ifixit Scores HTC One 1/10 Battery Not User Upgradable

[OperationA7X]

Monitoring this thread with the burrito I fried, arguments are fun.

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[JHBThree]

Reported for what exactly? asking you your sources?

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Following me around in multiple threads generally being a **** towards me. It stops here or I will report you.

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[DroidXcon]

Following me around in multiple threads generally being a **** towards me. It stops here or I will report you.

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Please feel free to report me.

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[Suda]

They never said they were trying to damage the phone. They said they weren't trying NOT to damage it.

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Alrighty then..

 

[OperationA7X]

Please feel free to report me.

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I will report you too!

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[JHBThree]

Alrighty then..

It was step 6.
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[xlDeMoNiClx]

Basic knowledge about manufacturing. The more complicated it is, the more expensive. Same reason Samsung chose plastic instead of metal.

Oh, and if you don't stop following me around harassing me you'll be reported.

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Oh yes, go ahead and try and report him for posting wherever he wants in a PUBLIC forum. How about if you don't like it, don't reply. be the bigger man for once, instead of talking crap like you usually do. Get over it.

 

[Suda]

It was step 6.
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Our diligent spudgering appears to have permanently mangled the plastic bezel surrounding the aluminum case. It's possible that prying at a snail's pace while applying heat could minimize this damage, but we're not too hopeful. This phone was not made with open-ability in mind.

Is this what you're talking about? Sounds like they're not too hopeful the other method would've made much of a difference either.

I'm not even sure what we're arguing about but whatever it is let's just agree to disagree. The One is a great phone that should do well for HTC and while it appears to be pretty durable for how it's made, because of how it's made looks like it'll be near impossible to repair.

 

[OperationA7X]

Oh yes, go ahead and try and report him for posting wherever he wants in a PUBLIC forum. How about if you don't like it, don't reply. be the bigger man for once, instead of talking crap like you usually do. Get over it.

You said exactly what I wanted to say, but I just had one internet argument, and one a day is enough for me.

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[JHBThree]

Is this what you're talking about? Sounds like they're not too hopeful the other method would've made much of a difference either.

I'm not even sure what we're arguing about but whatever it is let's just agree to disagree. The One is a great phone that should do well for HTC and while it appears to be pretty durable for how it's made, because of how it's made looks like it'll be near impossible to repair.

I don't think we're arguing. Just discussing how we perceived the article. I do agree it will be difficult for a third party to repair.

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[bigrey81]

ifixit Scores HTC One 1/10 Battery Not User Upgradable
HTC One Teardown - iFixit

I have an HTC Evo LTE and I really like the aluminum shell. The aluminum shell is sturdy and lightweight. With a thin protective case, you get the best of both worlds (protected and light). The software on the HTC Evo LTE could have been done better (Sense will crash too much, poor restores in multi-tasking), but the hardware itself was really top notch and the best on the market last year. I would stack the hardware up against anything on the market last year. The HTC Evo LTE has a user upgradable battery (there are a couple of screws, but it is realistically possible to change out the battery). The new HTC One does not have this type of design. You are not going to be able to upgrade your battery one or two years later. HTC has chosen planned obsolescence like the iPhone.

All batteries lose their charge capacity over time. You are going to lose around 15-20% of the original capacity after heavy use over a year. After a year, I'd like to be able to put a new battery in and restore the phone to its original capability. If I buy a new phone after two years, I'd still like to use the old phone in an emergency. At the very least, I'd like for my kids to use it as a game phone. I rather not have to pass out external battery packs. Eventually my kids are going to break the power connector if an external battery pack is plugged in.

For a company that is struggling to survive, HTC is limiting their addressable market. I would like nothing better to continue to buy an HTC, but I'm having a hard time justifying the cost. If you are out of warranty, you are not going to have the option of repairing the HTC One at any cost that makes sense. Samsung doesn't have a very attractive phone, but they understand how to attack Apple and HTC from the point of view of basic economics.

just get some insurance on it like the bestbuy or costco they are cheaper and replace with new phone

 

[Paul627g]

If anyone has a problem, then report the post its that simple. Making public comments doesn't resolve anything.

Thanks.

 

[delta7]

ifixit Scores HTC One 1/10 Battery Not User Upgradable
HTC One Teardown - iFixit

I have an HTC Evo LTE and I really like the aluminum shell. The aluminum shell is sturdy and lightweight. With a thin protective case, you get the best of both worlds (protected and light). The software on the HTC Evo LTE could have been done better (Sense will crash too much, poor restores in multi-tasking), but the hardware itself was really top notch and the best on the market last year. I would stack the hardware up against anything on the market last year. The HTC Evo LTE has a user upgradable battery (there are a couple of screws, but it is realistically possible to change out the battery). The new HTC One does not have this type of design. You are not going to be able to upgrade your battery one or two years later. HTC has chosen planned obsolescence like the iPhone.

All batteries lose their charge capacity over time. You are going to lose around 15-20% of the original capacity after heavy use over a year. After a year, I'd like to be able to put a new battery in and restore the phone to its original capability. If I buy a new phone after two years, I'd still like to use the old phone in an emergency. At the very least, I'd like for my kids to use it as a game phone. I rather not have to pass out external battery packs. Eventually my kids are going to break the power connector if an external battery pack is plugged in.

For a company that is struggling to survive, HTC is limiting their addressable market. I would like nothing better to continue to buy an HTC, but I'm having a hard time justifying the cost. If you are out of warranty, you are not going to have the option of repairing the HTC One at any cost that makes sense. Samsung doesn't have a very attractive phone, but they understand how to attack Apple and HTC from the point of view of basic economics.

