$PATH $df /dev: 305764K total, 0K used, 305764K available (block size 4096) /system: 869884K total, 401260K used, 468624K available (block size 4096) /data: 2734896K total, 380720K used, 2354176K available (block size 4096) /cache: 434916K total, 34844K used, 400072K available (block size 4096) /devlog: 21100K total, 4132K used, 16968K available (block size 4096) /mnt/asec: 305764K total, 0K used, 305764K available (block size 4096) /app-cache: 8192K total, 504K used, 7688K available (block size 4096) /mnt/sdcard: 31154688K total, 639936K used, 30514752K available (block size 32768) /mnt/secure/asec: Permission denied /mnt/asec/com.rovio.angrybirdsseasons-1: 18688K total, 16704K used, 1984K available (block size 4096) $ Those are from mine. Looks like the 8gb is there just spread out across file systems. *********************************************************************** Now if that looks like gobbly good to you, here's how to interpret the results: Ignoring the fact that 1 GB = 1024 MB = 1,048,576 KB, ignoring the mounted SD card (/mnt/sdcard/), and using powers of 10 to keep this simple: The above adds up to about 4.7GB. This means the other 3.3 GB is on the 'access denied' branch shown above (/mnt/secure/asec/) and/or on the recovery partition (which might be the same thing as /mnt/secure/asec/). This seems perfectly reasonable to me, and is a normal way to set up the file system. Furthermore, here is an excerpt from my conversation with HTC. I've removed a lot (related to other issues, and also has personally identifiable info): ================================ ...the HTC Thunderbolt has 8 GB of internal memory. However, most of that memory is put aside for the phone's operating system, messages(text, picture, email, etc), built in applications, etc. This means that you will not see the full 8GB available.... ================================ This confirms the developer's analysis shown above, and an interesting corollary to take away from this is that storage required for messages, pictures, email, built-in-app-data, etc, DOES NOT use up any of the 2.7 GB we are seeing. The 2.7 GB we are seeing is the 'do what you want with it' storage for other items. The rest is reserved for operating system files, built-in-app-data, the recovery partition, etc... I consider this issue resolved to 100% satisfaction.
Wow that really stinks, my dinc shows 6.something gig free for emmc. I'll have to look through that guys analysis maybe its so the folks that let a billion txts build up and got low mem warnings on incredibles made HTC use a bigger part of the system for that stuff.
sent from my phone
sent from my phone
I can understand like 25-30% less, but 75%? That is crazy. After formatted means with no all that junk they force us to have. If you are no into games, do you need to have all that crap installed? My Dad would not like that
I don't know how many times someone has to tell this to you, but that 8 GB IS NOT USER ACCESSIBLE! The ONLY thing you can add to it is apps, and that's it. It is, for all intents and purposes, LOCKED.
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