I'm listening to the Podcast right now... and they are saying the same thing. If HTC intended to give ICS to the Thunderbolt they would have said so. Phil just said on the Podcast that HTC admitted to putting out some very bad phones... and Phi was sure the TB was part of that. Even if I still had a TB today, I'd pay the money to buy a new device right now, or very soon, off contract.... and if I really wanted a HTC phone I might think of that new Verizon HTC phone:
Unannounced HTC device emerges sporting ICS, Verizon 4G LTE... but I just wanted to buy the best device I could find, and right now I don't think it's HTC.