Turn off to me as well, don't care for it and I prefer the EVO LTE over the one for mostly this issue and that drop test video that was posted a while back. I don't think HTC can get away with this sealed battery nonsense that Apple can do, Apple has physical locations and alot of people learn to change iphone batteries themselves, kits are all over the net for cheap.

Even though alot of techies don't keep phones for the whole contract, being able to pop in a new battery whenever the old one dies is very important to some. I really feel HTC needs to move away from this sealed battery nonsense. I don't care for the sd cards as I feel most of them break regardless and they're slower but batteries... if you're not Apple I think you need to leave that alone.

 

[adriandb]

Unless the battery is crap I don't see this being an issue for many people. I'm coming from the world of iPhones so I haven't had a user replaceable battery since my Treo 650, but I've also never needed one since then either. As long as I can charge my phone while I'm at my desk at work I have plenty of juice at the end of the day and I've never seen the need to have the battery replaced. With people simply replacing their phones every 1-2 years does this even matter?

 

[xtn]

Basic knowledge about manufacturing. The more complicated it is, the more expensive. Same reason Samsung chose plastic instead of metal.

I have a reasonable understanding of product design and manufacturing. A sealed phone may or may not be as complex as a phone with a removable back. After all, the unit with a removable back, if everything else was exactly the same, would be more complex. Really that's only one factor of many.

How many machine operations are required? How many cuts made by how many different tools? How many join conditions where tolerances must be tighter? A removable back requires such precision in at least one more place than a sealed phone does. What finish is specced and what steps are required to achieve it? For molded parts, what materials and methods are to be used for casting? What steps are required for repeatability?

Okay those are just a small handful of questions that must be answered before anyone could claim to estimate whether one product might be cheaper to produce than another.
Making a blanket statement that one type of design feature is automatically cheaper than another is honestly a sign that you don't know as much as you think.

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[Russ Smith]

I have a reasonable understanding of product design and manufacturing. A sealed phone may or may not be as complex as a phone with a removable back. After all, the unit with a removable back, if everything else was exactly the same, would be more complex. Really that's only one factor of many.

How many machine operations are required? How many cuts made by how many different tools? How many join conditions where tolerances must be tighter? A removable back requires such precision in at least one more place than a sealed phone does. What finish is specced and what steps are required to achieve it? For molded parts, what materials and methods are to be used for casting? What steps are required for repeatability?

Okay those are just a small handful of questions that must be answered before anyone could claim to estimate whether one product might be cheaper to produce than another.
Making a blanket statement that one type of design feature is automatically cheaper than another is honestly a sign that you don't know as much as you think.

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The time it took and the method to make the HTC One looks to be a more expensive option, but lets face it it's what theyre charged for parts.

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[DroidXcon]

The time it took and the method to make the HTC One looks to be a more expensive option, but lets face it it's what theyre charged for parts.

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Yeah but what makes it look to be a more expensive option..I'm not saying it isn't or is more expensive because honestly the average person doesn't have any idea how much a device costs to design. I bet most people designing the devices don't know the overall cost of man hours.

Maybe it cost a lot to design an aluminum boost but maybe it cost Samsung just as much to make their device as light and thin as possible. And some will say its a recycled gs3 design. That's impossible as the internal electronics is completely different so the internal design had to be redone. Perhaps it cost A lot to keep the new internals in the same form factor. We don't know any factors to be making guesses on engineering and manufacturing costs, so how can we be making guesses on what is cheap or not.

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[Russ Smith]

Yeah but what makes it look to be a more expensive option..I'm not saying it isn't or is more expensive because honestly the average person doesn't have any idea how much a device costs to design. I bet most people designing the devices don't know the overall cost of man hours.

Maybe it cost a lot to design an aluminum boost but maybe it cost Samsung just as much to make their device as light and thin as possible. And some will say its a recycled gs3 design. That's impossible as the internal electronics is completely different so the internal design had to be redone. Perhaps it cost A lot to keep the new internals in the same form factor. We don't know any factors to be making guesses on engineering and manufacturing costs, so how can we be making guesses on what is cheap or not.

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Yea I agree, the s4 may look simular to the s3 but the design will be totally different. I'd love to have them both to play, but my budget only allows for one ?500 handset! :-(

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[xtn]

The time it took and the method to make the HTC One looks to be a more expensive option, but lets face it it's what theyre charged for parts.

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Oh I agree it looks costly. There just isn't any way to know exactly how costly unless we take part drawings to a manufacturer and get quotes for a few hundred thousand parts. And the same is true of Samsung's plastic parts.

My point is that just making a blanket claim that the material chosen or the requirement for removability automatically tells you the cost is ignorant.

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[fwinst]

Actually, it isn't more expensive or more difficult to design a phone with a non-removable battery. In fact it's the opposite. A non-removable battery lets the designers place the battery wherever they want. It means that the designers do not have to worry about battery access when designing the device. This also has the effect of decreasing overall costs. As for the whole "plastic vs metal" debate, It's really just a matter of preference. If retaining the removable battery design entails having a phone made of plastic, so be it. Nothing gives me more pleasure than changing my battery in front of the people waiting for a space to plug in their phone, or fumbling with an external battery. I need/want a phone that is usable when I need it, not a paperweight. I think the HTC One is a beautiful phone. However, I'm not willing to give up functionality for form.